What are YOUR projections and comparables for Red Wings prospects?

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

When looking at the Wings prospect pool, what do you as a fan think our prospects could become?
Detroit Red Wings - In the System - Elite Prospects

Nate Danielson
Low end: Valtteri Filppula type 3C. Not super physical but plays hard and helps shut down opposition in his end.
High end: Dylan Larkin that knows how to play defense.
Expected outcome: Somewhere in between the two. 20g, 50p, strong two-way play that make his wingers lives easier.
Why I think this: When I've watched Danielson I've seen him sacrifice offense to make the safe team-first play 10 times out of 10. Nate has the ability to do more offensively than he did in Brandon where he was Mr. everything to that team, and we witnessed this in Portland where he was scoring at a 100 point pace after his trade. In Grand Rapids he was tasked with being a top 6 center from day one and proved again to be a responsible, mature two-way player. The numbers he put up were pretty good for a rookie in the AHL on a low scoring team. His skating and brain make me think he'll at worst be a 3C that can develop into a steady 2C.

Michael Brandsegg-Nygard
Low end: 30-40 point 3rd line banger that sometimes plays PP2. Lawson Crouse?
High end: Timo Meier, 30ish goals, 30ish assists. Top 6 trigger and cornerman and PP2 shooter.
Expected outcome: Call me crazy, but I think MBN will be closer to his high end outcome. I compared him to Barbashev in his draft year and think that's also a pretty good expected outcome for him. 50-60 point, two way power winger that drags the puck out of the corner with a defenseman on his back.
Why I think this: He had a groin injury for a good part of the season that impacted his skating, and Skelleftea was an underperforming team that fired their coach mid season. But MBN was able to turn up on in the postseason and was one of their top 3 or top 4 players many nights, just as he was a nightmare for opponents in the Allsvenskan playoffs last year for Mora. It's also encouraging that MBN was probably the best player for Grand Rapids in a very short playoff series after coming over.

What are some of YOUR takes on Detroit's prospects?

 

[ShanahanMan]

When looking at the Wings prospect pool, what do you as a fan think our prospects could become?
Detroit Red Wings - In the System - Elite Prospects

Nate Danielson
Low end: Valtteri Filppula type 3C. Not super physical but plays hard and helps shut down opposition in his end.
High end: Dylan Larkin that knows how to play defense.
Expected outcome: Somewhere in between the two. 20g, 50p, strong two-way play that make his wingers lives easier.
Why I think this: When I've watched Danielson I've seen him sacrifice offense to make the safe team-first play 10 times out of 10. Nate has the ability to do more offensively than he did in Brandon where he was Mr. everything to that team, and we witnessed this in Portland where he was scoring at a 100 point pace after his trade. In Grand Rapids he was tasked with being a top 6 center from day one and proved again to be a responsible, mature two-way player. The numbers he put up were pretty good for a rookie in the AHL on a low scoring team. His skating and brain make me think he'll at worst be a 3C that can develop into a steady 2C.

Michael Brandsegg-Nygard
Low end: 30-40 point 3rd line banger that sometimes plays PP2. Lawson Crouse?
High end: Timo Meier, 30ish goals, 30ish assists. Top 6 trigger and cornerman and PP2 shooter.
Expected outcome: Call me crazy, but I think MBN will be closer to his high end outcome. I compared him to Barbashev in his draft year and think that's also a pretty good expected outcome for him. 50-60 point, two way power winger that drags the puck out of the corner with a defenseman on his back.
Why I think this: He had a groin injury for a good part of the season that impacted his skating, and Skelleftea was an underperforming team that fired their coach mid season. But MBN was able to turn up on in the postseason and was one of their top 3 or top 4 players many nights, just as he was a nightmare for opponents in the Allsvenskan playoffs last year for Mora. It's also encouraging that MBN was probably the best player for Grand Rapids in a very short playoff series after coming over.

What are some of YOUR takes on Detroit's prospects?

Swap your low ends into high ends for both players and i agree with you.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Swap your low ends into high ends for both players and i agree with you.

Ugh...

The purpose of this thread is to discuss the team's prospects, what you expect of them, and why.

So tell us all why you hate every single Red Wings prospect. Give us your expert opinion.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

i almost posted a joke reply that said, "shanahanman: all busts," but i thought that would be too on the nose. guess i was wrong

 

[DoMakc]

I don't know about Larkin tbh, Danielson won't be scoring that many goals. I struggle to find somebody who blends strong skating, defensive prowess and pass-first attitude. Most pass-first centers were rather west-east players. Maybe Barzal? But he is a winger nowadays. I think Filppula is a good one though.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I don't know about Larkin tbh, Danielson won't be scoring that many goals. I struggle to find somebody who blends strong skating, defensive prowess and pass-first attitude. Most pass-first centers were rather west-east players. Maybe Barzal? But he is a winger nowadays. I think Filppula is a good one though.

I think the pass first in Danielson’s game came from not being strong enough to take the puck to the net like he did in junior. He’s got a very good shot but needs to get stronger so he can battle for the ice to use it.

 

[Our Lady Peace]

Ugh...

The purpose of this thread is to discuss the team's prospects, what you expect of them, and why.

So tell us all why you hate every single Red Wings prospect. Give us your expert opinion.

What's annoying about posters like him is not only does he never offer any useful discussion to the topic, he never adds anything in response to your challenges or responses to him either. Just leaves and goes to another thread to lay the same wasteful rhetoric

 

[better Red than Dead]

When looking at the Wings prospect pool, what do you as a fan think our prospects could become?
Detroit Red Wings - In the System - Elite Prospects

Nate Danielson
Low end: Valtteri Filppula type 3C. Not super physical but plays hard and helps shut down opposition in his end.
High end: Dylan Larkin that knows how to play defense.
Expected outcome: Somewhere in between the two. 20g, 50p, strong two-way play that make his wingers lives easier.
Why I think this: When I've watched Danielson I've seen him sacrifice offense to make the safe team-first play 10 times out of 10. Nate has the ability to do more offensively than he did in Brandon where he was Mr. everything to that team, and we witnessed this in Portland where he was scoring at a 100 point pace after his trade. In Grand Rapids he was tasked with being a top 6 center from day one and proved again to be a responsible, mature two-way player. The numbers he put up were pretty good for a rookie in the AHL on a low scoring team. His skating and brain make me think he'll at worst be a 3C that can develop into a steady 2C.

Michael Brandsegg-Nygard
Low end: 30-40 point 3rd line banger that sometimes plays PP2. Lawson Crouse?
High end: Timo Meier, 30ish goals, 30ish assists. Top 6 trigger and cornerman and PP2 shooter.
Expected outcome: Call me crazy, but I think MBN will be closer to his high end outcome. I compared him to Barbashev in his draft year and think that's also a pretty good expected outcome for him. 50-60 point, two way power winger that drags the puck out of the corner with a defenseman on his back.
Why I think this: He had a groin injury for a good part of the season that impacted his skating, and Skelleftea was an underperforming team that fired their coach mid season. But MBN was able to turn up on in the postseason and was one of their top 3 or top 4 players many nights, just as he was a nightmare for opponents in the Allsvenskan playoffs last year for Mora. It's also encouraging that MBN was probably the best player for Grand Rapids in a very short playoff series after coming over.

What are some of YOUR takes on Detroit's prospects?

Love your takes here. I don’t know if Kasper is still considered a “prospect” but I have always thought he should be our Ryan Kesler/Erikson Ek his upside would be Dylan Larkin.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Love your takes here. I don’t know if Kasper is still considered a “prospect” but I have always thought he should be our Ryan Kesler/Erikson Ek his upside would be Dylan Larkin.

Kesler was the guy I compared him to most in his draft year. Kasper is way ahead of the curve though. Kesler at 21 was a 23 point rookie that you wondered if he had the hands to be more than a 20-30 point guy. He worked pretty hard in the offseasons to become the 50-70 point Kesler that everyone knew and hated. I think Kasper gets to that point sooner than later.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Here's one more since y'all are slacking.

Carter Mazur
Low End: On the low end Mazur is a pesky 20 to 30 point 4th liner that complements a decent checking line. A faster Patrick Eaves (with hopefully better health)
High End: I don't think we're going to see him turn into Zach Hyman in Edmonton but he could be Hyman in Toronto? Solid production to complement a top 6 line. 50ish points. Good defense.
Expected Outcome: A pesky, plus level 3rd liner that gets 30-40 points a year and is a great penalty killer. One of those guys that you think is in the top 3rd of 3rd liners like Blake Coleman.
Why I think this: My worry is that health problems and the way Mazur plays with a recklessness that leads to more injuries and that prospects with higher pedigree are what ultimately keeps him out of the top 6. Mazur also has a very strong B game that would make him a terrific role player on a team. With guys like MBN coming up, Raymond on the top line, DeBrincat already here, and the utility of Kasper at either wing or center keeps Mazur from cracking the top 6 with regularity.

 

[19 for president]

When looking at the Wings prospect pool, what do you as a fan think our prospects could become?
Detroit Red Wings - In the System - Elite Prospects

Nate Danielson
Low end: Valtteri Filppula type 3C. Not super physical but plays hard and helps shut down opposition in his end.
High end: Dylan Larkin that knows how to play defense.
Expected outcome: Somewhere in between the two. 20g, 50p, strong two-way play that make his wingers lives easier.
Why I think this: When I've watched Danielson I've seen him sacrifice offense to make the safe team-first play 10 times out of 10. Nate has the ability to do more offensively than he did in Brandon where he was Mr. everything to that team, and we witnessed this in Portland where he was scoring at a 100 point pace after his trade. In Grand Rapids he was tasked with being a top 6 center from day one and proved again to be a responsible, mature two-way player. The numbers he put up were pretty good for a rookie in the AHL on a low scoring team. His skating and brain make me think he'll at worst be a 3C that can develop into a steady 2C.

Michael Brandsegg-Nygard
Low end: 30-40 point 3rd line banger that sometimes plays PP2. Lawson Crouse?
High end: Timo Meier, 30ish goals, 30ish assists. Top 6 trigger and cornerman and PP2 shooter.
Expected outcome: Call me crazy, but I think MBN will be closer to his high end outcome. I compared him to Barbashev in his draft year and think that's also a pretty good expected outcome for him. 50-60 point, two way power winger that drags the puck out of the corner with a defenseman on his back.
Why I think this: He had a groin injury for a good part of the season that impacted his skating, and Skelleftea was an underperforming team that fired their coach mid season. But MBN was able to turn up on in the postseason and was one of their top 3 or top 4 players many nights, just as he was a nightmare for opponents in the Allsvenskan playoffs last year for Mora. It's also encouraging that MBN was probably the best player for Grand Rapids in a very short playoff series after coming over.

What are some of YOUR takes on Detroit's prospects?

For Danielson I think I lean more high end a bit more pass heavy Patrice Bergeron. I think his defensive awareness and IQ is better than Larkin, although I don't think I see him dominating defensively the way Bergeron did. Like Larkin is good at dogging guys and transition D but his zone defense is often below average. I do like the Flip as his low side comparison.

Kasper and Kesler I think is a pretty good comparison.

MBN maybe Ryan Clowe but more consistent. I kind of want to see how his physicality translates to NA.

Seider reminds me a ton of a less physical Vladdy. If we can get him an actual partner I think we'll see this a lot more.

ASP- low end maybe a Marek Zidlicky, maybe high end Zubov if his d game develops?

 

[19 for president]

Here's one more since y'all are slacking.

Carter Mazur
Low End: On the low end Mazur is a pesky 20 to 30 point 4th liner that complements a decent checking line. A faster Patrick Eaves (with hopefully better health)
High End: I don't think we're going to see him turn into Zach Hyman in Edmonton but he could be Hyman in Toronto? Solid production to complement a top 6 line. 50ish points. Good defense.
Expected Outcome: A pesky, plus level 3rd liner that gets 30-40 points a year and is a great penalty killer. One of those guys that you think is in the top 3rd of 3rd liners like Blake Coleman.
Why I think this: My worry is that health problems and the way Mazur plays with a recklessness that leads to more injuries and that prospects with higher pedigree are what ultimately keeps him out of the top 6. Mazur also has a very strong B game that would make him a terrific role player on a team. With guys like MBN coming up, Raymond on the top line, DeBrincat already here, and the utility of Kasper at either wing or center keeps Mazur from cracking the top 6 with regularity.

I am leaning Ty Bert in his Detroit years in terms of production and maybe health. I think Mazur could really surprise people if he can stay healthy. Lets hope he is more of a Kronwall health wise than Bert. (Bad luck early but worked his way into a pretty regular career).

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

As much as I’d like to it’s hard for me to contribute a lot to threads like this because I only watch highlights and some tape of shifts, I don’t watch full games from Grand Rapids or other leagues like people here do.

I will say I can see lundell and Danielson being a good comparable, I can see Danielson having a higher ceiling but he really needs to be more assertive with his shot and goal scoring ability. He has the tools to do it but for him it seems mental.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Kesler was the guy I compared him to most in his draft year. Kasper is way ahead of the curve though. Kesler at 21 was a 23 point rookie that you wondered if he had the hands to be more than a 20-30 point guy. He worked pretty hard in the offseasons to become the 50-70 point Kesler that everyone knew and hated. I think Kasper gets to that point sooner than later.

See I think Kesler is Danielson's peak. I get the agitation is there with Kasper and Kesler. But in play style Danielson does a lot of the same stuff as Kesler who was more of playmaker than goal scorer for most of his career and game relied on being on the right side of the puck then speed in transition.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

As much as I’d like to it’s hard for me to contribute a lot to threads like this because I only watch highlights and some tape of shifts, I don’t watch full games from Grand Rapids or other leagues like people here do.

I will say I can see lundell and Danielson being a good comparable, I can see Danielson having a higher ceiling but he really needs to be more assertive with his shot and goal scoring ability. He has the tools to do it but for him it seems mental.

That's more than some Especially the naysayers. Contribute anyway!

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

See I think Kesler is Danielson's peak. I get the agitation is there with Kasper and Kesler. But in play style Danielson does a lot of the same stuff as Kesler who was more of playmaker than goal scorer for most of his career and game relied on being on the right side of the puck then speed in transition.

My question to you is this; if you take the sandpaper and agitation out of Kesler's game, is he still Kesler?

I argue that if you remove that singular element that was a defining trait of Kesler's game that you have a whole different NHLer.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

@OgeeOgelthorpe

I understand using Meier. Ultimate ceiling do you see any Filip Forsberg in MBN? I like the way he hunts the puck in the offensive zone and creates a ton of turnovers. I get that he doesn't have the dangle that Forsberg has but he has a lot high IQ plays to go with that massive shot and great frame.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

My question to you is this; if you take the sandpaper and agitation out of Kesler's game, is he still Kesler?

I argue that if you remove that singular element that was a defining trait of Kesler's game that you have a whole different NHLer.

I think Danielson will have plenty of the hacking and whacking in his game. Lundell slashes the crap out of people in Florida for instance as someone who gets that local broadcast. Basically this is a part of pro defensive development. The defining element of Kesler's game for me was how sound he was with positioning and his ability to translate defensive stops into transition offense. From his peers and the guys around him, Danielson's compete level is usually the next thing they talk about after his skating, so I don't think that is a bad issue for him.

I actually think Kasper has a higher defensive outcome than Danielson. He plays more of that Toews, Bergeron, Zetterberg suffocating in your jersey checking style.

But I do get it, comparisons are hard, you are getting a blend which is why I appreciate the format you used. This is a cool concept in my opinion in terms of how you setup the thread.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

@OgeeOgelthorpe

I understand using Meier. Ultimate ceiling do you see any Filip Forsberg in MBN? I like the way he hunts the puck in the offensive zone and creates a ton of turnovers. I get that he doesn't have the dangle that Forsberg has but he has a lot high IQ plays to go with that massive shot and great frame.

Different games. Forsberg has that element of breakaway speed that MBN just doesn't have. Forsberg is also a lot more puck dominant as the guy you see transporting the puck through the neutral zone.

Forsberg is an interesting case. I think he'd have a much more stellar looking career if he was on any other team than Nashville where he didn't have any great centers to speak of save for...Granlund? Johansen?

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Different games. Forsberg has that element of breakaway speed that MBN just doesn't have. Forsberg is also a lot more puck dominant as the guy you see transporting the puck through the neutral zone.

Forsberg is an interesting case. I think he'd have a much more stellar looking career if he was on any other team than Nashville where he didn't have any great centers to speak of save for...Granlund? Johansen?

I see a lot of similarities in their shot I guess is a part of this. But yeah the ability to dangle through guys isn't something I expect from a ton of guys and Forsberg is really good at it. I do think they forecheck similarly as well in terms of being guys that can deliver checks but actually do a great job of keeping stick on puck positioning and blocking lanes while closing in for the hit.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I think Danielson will have plenty of the hacking and whacking in his game. Lundell slashes the crap out of people in Florida for instance as someone who gets that local broadcast. Basically this is a part of pro defensive development. The defining element of Kesler's game for me was how sound he was with positioning and his ability to translate defensive stops into transition offense. From his peers and the guys around him, Danielson's compete level is usually the next thing they talk about after his skating, so I don't think that is a bad issue for him.

I actually think Kasper has a higher defensive outcome than Danielson. He plays more of that Toews, Bergeron, Zetterberg suffocating in your jersey checking style.

But I do get it, comparisons are hard, you are getting a blend which is why I appreciate the format you used. This is a cool concept in my opinion in terms of how you setup the thread.

Danielson does the suffocating defense while playing cleaner, similar to Zetterberg, Ryan O'Reilly (who might be a good comparison) and Bergeron. His speed allows him to escape with the puck on the breakout because his skating might be a shade below Larkin.

Kasper and Toews/Kessler/Coutourier are in a similar mould. Each is going to shadow their opponent, but they might get a sneaky elbow in or blow up a winger behind the net with his head down. Kasper is a great skater in his own right but it's not as good as Danielson's. He's much more effective by winning that 50/50 battle down low and getting the puck to his outlet.

It'll be fun to see how this next season plays out; Is Kasper the top line LW with Larkin while Danielson plays 2C? Or the other way around? (It's kind of what I'm expecting with the way the last few free agency periods have gone for Detroit.)

 

[Frk It]

I see a good complimentary player when I look at MBN. Someone who can probably play on line 2 and someone your skill players love to play with.

I like the shot (particularly the one timer), the ability to retrieve pucks, the forechecking, and the compete.

Question for me has always been how much can he improve his puck skills/playmaking?

I was hoping he would have a +1 season like ASP to turn me into more of a believer, but he really didn't.

I would have pretty tempered expectations for him compared to others. But as I was going to say in the Danielson thread, I think projecting some of these kids is pretty volatile at the moment. There are still a pretty wide range of outcomes for MBN/Danielson/ASP etc. Would like to get more info ideally to have that picture be clearer still.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

There are some pretty big differences between Kasper and Danielson: most simply, Kasper really plays net front and bangs in pucks, deflects, etc.; not like Homer who was basically a human shield, but more like a Ryan Smyth or even a Dino. Danielson is far more liking to carry in a puck and rip off a shot front facing towards the net.

Not that either can't do the other, but I see Kasper a lot more in the slot almost everything I've seen from Danielson is he has a lot more north south in his game and a bigger shot to his game.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

MBN I think will be pound for pound one of the strongest guys in the league. He has that bull in a china shop type of game even though he’s only 6’1, I think if you look at tom Wilson’s season last year, that’s a potential similar outlook for peak MBN, but without the elite fighting ability and MBN being smaller.

 

[Realgud]

Buchelnikov and Danielson have every tool to be offensive forces in the NHL imo (except maybe height for Buch). Remains to be seen if they ever achieve that but, to me, nothing about their game suggests they should either bust or remain bottom of the lineup type of players. They have everything they need to become impact players.

Someone said it best about Danielson during last season when they said something along the lines of (paraphrasing) "if only he knew how nasty he actually is, he'd score a lot more". I think it might just be a mental thing for him that could with time or not but it does remind me of Raymond when some weren't convinced about his offensive potential because of his production in Sweden but watching him made it clear to me that he'd probably have an easier time producing at the NHL level with better players because he already had the proper pro habits that would translate. I think something similar could happen with Danielson (and I guess it did happen with Kasper already).