What is Rick Nash's legacy as a Blueshirt?

[ReggieDunlop68]

He's going to get the Carlos Beltran as a Met treatment, which is unfortunate.

Beltran left a bad taste because he was sort of an asshole.

I don't think the fans think of Nash that way. It was more of a flakiness + creeping injury issue with him.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Nash vs. Recent HOF Inductees

Nash – 437 – 358 – 805
Kariya – 402 – 587 – 989
Lindros -- 372 -- 493 – 865
St. louis – 381 – 642 -- 1033
Pronger – 157 -- 541 -- 698

The overall disadvantage is that Nash has not won a cup.

The fact that Lindros is there without a Cup gives Nash a chance (IMO, of course).

I think Lindros is there because he absolutely dominated the NHL for a few years in the mid-90's.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I think Lindros is there because he absolutely dominated the NHL for a few years in the mid-90's.

Had the Rangers won the arbitration over the Flyers, we would of had 3 cups in the 90s.

Messier + Prime Lindros+Norris Era Leetch ?!? LMFAO!

He was machine.

Also, a lot of the bad press about him was from his weird Dad/Agent. There was sort of a Brian Wilson / Beach Boys thing going on there.

 

[JT Kreider]

He's going to get the Carlos Beltran as a Met treatment, which is unfortunate.

I'm a Mets fan and think of Beltran wayyyy more highly than I do Nash

 

[Irishguy42]

I, for one, will really appreciate what Rick Nash brought to the team, despite not entirely living up to expectations. But that can, in part, be attributed to injuries.

Nash was just in the wrong place at the wrong time with Columbus. Gotta wonder what would have happened if Florida didn't trade the first overall pick and Nash ended up a Panther. Then again, I think Florida would have selected Bouwmeester first overall. So...Atlanta Thrashers Legend Rick Nash? Would a tandem of Rick Nash and Ilya Kovalchuk have saved the Thrashers? Or would he have landed in Winnipeg along with the rest of the franchise?

 

[JT Kreider]

Nash vs. Recent HOF Inductees

Nash – 437 – 358 – 805
Kariya – 402 – 587 – 989
Lindros -- 372 -- 493 – 865
St. louis – 381 – 642 -- 1033
Pronger – 157 -- 541 -- 698

The overall disadvantage is that Nash has not won a cup.

The fact that Lindros is there without a Cup gives Nash a chance (IMO, of course).

Why are Nash's stats being compared to Pronger, a defenseman? And Pronger also has a Hart Trophy. And 121 points in 173 playoff games.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Why are Nash's stats being compared to Pronger, a defenseman? And Pronger also has a Hart Trophy. And 121 points in 173 playoff games.

Google generation bullshit.

 

[NYRFAN218]

The thing with Nash's postseasons are they were all usually tied to his injuries somehow. 2013 he had dealt with numerous injuries including a pretty good wrist injury that was never really reported on. Hartnett touched on it in his article here but it was never disclosed after the season.

Hartnett: No-Show Nash And Invisible Richards Must Make Difference For Rangers In Game 6

2014 was a struggle for him obviously but he was never the same after his concussion. It's not like he was great all season and then disappeared. The entire season was a struggle for him minus a random 10 game hot stretch in January.

2015 he had a great regular season up until I believe it was Bogosian rocked him. His playoffs that year was one of his better ones, 14 points in 19 games though everyone will get into the argument of which points "counted" and what didn't.

2016 he was probably the best forward and maybe best player though the team got destroyed in 5.

2017 he was great in the Montreal series but disappeared in the Ottawa series.

I don't know. I get the criticism of his playoffs but as a whole I look at his playoff career as bad luck in terms of burying chances (it happens across small samples), lack of a supporting superstar to go along with him, and primarily injury related struggles because when you get rocked in the head on multiple occasions or play hurt you're in all likelihood going to stay to the perimeter or not play your best. I just can't get on the guy due to the injuries especially when I saw the effort was there.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Why are Nash's stats being compared to Pronger, a defenseman? And Pronger also has a Hart Trophy. And 121 points in 173 playoff games.

Because I'm comparing numbers, not awards, positions or reputations.

 

[JT Kreider]

Because I'm comparing numbers, not awards, positions or reputations.

You are trying to sugarcoat reasons for Nash to get into the HOF by only comparing numbers. And even then he is still behind the other forwards

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Beltran left a bad taste because he was sort of an *******.

I don't think the fans think of Nash that way. It was more of a flakiness + creeping injury issue with him.

I'm merely talking about being underappreciated.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I'm merely talking about being underappreciated.

Carlos Also left a bit to be desired no?

 

[JT Kreider]

The thing with Nash's postseasons are they were all usually tied to his injuries somehow. 2013 he had dealt with numerous injuries including a pretty good wrist injury that was never really reported on. Hartnett touched on it in his article here but it was never disclosed after the season.

Hartnett: No-Show Nash And Invisible Richards Must Make Difference For Rangers In Game 6

2014 was a struggle for him obviously but he was never the same after his concussion. It's not like he was great all season and then disappeared. The entire season was a struggle for him minus a random 10 game hot stretch in January.

2015 he had a great regular season up until I believe it was Bogosian rocked him. His playoffs that year was one of his better ones, 14 points in 19 games though everyone will get into the argument of which points "counted" and what didn't.

2016 he was probably the best forward and maybe best player though the team got destroyed in 5.

2017 he was great in the Montreal series but disappeared in the Ottawa series.

I don't know. I get the criticism of his playoffs but as a whole I look at his playoff career as bad luck in terms of burying chances (it happens across small samples), lack of a supporting superstar to go along with him, and primarily injury related struggles because when you get rocked in the head on multiple occasions or play hurt you're in all likelihood going to stay to the perimeter or not play your best. I just can't get on the guy due to the injuries especially when I saw the effort was there.

Here we go again with the bad luck nonsense.

Between Nash's playoff failures and the Rangers inability to draft a high end offensive talent being chalked up to bad luck...the Rangers must have a serious curse plaguing them.

Excuses, excuses.

 

[Machinehead]

He was a very different player than anyone expected so it's not fair to compare him to the expectations. I don't mean that in a bad way.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

You are trying to sugarcoat reasons for Nash to get into the HOF by only comparing numbers. And even then he is still behind the other forwards

I'm not sugarcoating anything -- personally I hope he doesn't. But based on the numbers of some of the recent inductees, I believe he will and/or has a very good chance. Yes, there are other circumstances (he didn't win a cup, depends on who the other candidates are at the time, etc.)..

 

[SML2]

If this were true [I don't believe it is], it would literally explain everything about his enigmatic switch from regular season to playoff performance.

Fans might get more concerned with nuance and obscure stats, which I'm sure Hall of Fame players don't give a **** about, but it's preposterous to think that they care about their legacy.

The whole stupid system from when we were mini mites until those who made it to the NHL let alone became hall of fame players after violence soaked 15 year NHL careers, was based on self-pride and fellow + fan admiration.

Rick Nash performed better in the playoffs then your last two points.

That's your opinion. I shared mine. I really thin the only time I saw the guy concerned was when he thought about how to tell his kid he wasn't going to be a Ranger anymore.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

He was a very different player than anyone expected so it's not fair to compare him to the expectations. I don't mean that in a bad way.

Was he though? He was a player that could do some amazing things if given the time and space to do so - these were things that were in abundance for a non-competing Columbus team during his time there. The big question with him was if he could translate his game when the moments got bigger, and we sort of got that answer. He proved to be a ferrari incapable of logging the tough mileage.

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

Nash when healthy pretty much played up to the same caliber as he did in Columbus. The reason fans got on him so early is because they knew nothing about him, Columbus being a small market, and they saw his salary and assumed he was a superstar player of Crosby or Malkin’s caliber which he isn’t. This happens every time the rangers get a new star, the fans expect Crosby, and as a result they are always disappointed.

 

[NYRFAN218]

Here we go again with the bad luck nonsense.

Between Nash's playoff failures and the Rangers inability to draft a high end offensive talent being chalked up to bad luck...the Rangers must have a serious curse plaguing them.

Excuses, excuses.

Yeah, I'm sure him having a traumatic brain injury and him playing pretty much the same way in the playoffs he did the entire year is nothing more than an excuse. That playoff run itself comprised over 1/4th of his entire playoff career.

 

[JT Kreider]

Nash when healthy pretty much played up to the same caliber as he did in Columbus. The reason fans got on him so early is because they knew nothing about him, Columbus being a small market, and they saw his salary and assumed he was a superstar player of Crosby or Malkin’s caliber which he isn’t. This happens every time the rangers get a new star, the fans expect Crosby, and as a result they are always disappointed.

I wasn't expecting Crosby. I was expecting him to be the difference maker to put our ECF team over the top as a Stanley Cup Champion.

That's what,he was brought in to do.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Nash when healthy pretty much played up to the same caliber as he did in Columbus. The reason fans got on him so early is because they knew nothing about him, Columbus being a small market, and they saw his salary and assumed he was a superstar player of Crosby or Malkin’s caliber which he isn’t. This happens every time the rangers get a new star, the fans expect Crosby, and as a result they are always disappointed.

Yeah only the true detectives among the fans knew who Rick Nash was.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

So much better than the majority of fans give him credit for. The guy came here to score goals for this team and that's exactly what he did. Rick Nash's NYR tenure saw him be an elite goal scorer during 5v5 play.

Since 2012-2013, Rick Nash is 20th in the league in goals scored. Only two people ahead of him on this list have played less games than him. Only one player on this list played less TOI/GP than Nash did. [NHL.com]

In the same time frame, only 12 players have scored more 5v5 goals than Nash has. Not a single player ahead of him has played less games in this sample, in fact, the next closest player has played 35 more games than Nash.

And finally, there are only two players who have played more than 100 games in this sample that have a higher goals per 60 during 5v5 play than Rick Nash, and they are Auston Matthews and Patrik Laine, who have each played over 200 less games than Nash has in this sample.
[Corsica.Hockey]

So you want to have beef with his playoff performance here? Fine. But if you don't think he scored enough goals as a Ranger, you are objectively wrong, or your standards are dumb.

Please keep in mind that goals per 60 is a rate metric. What I'm displaying here is efficiency and not raw production. Rick Nash is arguably the most efficient 5v5 goal scorer since 2012.

Most fans are probably too hard on this guy. His legacy with NYR should be a 'what if' legacy? What if he stayed healthy? What if he had a coach that played him more during 5v5? That's what I wonder.

You almost completely blew right past the playoff aspect of this which is funny bc almost all the criticism of Nash stems from his playoff under-performance.

Feels like you just wanted to tell people you disagree with that they're wrong/dumb and you're right/smart.

I actually am fine with nash's overall tenure as a NYR btw. He did underperform in the playoffs and his scoring totals were a bit too low in some of his years here. I don't recall him taking over many games either. Despite all this I saw plenty of good and what we gave up wasn't crazy compared to what he did for us. Either way, I think it's disingenuous to crap on someone who feels he should have been better

 

[silverfish]

Feels like you just wanted to tell people you disagree with that they're wrong/dumb and you're right/smart.

 

[Greg02]

At the end of the day, we traded for Nash because the 2012 team lacked goal scorers and wasn't able to net enough pucks in the post-season. And Nash didn't fix that.

Without condemnation of who he is as a person or a hockey player, and whether or not it was because of injuries, or lack of sample size, or anything else, I cannot view his tenure here as anything other than a major disappointment.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Then he hibernates in the advanced stats thread posting about everyone hurting his passive aggressive feelers.