This is the exact opposite of what you'd hear around Halifax. It's definitely possible that he's matured through the mental health issues etc later on in his career.. but the character issues were very much there through his junior career and early NHL career, including his first few years with the Habs.
Yeah, from what I've heard (directly in one case) of people involved with the Mooseheads at the time his issues aren't really shocking. Nothing that's ever been explicitly reported by the media but reading between the lines it seems likely.
I hate hearing bullshit like "lazy", "poor work ethic" and "weak mentally" getting trotted out.
Drouin worked hard enough on his profession to be drafted third overall, and he worked hard enough on his profession to do things like post 14 points in 17 playoff games.
We can say that he had character issues here and there for "not reporting" (i.e. trying to take care of his own future) or for whatever off ice indiscretions he's committed where we can go "oh he's a real jerk that guy."
But nobody--nobody--chooses to have chronic health issues.
To review recent epidemiological research on age‐of‐onset (AOO) of mental disorders, focusing on the WHO World Mental Health (WMH) surveys. Median and inter‐quartile range (IQR; 25th–75th percentiles) of AOO is much earlier for phobias (7–14, IQR: ...
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For people with neurological health disorders, 34.6% emerge by age 14, 48.4% by age 18, and 62.5% by age 25.
Neurological health disorders like severe clinical depression can occur for people who are otherwise living a wonderful life. How is that? Well, to put it bluntly, their brains f***ing suck at neurochemical regulation due to shit genetic luck.
It's possible that Drouin "cracked under the pressure of Montreal" despite doing well in his on-ice circumstances for the first two years. Maybe he just needed a better sports psychologist.
Or, if it's been as reported, he's missed significant amounts of playing time on two fronts during a career that favours youth: his visible physical injuries, and his neurological disorder that people shit on all the time because they can't see it.
Your brain is an organ. You don't laugh at people with Crohn's Disease for their gastrointestinal tract or people with Diabetes for their kidneys, but apparently it's still okay to deride people for parts of their brain letting them down.
I remember watching him play for the Mooseheads when I lived in Halifax. Honestly think I liked him back then more than Mac, he was just so fun to watch.
To experience cognitive impairment is literally your brain processing information at a slower speed than it should be while increasing the odds of processing it incorrectly. Extrapolate that issue to elite sports.
We proposed that an athlete’s depressive symptoms may be different from the general population in etiology if considered from the context of a depressive disorder. By shifting focus from a limited notion of symptoms onto a comprehensive model of ...
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A study that points to how elite athletes can be prone to depression because of how much physical effort they put in to their profession.
Do I need to find a study that details how depression can impact motivation and self-care, both of which are fundamental to consistent performance?
I think it's pretty evident what happened. He was a guy where a lot of his "highlights" were super flashy. He does still pull off some of those plays at the NHL level from time to time, but they're just not really the sort of thing that makes for sustainable success. At the Junior level, he was electric. He was able to dipsy doodle around at will. NHL defenders are so susceptible to getting completely danced around. Combine that with some personal issues that he's obviously had to deal with, and a bunch of injuries...and you've got the gist of the story.
I still think he can be a productive NHL player, but it really comes down to whether his heart is in it or not. If he's gonna continue to plug away at it...it seems like he'd be well served in finding a much less intensely scrutinized market.
Out of all the players who did not pan out, I find JD to be the hardest to swallow... 0g, 17a in 32 games this year.. Hasn't played a full year since 18/19. What exactly happened to this kid?
When I saw this goal with Tampa, I was convinced he'd be a superstar:
All flash............no substance.
The kid thought he could play the same hockey at the pro level, he did in junior.
Somewhere, Steve Yzerman is still laughing at Marc Bergevin.
I remember watching him play for the Mooseheads when I lived in Halifax. Honestly think I liked him back then more than Mac, he was just so fun to watch.
I would suggest people go through the list of promising young players throughout Bergevin's time in Montreal before defaulting to just blaming Drouin. Development is a two-way street, if a player fails to hit their ceiling it's not necessarily 100% on the player.
Here's a list of former Habs players you could ask exactly the same thing for:
Alex Galchenyuk - Scored 30 goals in his second year and gradually was whittled down to being a 4th liner before being traded. Is now eeking it out in Colorado's AHL affiliate.
Vitor Mete - Was Shea Weber's primary defense partner after being a 4th round draft pick. It's very unusual for defensemen to immediately get significant playing time when drafted in the 4th round, much less get 1st pairing minutes. Was given up on waivers in three seasons.
Jesperi Kotkaniemi - Solid but unspectactular rookie season. Has never reached the same numbers since - until he got to Carolina which looks like he'll hit a career high this year.
Ryan Poehling - Hat trick in his first game and now is in and out of Pittsburgh's lineup.
Arturri Lehokonen - Decent player for the Habs, completely different player for the Avs. He's hit a career high this year already with them despite only playing 50 games.
Mikhail Sergachev - Never touched the Habs development pipeline but you gotta admit that it's kinda fishy that the most successful draft pick of the Bergevin era was a guy who Montreal never developed. Caufield btw is the second most and look what almost happened to him last season.
I hate hearing bullshit like "lazy", "poor work ethic" and "weak mentally" getting trotted out.
Drouin worked hard enough on his profession to be drafted third overall, and he worked hard enough on his profession to do things like post 14 points in 17 playoff games.
We can say that he had character issues here and there for "not reporting" (i.e. trying to take care of his own future) or for whatever off ice indiscretions he's committed where we can go "oh he's a real jerk that guy."
But nobody--nobody--chooses to have chronic health issues.
To review recent epidemiological research on age‐of‐onset (AOO) of mental disorders, focusing on the WHO World Mental Health (WMH) surveys. Median and inter‐quartile range (IQR; 25th–75th percentiles) of AOO is much earlier for phobias (7–14, IQR: ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
For people with neurological health disorders, 34.6% emerge by age 14, 48.4% by age 18, and 62.5% by age 25.
Neurological health disorders like severe clinical depression can occur for people who are otherwise living a wonderful life. How is that? Well, to put it bluntly, their brains f***ing suck at neurochemical regulation due to shit genetic luck.
It's possible that Drouin "cracked under the pressure of Montreal" despite doing well in his on-ice circumstances for the first two years. Maybe he just needed a better sports psychologist.
Or, if it's been as reported, he's missed significant amounts of playing time on two fronts during a career that favours youth: his visible physical injuries, and his neurological disorder that people shit on all the time because they can't see it.
Your brain is an organ. You don't laugh at people with Crohn's Disease for their gastrointestinal tract or people with Diabetes for their kidneys, but apparently it's still okay to deride people for parts of their brain letting them down.
Concussions do not help. We know that there are relationships between concussions and depressions. It would also be logical that if one is prone to depressions through genetics the treshold to developing it from concussions would be less.
Out of all the players who did not pan out, I find JD to be the hardest to swallow... 0g, 17a in 32 games this year.. Hasn't played a full year since 18/19. What exactly happened to this kid?
When I saw this goal with Tampa, I was convinced he'd be a superstar:
He still plays like that, thats whats wrong. This doesn't work in the NHL. It worked once, it worked another time in 2019. Thats it, its his play style. He's a pond hockey player.
He's also lazy when he doesn't have the puck or an opportunity to score, he doesn't have a brain half the time, he doesn't have a shot, he forces passes that shouldn't be forced.
Basically he's me when I play pond but he's trying to do it against the best in the world because it worked for him at every other level. Poor adaptation on his part.
I hate hearing bullshit like "lazy", "poor work ethic" and "weak mentally" getting trotted out.
Drouin worked hard enough on his profession to be drafted third overall, and he worked hard enough on his profession to do things like post 14 points in 17 playoff games.
We can say that he had character issues here and there for "not reporting" (i.e. trying to take care of his own future) or for whatever off ice indiscretions he's committed where we can go "oh he's a real jerk that guy."
But nobody--nobody--chooses to have chronic health issues.
To review recent epidemiological research on age‐of‐onset (AOO) of mental disorders, focusing on the WHO World Mental Health (WMH) surveys. Median and inter‐quartile range (IQR; 25th–75th percentiles) of AOO is much earlier for phobias (7–14, IQR: ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
For people with neurological health disorders, 34.6% emerge by age 14, 48.4% by age 18, and 62.5% by age 25.
Neurological health disorders like severe clinical depression can occur for people who are otherwise living a wonderful life. How is that? Well, to put it bluntly, their brains f***ing suck at neurochemical regulation due to shit genetic luck.
It's possible that Drouin "cracked under the pressure of Montreal" despite doing well in his on-ice circumstances for the first two years. Maybe he just needed a better sports psychologist.
Or, if it's been as reported, he's missed significant amounts of playing time on two fronts during a career that favours youth: his visible physical injuries, and his neurological disorder that people shit on all the time because they can't see it.
Your brain is an organ. You don't laugh at people with Crohn's Disease for their gastrointestinal tract or people with Diabetes for their kidneys, but apparently it's still okay to deride people for parts of their brain letting them down.
Eh, people can be lazy. Drouin is a hockey junkie, by all accounts. He clearly worked hard to get at the level of skill he is, he still does, well documented by the hype machine that is the Habs. With that said, some people just don't have it to give it their all in the moments that are needed, whether thats when youre playing a hockey game or during your exam period. We can talk about the environemental factors that lead to this if you want, but it doesn't change the fact that he is what he is, and what he is, is uber-talented hockey player that lacks effort in-game and somehow never adapted his game to the pro game. He was like this way before the injuries and the mental disorder.
Your brain is in fact an organ and its a bit lame to shit on someone for not having the mental make-up to be a true "winner", but at the end of the day, there is no other way to express this -- He does lack effort in game.
I'd take him back in a second in Tampa in a supporting role with lots of power play time. He probably has underlying issues but Montreal straight up breaks people. Like all the time.
He can get a mental reset and a chance to win a championship
David St-Louis currently of Eprinkside made a video breaking down his game years ago that I found very convincing at the time.
I wish there was more in depth hockey analysis on YouTube, there's a tonne of really surface level creators but I wish we had more guy like Brett Kollman (NFL) who do deep dives into what's working and what isn't.
Out of all the players who did not pan out, I find JD to be the hardest to swallow... 0g, 17a in 32 games this year.. Hasn't played a full year since 18/19. What exactly happened to this kid?
When I saw this goal with Tampa, I was convinced he'd be a superstar:
At first, it was just that Drouin was in a bad spot. They tried push him right into the 1C slot even in montreal though he was a winger.
Despite that, you could see the alot of talent oozing from him, so there was always hope going forward.
However, the last few years have been largely injury riddled, and he's simply unable to do the things he used to. It all started when ovechkin ran him over a few years ago, which broke his wrist, and now he's had multiple surgeries on it.
I noticed he rarely shoots ever since that wrist issue started. He only prefers to shoot if he has traffic at the net, or if he's in tight, but his shot is a complete non factor now. He can't elevate the puck in tight the way he used to either.
Right now, I think he's just trying to evolve his game in a way that will play to his limitations without constantly getting hurt. He hasn't found that formula, and I'm not optimistic that he ever will.
That's what a bunch of people who didn't know any better said about the other trainwreck, Galchenyuk.
I'll never understand why people on HF tend to have a problem with holding players accountable for their own f***ing problems. It's always because of linemates, city, coach, etc...
It's always fun to pile on Montréal. I get it. Especially the hot take, troll crowd.
Drouin had issues way before he got to Montreal. If you're friends With Yzerman or his coaches on the mooseheads, maybe you'll have answers.
Consistent drive and desire have always been issues.
That being said, he was miscast from the beginning by bergevin in his desperation to find a C.
It's also clear he's had anxiety and insomnia issues his entire career and mix it all together and it becomes an untenable situation.
Let's not forget his wrist is absolutely shot, so injuries have played a key role.
He was always allergic to physical play but now it's worse because of the injuries he's sustained.
Maybe he gets a PTO and finds his game in an NHL market out of the spotlight; Maybe he goes to Europe.
Guys like him exist in every workplace. Every person on here either knows a person who just isn't interested in achieving anything even though they have a ton of potential, or is that person. Athletes are no different.
We want to believe that because a guy has talent at a young age, shows some desire, gets drafted and starts an NHL career, that he is going to be all in from then on. It just doesn't work that way.
That's why we like the Tage Thompson types so much. Guys who were not necessarily heralded at the draft, but whose desire takes them further than we thought possible. Unfortunately the reverse is also true. Drouin, I believe, fits into that category. There are actually far more players like him than Thompson when you think about it.
This is the exact opposite of what you'd hear around Halifax. It's definitely possible that he's matured through the mental health issues etc later on in his career.. but the character issues were very much there through his junior career and early NHL career, including his first few years with the Habs.
Yeah, he was a teenager at the time. Seems like he was a sulky bastard who got better. This dude is/was apparently so obsessed with hockey that he'd ask Yzerman why he did such and such a move. Not as a criticism, just genuinely trying to analyze/understand the game. Last we heard about his character is that he was so hard on himself and so obsessed with hockey to the point that he was being compared to the character from The Queen's Gambit (and not in a good way, so it's not like they were fawning. It was presented as an unhealthy obsession with hockey and putting a lot of pressure on himself) Please point out to his character issues 'in his first few years with the Habs', though.
The player itself sucks and he's pretty much a non-entity when it comes to any sort of goal-scoring, but there's no need make up shit about his Habs career.
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