What is the curse?
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No. It’s just a toxic fan environent and a toxic media that put unrealistic expectations on players and it usually ends up bad.
I’m not big on current management either but it’s an ongoing problem no matter who’s in.
In the past though, on paper the leafs were weak. Now they’re projected to be a top team and are in the regular season but the pressure of playoffs in Toronto has not been kind to their team. Now they have two goalies off the spare parts bin to boot.
I’m not big on current management either but it’s an ongoing problem no matter who’s in.
In the past though, on paper the leafs were weak. Now they’re projected to be a top team and are in the regular season but the pressure of playoffs in Toronto has not been kind to their team. Now they have two goalies off the spare parts bin to boot.
Osmows OReilly
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It’s not a curse as much as it’s terrible management mixed with bad luck.
Unless Ballard really did curse them idk.
Unless Ballard really did curse them idk.
The toxic media excuse only goes so far. The Habs, Rangers, and Flyers all have recent(ish) SCF appearances with media that's just as bad.
The Leafs have employed GMs that're incapable of putting winners in the locker room
The Leafs have employed GMs that're incapable of putting winners in the locker room
Mr Papagoergyo
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Dubas killed his cap its been a trainwreck from there.
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Blaming the fans and media has always been a pretty funny notion. 
It all begins and ends with the team, full stop.
It all begins and ends with the team, full stop.
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"Toooooo much Cap for Tooooo few players". Its not a curse its a team building design flaw in a Salary Cap World.
3 X $11 mil players no matter how good is too much Cap Hit % consumption to be a Cup competitive team because it relies on too few players to consistently come through.
Works great for a buying playoff spot because of high-end talent that you can win enough games to qualify for the playoffs, because it separates the haves from the have-nots.
When the playoffs begin there are no more have-nots and there is no more room for error for losing games and still moving on.
3 X $11 mil players no matter how good is too much Cap Hit % consumption to be a Cup competitive team because it relies on too few players to consistently come through.
Works great for a buying playoff spot because of high-end talent that you can win enough games to qualify for the playoffs, because it separates the haves from the have-nots.
When the playoffs begin there are no more have-nots and there is no more room for error for losing games and still moving on.
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I heard a different one many years ago.
When Tim Horton died driving back to Buffalo after a game here, Buffalo players and coaches wore black armbands the next night in their game against Atlanta. Two days later, with Vancouver playing here, the players and coaches wanted to do the same, but Ballard refused to let them, as Horton wasn't a Leaf anymore (despite his being second all-time - by four - in games as a Leaf).
When Tim Horton died driving back to Buffalo after a game here, Buffalo players and coaches wore black armbands the next night in their game against Atlanta. Two days later, with Vancouver playing here, the players and coaches wanted to do the same, but Ballard refused to let them, as Horton wasn't a Leaf anymore (despite his being second all-time - by four - in games as a Leaf).
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Not sure.
I'm trying to be very even keel when watching games now, my wife asked me why don't I just change teams and cheer teams that don't suck. I reminded her I watch Chicago too but different cycle in their timeline, they just won 3 cups in 6 years not so long ago.
She then asked when Toronto did anything recently, I said it out loud, 2004, and then I found myself saying it out loud, "damn, that's like 20 years almost since they've won a round"
I'm trying to be very even keel when watching games now, my wife asked me why don't I just change teams and cheer teams that don't suck. I reminded her I watch Chicago too but different cycle in their timeline, they just won 3 cups in 6 years not so long ago.
She then asked when Toronto did anything recently, I said it out loud, 2004, and then I found myself saying it out loud, "damn, that's like 20 years almost since they've won a round"
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I am not sure why you would hire someone who has never built an NHL team to build an NHL team but whatever
Tampa and Colorado are trashhhhh
Our fanbase is pretty crazy, but I think a lot currently is just mental on the players' part, there is a lot of pressure in this market and I am sure the players can feel the "first-round exit" chat coming every year.
I think we are just as likely to lose in the first and make it to the cup finals this year, if the team gets over the hump of the first, I think that will take a lot of pressure off them.
No but even when they had a bad, playoff bubble calibre team , the media was busy making life miserable for the players. It never changes.Wanting them to win just 1 round is unrealistic expectations???
I think now the pressure is due and justifiable but before, not really.
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Harold Ballard intentionally iced bad teams for three decades. That's not a curse, that's an asshole. Once he left the Leafs almost immediately went to two conference finals under Pat Burns, then another two under Quinn. If anything, those teams were more than the sum of their parts.
Then the cap era came and they refused to adapt and rebuild under Ferguson, Burke or Nonis despite obviously needing to. They finally concede that a rebuild is necessary after of a decade of it being obvious. Shanahan is brought in to rebuild the team and so begins the era of under-achievement.
In those 50+ years the Leafs have never had the best team in the league and were only a serious contender for maybe decade total. No curse, just spiteful and incompetent people running the team like shit, intentionally or otherwise.
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I often wonder if its gordon stuckless. The sexual abuse that went on at maple leaf gardens for decades. Cant recall the years but i think it was during the ballard era.
Edit. Looks like it was between 1969-1988.
Edit. Looks like it was between 1969-1988.
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It has to be the goalies, the refs and the league conspiring against us.Blaming the fans and media has always been a pretty funny notion.
It all begins and ends with the team, full stop.
I’m only quoting this to have another post with tinkerbell in it. Good day sir.It has to be the goalies, the refs and the league conspiring against us.
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Curses aren't real. It's been due to incompetence and lack of luck the few times a window existed. The current issues come down to an interim coach and junior GM in over their heads. Lead by someone with no accountability model.
