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What has Robertson done to deserve being left out?

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Look at the stats from the last game he played:

MoneyPuck.com

Scroll down to the 'Expected Goals %' section and select "5 on 5" — Robertson is the best in the team - now compare him to Laughton, who’s at the very bottom.

Am I missing something, or is Berube not doing his job?

Laughton was at the bottom in the previous game too — FAR below everyone else in BOTH games.

I’m not sure how accurately Moneypuck calculates this stuff, and I haven’t studied either player in detail, but with such a massive difference, wouldn’t it make more sense to let Robertson play? (Unless there’s some tactical or strategic reason I’m unaware of.)
 
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Look at the stats from the last game he played:

MoneyPuck.com

Scroll down to the 'Expected Goals %' section and select "5 on 5" — Robertson is the best in the team - now compare him to Laughton, who’s at the very bottom.

Am I missing something, or is Berube not doing his job?

Laughton was at the bottom in the previous game too — FAR below everyone else in BOTH games.

I’m not sure how accurately Moneypuck calculates this stuff, and I haven’t studied either player in detail, but with such a massive difference, wouldn’t it make more sense to let Robertson play? (Unless there’s some tactical or strategic reason I’m unaware of.)

He does nothing and that's why he's left out.

He's Josh Leivo 2.0
 
These two players are not being deployed anywhere near the same and more context is needed.

Look at their defensive zone starts.

One player is being consistently asked to play tough minutes starting in his own end while the other is being sheltered.

Basically Robertson is being put in a more favorable position to post good advanced stats while Laughton not nearly as much.

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2 main reasons I can think of are curling up in fetal position & the matchup game when you don't have last change.

Really thought he'd stick but I trust Berube. Laughton sure as hell isn't coming out.
 
Zone starts makes a lot of sense for making up a portion of the difference between him and Laughton.

Most shifts are "flying" though.

Still, Robertson might be a great alternative.

Of course, you might not want to change a winning team
 
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These two players are not being deployed anywhere near the same and more context is needed.

Look at their defensive zone starts.

One player is being consistently asked to play tough minutes starting in his own end while the other is being sheltered.

Basically Robertson is being put in a more favorable position to post good advanced stats while Laughton not nearly as much.

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Also who they're actually playing with & against. Laughton's done well in the role he's been deployed; checkout some of the defensive plays he's been making & he's an effective checker. Berube actually has a checking line now that he can trust.

The way Laughtons been deployed these playoffs, you expect him to have lower expected goals percentage 5v5. Really helps alleviate the other lines.

Can't find anything for the playoffs but here's something from the regular season:
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It'd be a waste if you weren't dominating/controlling sheltered minutes.
 
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He’s under average size. That’s really it.

We have a bunch of plugs that dress game in and gave out but produce absolutely nothing.. but they are 6ft and about 200 while being useless and that’s the ticket.
 
According to the Deserve To Win O'Meter on that site, TOR deserved to win Game Five. Yes, Game Five. Does anyone buy that?

It's not like the percentages are close, either. 57.7% in favor of TOR for a game they lost 6-1 and in which they looked terrible?

Something seems off there.
 
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He’s not good enough to play in the top-6, and he doesn’t do the things required to succeed in the bottom-6.
Pretty much this.

Although, I feel like he may do well in the top 6 if surrounded by strong defensive players. Maybe he would do better in the top 6 of another team that is constructed differently.

Bottom 6 - waaaay too easy to push him off the puck. I feel bad about this cuz this is not entirely his fault. He's just a very small guy.
 
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He’s prone to lapses defensively that lead to him being out of position or causing him to take a bad penalty.

If he could play a more defensively sound game while maintaining good pace he would be in, but Berube is more comfortable with Holmbergs skating and positioning even though he will provide 0 offence.

The games are way too close for Robby to be out there right now.

His spot is there for the taking, but he’s being outperformed by Pontus.

His issues are in the mirror.
 
It's often just a chemistry and "fit" thing depending on who your opponent is - that's why you carry extra guys for the playoffs. Coach wants the pesky checking of Jarnkrok and Holmberg right now for do-or-die games. Nothing bad implied about Robertson if he's sat out.
 
I could honestly see him being effective on the top line with AM and MM. Problem for Robertson being that Knies is a stallion and isn’t losing that spot.

If Knies is unable to play I see that being the best spot for Robby, with the option of swapping him in and out for defensive zone draws.
 
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Too small, he gets swatted like a fly by big opposing dmen. He's skilled but doesn't necessarily match the style Chief wants them to play.
He'll score 30 at some point for a bottom feeding team where there's no pressure.
 
He’s under average size. That’s really it.

We have a bunch of plugs that dress game in and gave out but produce absolutely nothing.. but they are 6ft and about 200 while being useless and that’s the ticket.
Your "plugs" play heavy and strive to not have a negative plus/minus. They create an even saw-off, then Leaf elite expensive forwards who demanded and got all the money are supposed to provide that narrow but winning edge. Like last night, exactly. Capece?
 
I think Berube wanted a style of game suited to vet players. Robertson is an offensive guy who can't be trusted for 7 games. Robertson doesn't play the style suited for last night's game.
 
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Look at the stats from the last game he played:

MoneyPuck.com

Scroll down to the 'Expected Goals %' section and select "5 on 5" — Robertson is the best in the team - now compare him to Laughton, who’s at the very bottom.

Am I missing something, or is Berube not doing his job?

Laughton was at the bottom in the previous game too — FAR below everyone else in BOTH games.

I’m not sure how accurately Moneypuck calculates this stuff, and I haven’t studied either player in detail, but with such a massive difference, wouldn’t it make more sense to let Robertson play? (Unless there’s some tactical or strategic reason I’m unaware of.)
TOO SMALL .. can't control da wall .. can't fight to get pucks out of our end .. takes on too many high risk plays in his own end .. plays wrong side of da puck. bottom line not a playoff risk we can afford to play .. but an OK regular season type of guy for sure
 
I have grown some affinity for him this season. I really did not think much of him before, but this season he impressed me in some ways. He just gotta cleanup some things in his game. He seems to be willing to go into the dirty areas, he is not scared of contact, and he can shoot the puck. I still hope he can make it full time on this roster. It won't be easy, his size does work against him, but I think he can do it.
 
Too small, he gets swatted like a fly by big opposing dmen. He's skilled but doesn't necessarily match the style Chief wants them to play.
He'll score 30 at some point for a bottom feeding team where there's no pressure.
On this team he is a pinch hitter. If I'm a bottom feeder I'd offer a 2nd because he will score 20 to 25 goals but it won't be here. Size matters against Florida.
 

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