What is a "distinct kicking motion" anyway?

Didn't see a thread discussing it, it didn't effect the outcome, just annoying that no one seems to understand the rule.

Officials said it was not a distinct kicking motion last night, but Toronto overturned the goal anyway.

Yet:


I have no idea, all 3 looked like they shouldn't have counted with the 3rd one being the most subtle of the kicking motions.

I think any goal off of a skate should count unless the player is lifting their skate off the ice to kick at it.
 
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I mean that is a good goal. You are allowed to redirect the puck with the skate, you just can't kick at the puck.

But the league getting calls wrong is not new.
 
That's clearly a deflection. You can deflect, you can't swing your foot how you would to kick a soccer ball. You can turn your skate, but if you swing it forward in a kicking motion it'll get called back.
 
I'd prefer the distinction to be "is the blade of the skate on the ice?"

If you can score a goal with your face, or your butt what not your foot? Obviously we don't want to see player safety become an issue with players leading blade first towards the goalie. But if you can deflect with your foot, sure allow it.
 
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To me the important word was always "propelled". The language about a distinct kicking motion is useless. There's plenty of reasons a player might move their leg in what could be described as a kicking motion, without kicking the puck.

I think the question is did the player propel the puck into the net, as in imparted energy on it toward the net, or did the puck's own momentum carry it into the net after a deflection.

I don't think the Rangers call was particulary difficult last night. It's a small movement but IMO it's clear that the puck is propelled by that little knee flex right at the point of contact. The pass didn't look hard enough to cause that deflection.

The other two clips in that tweet are murkier. Players are allowed to move their foot into position for a deflection.

The Stone call is as close as can be but I'm guessing their judgement was that he extended his leg before the puck got to his skate, by the time of contact his leg is already outstretched and the puck's own momentum carries it into the net.

I think Mangipane is a bit clearer but still close. Yes, he's kicking his foot out toward the net, but the puck is deflecting off the side of his skate so that movement wouldn't be propelling the puck. Looks like there could be some sideways movement toward the puck but it's hard to tell with that terrible replay angle.
 
IMO it's not a kick unless your foot leaves the ground (or your skate blade leaves the ice).

Anything motion directing the puck into the net where your blade doesn't leave the ice should count as a goal. The spirit of the rule is to prevent flying blades around the goalie so this should be perfectly fine.
 
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Serious question. Would that goal have impacted betting lines for the game last night? Was there a lot of action on the Rangers +3.5 or something?

Legitimately, that is the only thing that would make sense in this being overturned.
 
Serious question. Would that goal have impacted betting lines for the game last night? Was there a lot of action on the Rangers +3.5 or something?

Legitimately, that is the only thing that would make sense in this being overturned.
I think the over was quite high. 6 or 6.5 total. I'm not sure what the NYR only over/under is or if betting apps provide that.
 

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