What is Kane missing from being considered as the best player of his generation?

[WaW]

The eye test, which is clear as day and tells you he hasn't been as good Crosby/Ovi over their careers.

In before someone interprets that as me calling Kane a bad player.

 

[Kairi Zaide]

The eye test, which is clear as day and tells you he hasn't been as good Crosby/Ovi over their careers.

In before someone interprets that as me calling Kane a bad player.

The typical stats test leads to the same conclusion.

Same with the advanced stats test!

 

[ottawa]

Missing being one of the best players of his generation.

He's certainly one of the best...who do you have ahead of him?

 

[stepdad gaary]

He's certainly one of the best...who do you have ahead of him?

crosby, malkin, ovechkin to start. everyone else after that is up for debate as far as i am concerned. kane is one of the best players after those three but i think there are a lot of guys that have a similar claim to him. certainly an elite player

 

[Nadal On Clay]

He's certainly one of the best...who do you have ahead of him?

Crosby
Ovechkin
Malkin
Kane

In that order.

 

[Kairi Zaide]

Let's not act like the first of Sid's Conn Smythe trophies is deserved. It was a travesty that he won. Murray, Couture, Kessel all out-played him. Now that doesn't close the gap of their reular season successes but in the playoffs Kane is better imo and did it against harder competition. The East was a cakewalk for years when Crosby was in his prime while the West was a bloodbath.

Edit : wrote Pavelski instead of Kessel lol.

From a points perspective, during the Hawks glory era, more goals were scored, per game, in the playoffs against western teams than against eastern teams. By a significant margin too. (about 2.6 vs 2.8)
Now that doesn't tell which conference was tougher, obviously. But let's not forget the Hawks also iced some of the best teams in recent memory. And how good your linemates are has greater impact than how good your opponents are.
Since 07-08 (Kane's first season), in the playoffs only, Crosby has had a more positive global impact. (significantly higher points production rate and relative goal differential rate)
And I just want to conclude by saying that winning or not winning an award has absolutely no impact on how good a player has been.

 

[Fataldogg]

1a. Ovechkin
1b. Crosby

2. Malkin
3. Kane

He is right up there in my book. Clearly not the best of his generation.

If he wins a couple more Art Ross trophies or gets another Hart or two, than things can change. He still is only 30. But its slim.

 

[ottawa]

crosby, malkin, ovechkin to start. everyone else after that is up for debate as far as i am concerned. kane is one of the best players after those three but i think there are a lot of guys that have a similar claim to him. certainly an elite player

So in what world is he not one of the best...you've named 3 players so far. Go on...

 

[ottawa]

1a. Ovechkin
1b. Crosby

2. Malkin
3. Kane

He is right up there in my book. Clearly not the best of his generation.

If he wins a couple more Art Ross trophies or gets another Hart or two, than things can change. He still is only 30. But its slim.

He's one of the best then...I agree, not the best for sure.

 

[BeastoftheEast85]

He was just not as good as prime Crosby, Ovechkin, and Malkin (though more consistent than the last). Unfortunately he was born just after one of the greatest generational tier crops ever. Top American of his generation though and may have a case for all time.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

He’s the 4th best player of his generation. No shame.

 

[Dondini]

He isnt Canadian

This foresure. Also that he isn’t the best of his generation

 

[Hynh]

Top 10 players that started their careers in the cap era by points per game (minimum 100 GP)

Name	Points per game	Age of rookie season	GP	per 82
Crosby	1.29	18	915	39-67-106
McDavid	1.28	18	262	37-68-105
Malkin	1.18	20	834	38-59-97
Ovechkin	1.12	20	1056	50-42-92
P. Kane	1.04	19	876	32-53-85
Stamkos	1.02	18	718	43-40-83
Panarin	1.00	24	294	30-52-82
Kucherov	0.99	20	419	33-48-81
Gaudreau	0.99	21	366	28-53-81
Backstrom	0.98	20	868	21-60-81

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Plural]

In playoffs he is best of the 4.

No he is not.

 

[Bixby Snyder]

He isnt Canadian

Not Canadian and the worst kind of non-Canadian to boot.

 

[stepdad gaary]

So in what world is he not one of the best...you've named 3 players so far. Go on...

i called him one of the best. i said after crosby malkin ovechkin, he and a few others slot in. im so confused by what you think i said

 

[MadLuke]

It's usually either Sid or Ovi but Kane has a good case for being the best player of the generation. 3 Cups, Smythe, AR, Hart, Lindsay, Cup Winning Goal, stellar playoff resume

Also Kane is the point leader from 2014/15 -present. What exactly is he missing? Or is he the best player of his generation (and Crosby and Ovi are not)?

Really hard to create an argument, considering he is pretty much an offensive machine and 3 other players produced at an higher rate than him from is generation.

1.	Sidney Crosby	2005-06	1.286
2.	Evgeni Malkin	2006-07	1.181
3.	Alex Ovechkin	2005-06	1.119
4.	Patrick Kane	2007-08	1.035
5.	Steven Stamkos	2008-09	1.015

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

fdsfs

1.	Sidney Crosby	2005-06	1.156
2.	Evgeni Malkin	2006-07	1.044
3.	Patrick Kane	2007-08	0.969
4.	Alex Ovechkin	2005-06	0.967
5.	Ryan Getzlaf	2005-06	0.960

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Art Ross:
Crosby: 2
Malkin: 2
Kane: 1

Hart
Ov: 3
Crosby: 2
Malkin: 2
Kane : 1

Smythe
Crosby: 2
Kane: 1
OV: 1
Malkin: 1

Top 10 point finish:
Crosby: 10
Ovechkin: 8
Kane: 5
Malkin: 4

Top 3 point finish:
Crosby: 8
Ovechkin: 5
Kane: 3
Malkin: 3

Point per game finish
Top 10:
Crosby: 11
Kane: 5

Top 3:
Crosby: 9
Kane: 2

Top 1:
Crosby: 5
Kane: 1


Crosby has 3 more top 3 points finish than Kane has top 10.

Unlike a Datsyuk, Bergeron, Karlsson, Lundqvist, people with a different position/role when you are an offensive forward with a production significantly behind an other one, same playoff success (with again less productive playoff), how do you go above him ?

It is not like he has a specially good +/- or aynthing like that:
NHL Active Leaders and Records for Plus/Minus | Hockey-Reference.com

Crosby could reach top 5 active players more than twice Malkin playing on is team. Other way around for Kane, Toews on is team is top 2 among active, while Kane is not in the top 50, career +58


Using the very strange stats that is the goal winning one could indicate that you are simply trolling.

 

[Varan]

Kane isn't even the best winger of his generation, let alone the best player of his generation. Hell, I may even argue that he's not even the best RW of his generation, depending on whether you include St. Louis as in this "generation".

st. louis is like the big 3 right now, part of the old generation but playing with the new generation if that makes any sense, AND at a high level (not like crosby/ov/malkin), but still!

 

[Varan]

He was just not as good as prime Crosby, Ovechkin, and Malkin (though more consistent than the last). Unfortunately he was born just after one of the greatest generational tier crops ever. Top American of his generation though and may have a case for all time.

malkin is always hurt, not like he plays bad

 

[Varan]

1a. Ovechkin
1b. Crosby

2. Malkin
3. Kane

He is right up there in my book. Clearly not the best of his generation.

If he wins a couple more Art Ross trophies or gets another Hart or two, than things can change. He still is only 30. But its slim.

you better watch out for incomers!

 

[MXD]

He's from the same generation as Crosby, Ovie, Malkin.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Let's not act like the first of Sid's Conn Smythe trophies is deserved. It was a travesty that he won. Murray, Couture, Kessel all out-played him. Now that doesn't close the gap of their reular season successes but in the playoffs Kane is better imo and did it against harder competition. The East was a cakewalk for years when Crosby was in his prime while the West was a bloodbath.

Edit : wrote Pavelski instead of Kessel lol.

Only to a guy looking at stat totals and not the whole picture.

Kessel had 10 goals 12 assists for 22 points.
Crosby had 6 goals and 13 assists for 19 points
Murray had a great playoffs, but nobody notices the the shot depression. One game he saw 17 shots. 17.... The Pens averaged about 27 shots against per game. In order from game 1 to 6 (San Jose) the shots he saw a game>>>>>>26/22/26/24/21/19
Couture had 2 goals 4 assists in a losing effort. When was the last time an opposition player won the MVP not being the goaltender in a losing effort?

The answer is: Reggie Leach, and he had 19 goals and 24 points in 16 games to lead the field in a losing effort against Montreal and more than doubled the nearest player in goals.

Did Couture do something like that?

No.

I'd say it wasn't a travesty as people make it out to be, Crosby won it because he set up the game winning (Letang) and clinching (Hornqvist) goals for the cup. Had Crosby not done that it most certainly had gone to, Kessel.

 

[ottawa]

i called him one of the best. i said after crosby malkin ovechkin, he and a few others slot in. im so confused by what you think i said

Not at all

 

[OKOptimistic]

People tend to rate centers or bigger players like Crosby and Matthews over smaller wingers like Gaudreau and Kane. All around players who can shrug off contact or play in front of the net, and also forecheck and defend. However when Kane is in space I've never seen a more dangerous player. The whole defensive team becomes extra alert when he has the puck and usually attracts multiple defenders. And he definitely makes something happen.

 

[Voight]

I'm a. Hawks fan but I am OK with him not being acknowledged like 87 & 8. They are generational players so its really no shame to be the 3rd or 4th or 5th best of your time. Guys like Yzerman, Sakic, Jagr and Messier were overlooked in the 80s and 90s because of Lemieux and Gretz.

Kane is undoubtedly a top 10 player of this era and has an argument to be in the top 5.