What is the highest trade package you're willing to give up to swap Misa for Schaefer?

[Hodge]

Looks like he has settled down on the island already

Buffalo is on Long Island now?

 

[Yummyshark]

Looks like he has settled down on the island already

Sabres fans getting their hopes up right about now

 

[Star Platinum]

This might be the most absurd thing you've ever said on this board

Post in thread '2024 Preseason Camp Media Stuff'

Sep 29, 2024

I think Goodrow will surpass expectations. With the exception of last season he has been a consistent 30 point scorer since leaving the Sharks. If Warsofsky gives him consistent 3rd line minutes with a playmaker like Wennberg or Smith he should be able to pot 10 goals and 15-20 assists.

Also Sturm to LA just makes too much sense especially now that they might have some room to add cap through LTIR.

• Hodge

 

[Star Platinum]

Buffalo is on Long Island now?

It's a really long island

 

[Le Rosbeef]

I think it's time we just move on and acknowledge we're picking at 2. And that's fine.

Amen. It's better than fine - it's outstanding.
But it's hard to "wake" a person when they are pretending to sleep.

Too many Sharks bloviated about Schaefer at the expense of Misa when it was never going to happen. Just because David Pagnotta says "I wouldn't be surprised if Grier asks..." doesn't mean anything else we didn't already know. It's called due diligence and everyone does it if they are doing their jobs properly.

Right now, we have Dickinson who is arguably the verge of transforming his profile into a future top pairing LD and Michael Misa - an exceptional talent in his own right and has the potential to be a 1C in this league - waiting in the wings. Next year too - another high pick. The fact that some of you are willing to trade BOTH, plus other assets is just monumentally short-sighted asset management.

Try and look at the bigger picture. If you do, it's hard not to be excited - we all should be.

 

[Yummyshark]

Right now, we have Dickinson who is arguably the verge of transforming his profile into a future top pairing LD and Michael Misa - an exceptional talent in his own right and has the potential to be a 1C in this league - waiting in the wings. Next year too - another high pick. The fact that some of you are willing to trade BOTH, plus other assets is just monumentally short-sighted asset management.

What's with the strawman? There isn't a single person here that would trade Dickinson, that's completely coming out of the NYI forum. I'm already on the extreme "I want Schaefer" train and the most I'm willing to part with is the 2025 draft (which really only has 2 sorta-valuable picks in 30 and 33 (and since this is a weaker draft year, this is probably close to 2 mid seconds in a strong year), the rest have minimal value, and in fact this is close to the value of 1OA based on that value chart that gets passed around).

Also, people here really shouldn't be so 100% sure that GMMG is going to pick Misa. Martone is a real possibility. Everyone thought we were going to pick Buium just last year.

 

[mogambomoroo]

We are almost guaranteed excellent player, now it's just about MG to lock his guy at #2.
I really hope it's Misa. Don't overthink it.
If they choose Martone, I just hope they've done their research well enough and he becomes a clear n.1 winger of the franchise. Chicago getting Misa and thriving would be such a punch in the gut at this point.

 

[STL Shark]

Schaefer's combo of age, size and skating ability is among the best I've ever seen and I value those traits highly because they are largely objective.

Then you have the small but still significant sample of him dominating the OHL at such a young age and even more impressively being used as Team Canada's all situations #1 at a tournament that regularly chews up and spits out much older draft eligibles.

It's also just a question of who the hell is going to play on this team's top pair for the next decade if not Schaefer? I don't want to put all our eggs in the Dickinson basket and Dupont is the only upcoming prospect who might be a better bet than Schaefer. That doesn't make Schaefer a guaranteed Norris winner but he's a shot we have to take by almost any means necessary IMO.

He's 3/4 of an inch taller than Misa, who you deem to be undersized. At least be consistent when you cite size.

 

[Hodge]

He's 3/4 of an inch taller than Misa, who you deem to be undersized. At least be consistent when you cite size.

Do you know what the word combination means?

 

[Patty Ice]

Islanders board is filled with "it would take Misa + Dickinson for Schaefer" for a trade to happen

They are like a degen gambler who just won a jackpot. They think they got the invincibility star from Super Mario Bros and anything and everything is at their mercy.

 

[SJS1991]

What's with the strawman? There isn't a single person here that would trade Dickinson, that's completely coming out of the NYI forum. I'm already on the extreme "I want Schaefer" train and the most I'm willing to part with is the 2025 draft (which really only has 2 sorta-valuable picks in 30 and 33 (and since this is a weaker draft year, this is probably close to 2 mid seconds in a strong year), the rest have minimal value, and in fact this is close to the value of 1OA based on that value chart that gets passed around).

Also, people here really shouldn't be so 100% sure that GMMG is going to pick Misa. Martone is a real possibility. Everyone thought we were going to pick Buium just last year.

I mean this is like generally true, but I think it was more everyone “wanted” them to pick Buium.

I figured Grierzy would go for one of the defenseman with size, really worried about Carter in teal. I figured they would stay away from Zayne and Zeev…. Unless they were literally the last defenseman on the board.

I think the difference is between Misa and Martone… one isn’t a clear preference over the other…. Say if it was Hagens v Martone.

 

[Hodge]

You don’t actually want Schaefer if you’re not willing to give up Dickinson to get him. Schaefer is already a better player despite being over a year younger. He’s on a completely different level as a prospect.

 

[SJS1991]

You don’t actually want Schaefer if you’re not willing to give up Dickinson to get him. Schaefer is already a better player despite being over a year younger. He’s on a completely different level as a prospect.

Why? I didn’t realize Dickinson is the only way to acquire the 1OA.

 

[Hodge]

Why? I didn’t realize Dickinson is the only way to acquire the 1OA.

He may or may not be but if you’re unwilling to give him up if that’s what it would take then you’re not serious about getting Schaefer. Anything short of Celebrini and maybe Askarov should be on the table.

 

[SJS1991]

He may or may not be but if you’re unwilling to give him up if that’s what it would take then you’re not serious about getting Schaefer. Anything short of Celebrini and maybe Askarov should be on the table.

I think it’s the combination of things. It’s not that oh… Dickinson straight up for Schaefer.

It would be Dickinson plus the 2OA… which is dumb, in my opinion. But again I get it you think everything starts and ends with Schaefer. I don’t, I think Misa is right there and in 5 years might be the best player out of this draft.

I mean honestly it’s such a “meh” class Jake O’Brien at like 9OA, could be the monster of this class if he can put on weight. So it’s not worth selling out for any one of these prospects.

 

[spintops]

He may or may not be but if you’re unwilling to give him up if that’s what it would take then you’re not serious about getting Schaefer. Anything short of Celebrini and maybe Askarov should be on the table.

Again, you have "seen his skating", huge 6'2 size, and birthday and are willing to trade anything it takes for him because he is destined to be a top 20 player in the league. Even if I was a pro scout I wouldn't trust my evaluation that much. You are giving up too much for essentially a lottery ticket

 

[Hodge]

Again, you have "seen his skating", huge 6'2 size, and birthday and are willing to trade anything it takes for him because he is destined to be a top 20 player in the league. Even if I was a pro scout I wouldn't trust my evaluation that much. You are giving up too much for essentially a lottery ticket

Dickinson and 2OA are also lottery tickets…

 

[spintops]

Dickinson and 2OA are also lottery tickets…

Yes, that's why you maximize your shots. If Schaefer was a Mathews type prospect maybe it's worth it, but plenty of professionals have him in the same tier as Misa. Pretty sure you have echoed similar sentiment for trading the #11 pick the Bystedt year.

 

[SJS1991]

Dickinson and 2OA are also lottery tickets…

Yes… but the idea is Schaefer is too (regardless how much you might like him). Hell I love Dickinson, like to an unreasonable level, but understand he might not “hit”.

The idea of a lottery is increasing your odds. Typically that’s thru having more chances to win (more tickets).

To use financial framing… you want to place all your assets in a stock because you believe it’s the next Google or Apple… and it’s going to the moon. If right, you will be a multi million.

The issue… that’s also a quick way to lose everything. Because there are always “the next google”.

I think most want the approach of diversification. A lot of high level assets all in play… because generally you are going to have some level of a hit rate.

It’s the simple idea in analytics for drafting that generally you just want more bites at the apple than just one.

 

[jarr92]

Genuine question - How does Schaefer compare to Luke Hughes in their respective drafts? Both are left-handed, the same height, and both great skaters.

 

[STL Shark]

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Yes, that's why you maximize your shots. If Schaefer was a Mathews type prospect maybe it's worth it, but plenty of professionals have him in the same tier as Misa. Pretty sure you have echoed similar sentiment for trading the #11 pick the Bystedt year.

It's also just not remotely close to a 1 for 1. It's Misa + Dickinson for Schaefer. Put another way, you're trading a likely top 5 2C in the league and a #2/3 D-Man for a #1/2 D-Man (all basically the same age/contract status).

There are simply too many ways to acquire a non-generational #1/2 D-Man deeper in the draft to reach for one right now. Just look at the #1 D on most teams leaguewide and where they were drafted. Outside of the surefire HoFers in Doughty/Hedman, none of them were drafted in the top 2, nonetheless had multiple premium pieces moved to move up to get them.

We're going to be drafting in the early parts of the first round for a couple more years (plus mid 1st round a couple years after that) with plenty of chances to identify top pairing D-Men without paying a premium to move up the draft board to 1st overall this year. Had Grier not been prudent and moved up last year to get into the range to nab one of the 6 D-Men that went early, the conversation might be different. Because he was though, there just is not a reason to reach right now unless the cost is much lower than speculated.

 

[Jargon]

I’d trade some of our 1sts and 2nds, I’d trade Musty, but I’m not trading Dickinson for Schaefer. To me, having the two of them solidifies our D for the next many many years — with the year Dickinson had, I don’t think he’s THAT far off from Schaefer that it’s worth trading him and Misa.

 

[dmcccdmn]

He may or may not be but if you’re unwilling to give him up if that’s what it would take then you’re not serious about getting Schaefer. Anything short of Celebrini and maybe Askarov should be on the table.

I think Hodge is starting to sway my opinion. I am now leaning toward 2OA + Dickinson or 2OA + Smith in order to get Schaefer.



































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[themelkman]

He may or may not be but if you’re unwilling to give him up if that’s what it would take then you’re not serious about getting Schaefer. Anything short of Celebrini and maybe Askarov should be on the table.

Why stop there? Celebrini isn’t super tall we probably don’t need him

 

[SJS1991]

So it’s what I thought. the rumor is 2OA, a top prospect and a 2nd.

If the prospect isn’t Dickinson…. I’m cool with this deal.