What do you think about the random factor in hockey?

[Machinehead]

I didn't conduct the study why the randomness in soccer leads to its popularity. There is more luck in soccer simply from having less goals scored than basically any other sport. Will lead to more luck playing a part every time. Whether it is why it is the most popular game in the world and whether it is from luck was not my point. Soccer for me has too much luck and the NFL too little on a 1 game basis.

It can't be as random as you think it is. Some leagues around the world literally have one team that can win.

 

[Randyne]

Top 2 RS teams were in the SC final 15 times out of 38 in the same year. 10 times in the next year. 7 times in the 2nd year.

So NHL is not that random.

 

[333359]

It can't be as random as you think it is. Some leagues around the world literally have one team that can win.

Again that's not the point. It's more random than baseball, cricket or any other sport. I'm not the one that did the study nor am I talking about "some leagues". It's not a critique of soccer. A white balloon being bounced around during games that quite often end 0-0 creates the climate for a random result more often than hockey, basketball or even tiddlywinks.

 

[Machinehead]

Again that's not the point. It's more random than baseball, cricket or any other sport. I'm not the one that did the study nor am I talking about "some leagues". It's not a critique of soccer. A white balloon being bounced around during games that quite often end 0-0 creates the climate for a random result more often than hockey, basketball or even tiddlywinks.

The study is wrong.

Soccer is by far the least random major sport.

Take a look at any league.

There's like three relevant teams in the world.

 

[Machinehead]

If there's studies that say soccer is random, I'd like to know what standards they used to define that. If you've watched soccer for like 2 seconds ever, you know that's wrong.

On average, about 22 of the 32 teams that qualify for the Champions League qualified the previous year. About 8 of the teams that qualified for the last 16 of Champions League qualified the previous year, and some years that's as high as 12.

Out of the top 16 clubs in the world at any given time, roughly 8-10 of them are the same teams from last year, and this is a sport with hundreds of professional clubs.

The top six teams in Premier League (and this I don't even agree with -- there is no top-6, there's Manchester City. It's a top-1.) average 75 points a year in 38 games.

 

[Lshap]

"Frankly, if you don't think a playoff series has enough data to determine the best team, then the Olympics, the World Series, the Super Bowl, and every other sporting championship has no value. All those winners were best when it counted. That makes them the best."

Just because something doesn't definitively determine who the best is, doesn't make it not valuable.

"Human performance is very selective, which is why we see spikes during competitions, playoffs, and championship games."

You'll see spikes on a random tuesday. People just view hot streaks in the regular season as just that, hot streaks, and hot streaks in the playoffs as "clutch".


Any team can beat any team in a hockey game, or a 7 game series. You just will retroactively view the team who won as clutch, and the other team as not clutch. Maybe this made sense in the 70s when there was little parity, but the gaps between teams aren't that big in the NHL, meaning luck plays a huge factor.

If you think otherwise, I'd recommend placing large amounts of money on various bets come playoff time.

Since luck isn't a factor, surely you can just get it right every round and make a ton of money. I mean the only other explanation why you could get something wrong, since you don't believe in luck impacting a playoff series, is that you don't know enough about hockey.

Or heck, just pick the cup winner every year. All you have to do is pick the best team. Make a ton of money. Easy peasy

You've doubled down on the claim that a series is won by luck.

Okay, prove it.

For a winning team to be lucky, lucky things must happen. So point to the specific lucky goals and lucky saves that were responsible for a team winning a series. Not goals scored & saved the usual way through skill, smarts, reflexes, or strength, because if a team wins through skill, smarts, reflexes, and strength, they're quite obviously the best team.

 

[Reindl87]

No Team sport comes Close in randomness levels. That's why single elemination games should have no place in hockey. There's a reason the olympics and worlds used to be round robin formats only.

 

[Golden_Jet]

"Frankly, if you don't think a playoff series has enough data to determine the best team, then the Olympics, the World Series, the Super Bowl, and every other sporting championship has no value. All those winners were best when it counted. That makes them the best."

Just because something doesn't definitively determine who the best is, doesn't make it not valuable.

"Human performance is very selective, which is why we see spikes during competitions, playoffs, and championship games."

You'll see spikes on a random tuesday. People just view hot streaks in the regular season as just that, hot streaks, and hot streaks in the playoffs as "clutch".


Any team can beat any team in a hockey game, or a 7 game series. You just will retroactively view the team who won as clutch, and the other team as not clutch. Maybe this made sense in the 70s when there was little parity, but the gaps between teams aren't that big in the NHL, meaning luck plays a huge factor.

If you think otherwise, I'd recommend placing large amounts of money on various bets come playoff time.

Since luck isn't a factor, surely you can just get it right every round and make a ton of money. I mean the only other explanation why you could get something wrong, since you don't believe in luck impacting a playoff series, is that you don't know enough about hockey.

Or heck, just pick the cup winner every year. All you have to do is pick the best team. Make a ton of money. Easy peasy

Your posts are very hard to read, seems like your saying something, when in actual fact, it’s a copy and paste from the other poster, either put that in italics, so it looks different ( don’t use bold).
Most people hit the return button , in the original quote, then type the response, then repeat for all the times you want to quote something else. This breaks it up into boxes.

The way all the posts read currently, it’s sounds like your always contradicting yourself.
They all just become unreadable and make no sense, and look contradictory.

 

[dgibb10]

Your posts are very hard to read, seems like your saying something, when in actual fact, it’s a copy and paste from the other poster, either put that in italics, so it looks different ( don’t use bold).
Most people hit the return button , in the original quote, then type the response, then repeat for all the times you want to quote something else. This breaks it up into boxes.

The way all the posts read currently, it’s sounds like your always contradicting yourself.
They all just become unreadable and make no sense, and look contradictory.

I don't know if you know this, but " " indicates a quote

 

[Golden_Jet]

I don't know if you know this, but " " indicates a quote

It’s still very hard to read, why wouldn’t you do quote like the rest. So it actually becomes readable. Just looks like you constantly contradict yourself like it is , not like that it’s hard to do

 

[dgibb10]

It’s still very hard to read, why wouldn’t you do quote like the rest. So it actually becomes readable. Just looks like you constantly contradict yourself like it is , not like that it’s hard to do

If you can't identify "" as a quote, that is on you, not me.

They are on their own separate lines with quotation marks

 

[PlayMakers]

The rules change from regular season to playoffs. That makes a huge difference. What other sport has a different set of rules for their playoffs?!?

Goaltending is better. You're not seeing backups anymore. What if a baseball team that was average had the 1 great pitcher and they were able to run that pitcher out for every game of every series.

It's a physical sport and health plays a huge factor. Bruins best team ever had injuries to both centers and their starting goalie in the last week of the regular season.

Lat trade deadline lets teams really improve for the last 20 games. A team that was middling for the first 65 games can be the best team in the league for the last 15.

 

[Golden_Jet]

If you can't identify "" as a quote, that is on you, not me.

See how much easier that is to read with boxes around it.

They are on their own separate lines with quotation marks

plus its actually quicker to do. As opposed to cutting and pasting. lol.

 

[FanCos]

The study is wrong.

Soccer is by far the least random major sport.

Take a look at any league.

There's like three relevant teams in the world.

You are both right, imo. You're speaking of different things, a single match outcome vs the league winner.

If you are looking for a single trial, soccer is more random, as the goal scoring intensity is lower - however, as the sampling is organized (and championships are won) through the course of the season in a round-robin way, the effect of a single sample subsides and gives way to the expected results.

Now again, what comes to single elimination games, anything weird can happen, you don't have to but look at the FA cup for that.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

It's not random lol , pucks on net , go hard to the net , get rewarded , doesn't work? Try harder