Speculation: What happens with Carey Price?

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

surely he can't be back in Montreal next season but 10.5 million is going to be hard to move, of course Montreal could retain salary but even at 5.25 million that's going to be hard to move considering Parice hasn't played at/ all this year.

Does he get double retention? that would bring im down to 2.75 millio.

do the buy him out? -can they even do that under the circumstances?

what does Montr/eal do with him and if he does move where does he go?

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[Habs Halifax]

He has to play again and he will to finish the year. I'll say 3-5 games.

Traded this summer? Likely not cause it's a difficult contract to move with a flat cap of $1M growth. Even with retention. It's possible but probability is low IMO. I think it will take a team to step up big time if they want us to trade Price this summer. The more likely possibility is the real trade talks happen for the 23 deadline where you get to see him play more games first and then the cap for 23/24+ is going to grow and you can fit that contract in more easily.

Traded with retention after he is 100% healthy again (next deadline or summer of 23)? Habs are not going to trade him with 50% retention and take meh back which is what 90% of the fans on HF boards will push onto us. It's not happening. If we are trading a healthy Price with 50% retention, pay up or shut up. We are not giving a cup contender a real chance at a cup where you get him at $5.25M. That will not be cheap in futures/youth

50% retention? I doubt it. Probably retention down to $7M-$8M range where we take a contract back. Double retention? Highly doubt it with that kind of term left. Double retention usually happens for pending UFA's at a deadline

Buy Price out? That's comical. He's either healthy or on LTIR. It's one or the other. We will not be buying him out where we won't need cap space during rebuild/youth movement years.

 

[HuGort]

surely he can't be back in Montreal next season but 10.5 million is going to be hard to move, of course Montreal could retain salary but even at 5.25 million that's going to be hard to move considering Parice hasn't played at/ all this year.

Does he get double retention? that would bring im down to 2.75 millio.

do the buy him out? -can they even do that under the circumstances?

what does Montr/eal do with him and if he does move where does he go?

Price has full no trade. It's up to him. If he's healthy be good for Habs young defense. If he's not, he's on LTIR, give Montreal extra 10 million in caproom.

I hope he stays unless Montreal can get good player back

 

[franste Perreault]

Price case is very difficult for habs administration.
For sure we don't know everything about Carey injury and problem.
He will play probably next week, let see how he will perform and at the end of the season and the habs administration and Price will have to take a difficult decision.

 

[Gaud]

I dont see a buyout at all. It's not like he just got awful; his last game was in the SC final. Either he is in the lineup and contributes or he is in LTIR, which are both positive scenarios. He should still be a top 10 goalie with his knee healed - either we work something out or he stays with us - he aint hurting us.

I don't think it would be that hard to move him; i am sure some teams are willing to upgrade their goalie. His knee is a concern and so is his salary, but I dont think his abilities are in question if his knee healed properly. Let's face it - a deal for Price will include the other team's goalie (likely #1). What remains after that is how to deal with the difference in salary between the two goalies and what it nets the habs - either by taking a contract back or retention.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Price case is very difficult for habs administration.
For sure we don't know everything about Carey injury and problem.
He will play probably next week, let see how he will perform and at the end of the season and the habs administration and Price will have to take a difficult decision.

Even if Price asks for a trade and the Habs are willing to retain to some degree, Hughes is not going to take crap back in return. Hughes is not doing it with Petry and he's not going to do it with Price.

I agree, lets see him play games first and go from there. It's fluid at this stage and if the Habs are going to retain and ask for a very solid youth/futures return, the team trading for him will want to see him play first. That probably extends to next season cause 3-5 games to finish this season is likely not enough

 

[Mrfenn92]

Let him play. Hopefully he’s alright both mentally and physically. Go from there. Retention would be needed. Or a bunch of bad contracts headed back. Double retention won’t happen, just not feasible for the third team and the costs of having them do that.

 

[Weltschmerz]

surely he can't be back in Montreal next season but 10.5 million is going to be hard to move, of course Montreal could retain salary but even at 5.25 million that's going to be hard to move considering Parice hasn't played at/ all this year.

Does he get double retention? that would bring im down to 2.75 millio.

do the buy him out? -can they even do that under the circumstances?

what does Montr/eal do with him and if he does move where does he go?

Why do you think he can't be back?

 

[lamp9post]

I dont see a buyout at all. It's not like he just got awful; his last game was in the SC final. Either he is in the lineup and contributes or he is in LTIR, which are both positive scenarios. He should still be a top 10 goalie with his knee healed - either we work something out or he stays with us - he aint hurting us.

I don't think it would be that hard to move him; i am sure some teams are willing to upgrade their goalie. His knee is a concern and so is his salary, but I dont think his abilities are in question if his knee healed properly. Let's face it - a deal for Price will include the other team's goalie (likely #1). What remains after that is how to deal with the difference in salary between the two goalies and what it nets the habs - either by taking a contract back or retention.

Given that the Habs are rebuilding that $10.5M cap hit won't be a problem next season, but at some point you need clarity on the situation. You can't have that much cap space earmarked for a player who maybe plays, maybe doesn't. If he is LTIRetired, then that is another story, but if you're going into every season hoping he plays then its difficult to plan for contingencies. How much do you invest in your 2nd and 3rd string goalie when your starter makes $10.5M and is a complete question mark?

 

[Djp]

surely he can't be back in Montreal next season but 10.5 million is going to be hard to move, of course Montreal could retain salary but even at 5.25 million that's going to be hard to move considering Parice hasn't played at/ all this year.

Does he get double retention? that would bring im down to 2.75 millio.

do the buy him out? -can they even do that under the circumstances?

what does Montr/eal do with him and if he does move where does he go?

you can’t buy out an injured player. A team coukd argue the injury is not hockey related cresting a situation of not paying the player.

no 3 rd team is going to retain a contract on thst length. If he had two years left, a team might.

All GMs in the league have a plan to be a competitive playoff team by 2026 where Price still has 1 yr left….but his cap hit will cause issues to that team roster planning.

even if healthy, the contract has a lot of bonus money making it buyout proof.

even if healthy, given his sge and term…no team will take the risk given 4 full years remaining.

 

[Ligue]

One thing that I think a lot of people overlook is the fact that a Price trade with significant retention skews the value. One team gives more value than the other receives because its very unlikely Price is not LTIRetired in the last two years of his contract but the Habs would still have dead cap at that point.

 

[FerrisRox]

surely he can't be back in Montreal next season but 10.5 million is going to be hard to move, of course Montreal could retain salary but even at 5.25 million that's going to be hard to move considering Parice hasn't played at/ all this year.

Does he get double retention? that would bring im down to 2.75 millio.

do the buy him out? -can they even do that under the circumstances?

what does Montr/eal do with him and if he does move where does he go?

Why can't he be back in Montreal next year?

 

[Habs Halifax]

One thing that I think a lot of people overlook is the fact that a Price trade with significant retention skews the value. One team gives more value than the other receives because its very unlikely Price is not LTIRetired in the last two years of his contract but the Habs would still have dead cap at that point.

Price being on LTIR in the last two years is not very likely. Possible but you can't put an accurate probability on that.

This time off is a good thing for his career IMO. If he can get past the discomfort in his knee, his ability to be a star goalie is not going to fade away. Price on a contender with a decent back-up could be a very good situation for Price and the team.

The Habs are not desperate to move him with retention for meh returns. Some fans need to get that out of their heads. Price is either playing healthy and effective or he is on LTIR. We will get a good sample size (3-5 games) to finish the year and he's going to play next year. The time to think about a Price trade is next deadline and past that point. He's got gas left but the discomfort in his knee needs to be put in the past.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

why cant Price be back in Montreal and Carey at 50% retention would 100% have teams interested only problem is that he has a NMC

 

[danyhabsfan]

surely he can't be back in Montreal next season but 10.5 million is going to be hard to move, of course Montreal could retain salary but even at 5.25 million that's going to be hard to move considering Parice hasn't played at/ all this year.

Does he get double retention? that would bring im down to 2.75 millio.

do the buy him out? -can they even do that under the circumstances?

what does Montr/eal do with him and if he does move where does he go?

We can't buy him out.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

surely he can't be back in Montreal next season

why not?

 

[John Mandalorian]

The offers now will be underwhelming. So Montreal will want to go into next year with him on the roster to build his trade value. They'll hope to trade him at the deadline.

If he struggles, they'll keep him around during the rebuild since the offers won't be what they'd like.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I don't get why he can't be back in Montreal.

If he wants to go elsewhere? Montreal would probably try to accommodate him, but they're not going to move him just for the sake of it or to do him a favour. It'll have to make sense for them too.

He's not going to get bought out. Even if his contract wasn't buyout proof, its a monumentally stupid idea.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Would love the Leafs to get him if we got him @ 50%. Would be willing to part with our top prospect, our first, maybe a roster player who is not elite. Assuming we are confident he is not retiring and can play the game at a high level again.

Fleury, Lunqvist, etc have been goalies who were elite their entire careers and stayed good until nearly the end. If Price's body can hold up, he has a few playoff runs left in him.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Price being on LTIR in the last two years is not very likely. Possible but you can't put an accurate probability on that.

This time off is a good thing for his career IMO. If he can get past the discomfort in his knee, his ability to be a star goalie is not going to fade away. Price on a contender with a decent back-up could be a very good situation for Price and the team.

The Habs are not desperate to move him with retention for meh returns. Some fans need to get that out of their heads. Price is either playing healthy and effective or he is on LTIR. We will get a good sample size (3-5 games) to finish the year and he's going to play next year. The time to think about a Price trade is next deadline and past that point. He's got gas left but the discomfort in his knee needs to be put in the past.

The best return of any goalie in the last few years was a 1st + Timmins for Kuemper, and that's about where I'd expect a healthy Price to return next TDL/offseason. Is that going to be enough to get it done, or is Montreal going to demand fair market for the retention as well? Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't expect many GMs to be willing to pay extra because Montreal made mistakes when signing the contract in the first place.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The best return of any goalie in the last few years was a 1st + Timmins for Kuemper, and that's about where I'd expect a healthy Price to return next TDL/offseason. Is that going to be enough to get it done, or is Montreal going to demand fair market for the retention as well? Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't expect many GMs to be willing to pay extra because Montreal made mistakes when signing the contract in the first place.

Price is a special goalie it requires a special trade discussion. But first, he needs to play and put his current health issues in the past.

Habs are not doing a Roy over again where we take meh back and give the other team an edge for a cup. If the Habs are retaining (they should and have to), the trade will be complicated to pull off where both sides are content.

Definitely not easy but there will be teams interested in a healthy Price. I think this picks up more steam at the 23 deadline where the cap is going to be higher in 23/24+ seasons.

 

[Habby4Life]

Price is a special goalie it requires a special trade discussion. But first, he needs to play and put his current health issues in the past.

Habs are not doing a Roy over again where we take meh back and give the other team an edge for a cup. If the Habs are retaining (they should and have to), the trade will be complicated to pull off where both sides are content.

Definitely not easy but there will be teams interested in a healthy Price. I think this picks up more steam at the 23 deadline where the cap is going to be higher in 23/24+ seasons.

Price was a special goalie, he isn't no more, especially with that contract, his age, and his continual health issues.

 

[Qwijibo]

A leafs fan trying to stir up crap. Go figure. There’s no reason he can’t continue in Montréal. To suggest otherwise is just trolling.

 

[Habs Halifax]

A leafs fan trying to stir up crap. Go figure. There’s no reason he can’t continue in Montréal. To suggest otherwise is just trolling.

I feel like creating a thread that says...

"What happens if the Leafs loose in the 1st round again"
* Buy out Muzzin and Mrazek?
* Trade Marner and Tavares and retain 50%?
* Fire BS/KD/SK?

 

[Qwijibo]

I feel like creating a thread that says...

"What happens if the Leafs loose in the 1st round again"
* Buy out Muzzin and Mrazek?
* Trade Marner and Tavares and retain 50%?
* Fire BS/KD/SK?

Surely Tavares can’t be back in Toronto next year….
Double retention?