What are some under the radar contracts that you think will age horribly?

[Macbanan]

Mattias Samuelsson. 5 more years of 4.3M after this season.

He has zero offensive or puck transition skills. Mostly in the right place defensively but just loses every puck battle and causes giveaways. Surprisingly timid for his size. So far just not good and he's turning 25.

Got the contract because he was young, big, and his dad is Kjell Samuelsson. At least it seems so to me.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Alexis Lafrenière.

57pts last year. Pacing for 50pts this year.

1 good playoff run.

 

[Khelandros]

Any of the $14MM deals that are going to be signed this July 1st.

 

[SEALBound]

Surprised no one pointed out Zibanejad yet. Seems obvious.

 

[ESH]

Cool. How many of those wingers average almost 1min a game of PK time and 19min a night? His contract is not the greatest, but no Flames fan is complaining about his contributions to the Flames this year. He is a very serviceable 1st line winger.

I am a Flames fan who thinks his contract is terrible, and there’s plenty of others who think so as well. He’s the 5th highest paid winger in the league. He’s being paid to be a scoring force and a play driver and he’s been hugely disappointing. This has been his best year as a Flame and he’s still only on pace for 60 points.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Vincent Desharnais has been an absolute yard sale in Vancouver. He's borderline unplayable.

He has one year left.

 

[dgibb10]

Hilarious thinking about Huberdeau, who is on pace for a 35g season. Great contract? No. "Horrible" or "awful" contract? Also no. Even the Kadri contract on the Flames is not going to be horrible by the end of it. 100mil+ cap in 2 years is going to make a lot of these contracts be minimal overpayment.

Huberdeau is making 10.5 mill to pace for 60 points with PP1 time.

What happens when huberdeau, a career 12% shooter, stops shooting 22%.

Or are we claiming that 31 year old huberdeau suddenly became a brayden point level sniper?

Jonathan Huberdeau "resurgence"

Checks notes:

-career worst expected goals share
-career worst assist generation
-near career worsts in shot generation and expected goals generation

Hmm, I wonder what's triggering this so called resurgence.

Checks shooting %, is double his career average.

And there it is

 

[UnSandvich]

Whoever pays Ryan Lindgrens next contract is going to have regrets before the ink is dry

 

[Boomstick]

Results matter and the fact his production basically hasn’t changed (his pace is like 4 points higher over 82 games compared to his first year in Calgary) means you probably are no more likely to find a taker for his contract this year compared to last year.

I get what you're trying to say, but Calgary isn't dependent on Huberdeau's production. He's been fantastic in every aspect this year. His contributions go beyond his scoring, and like @DJJones said, the Flames aren't scoring many goals. He contributes very well defensively and forechecking. All his teammates love what he brings on and off the ice. If he wasn't making what he's making in Calgary, he would have gotten the same contract when he hit RFA from pretty much every team in the league.

Also the Flames need his contract to reach the cap floor. For now his contract isn't hurting them.
In the long run, was this contract worth it? Absolutely not, his first two years completely showed that.
But this contract isn't hurting the Flames while they are in this transitional phase.
If you revisit this after his contract is over, yes I'm sure he won't live up to the money he's making, but how many contracts in the league are bargains over the lifetime of said contract. Who knows.

Lol my 2nd edit. Okay, so the original question was who's contract will age horribly.

The easy answer to this question about Huberdeau is yes.
The complicated answer to this is No, it doesn't matter, because the contract is not hurting the Flames financially at all, and his play has been very good this year. Flames don't have any superstars on this team. If he was still in Florida I'm sure he'd be putting up 80 + points the last couple of seasons, but in Calgary his linemates aren't superstars. They do what they do, the last two years nothing worked. This year as their position in the standings show it does work and he's showing chemistry with his linemates. There was 0 chemistry the last two years.
Anyways. I'm done.

 

[ESH]

I get what you're trying to say, but Calgary isn't dependent on Huberdeau's production. He's been fantastic in every aspect this year. His contributions go beyond his scoring, and like @DJJones said, the Flames aren't scoring many goals. He contributes very well defensively and forechecking. All his teammates love what he brings on and off the ice. If he wasn't making what he's making in Calgary, he would have gotten the same contract when he hit RFA from pretty much every team in the league.

Also the Flames need his contract to reach the cap floor. For now his contract isn't hurting them.
In the long run, was this contract worth it? Absolutely not, his first two years completely showed that.
But this contract isn't hurting the Flames while they are in this transitional phase.
If you revisit this after his contract is over, yes I'm sure he won't live up to the money he's making, but how many contracts in the league are bargains over the lifetime of said contract. Who knows.

Lol my 2nd edit. Okay, so the original question was who's contract will age horribly.

The easy answer to this question about Huberdeau is yes.
The complicated answer to this is No, it doesn't matter, because the contract is not hurting the Flames financially at all, and his play has been very good this year. Flames don't have any superstars on this team. If he was still in Florida I'm sure he'd be putting up 80 + points the last couple of seasons, but in Calgary his linemates aren't superstars. They do what they do, the last two years nothing worked. This year as their position in the standings show it does work and he's showing chemistry with his linemates. There was 0 chemistry the last two years.
Anyways. I'm done.

I think there’s a bit more nuance to it than this. If Huberdeau was living up to his contract and actually producing relative to his pay, the Flames would be a more competitive team and would likely be looking to buy and spend more cap. Huberdeau’s downturn since he signed that contract is a large reason why Flames management is looking to do a soft rebuild.

The chemistry argument is a common one for people defending Huberdeau, but it’s just a scapegoat. Huberdeau is paid to drive play and make other players around him better. He’s played with every center the Flames have iced over the last 3 years, whose fault is it that he can’t find “chemistry”? He finished 2nd in league scoring playing the vast majority of the year with Sam Bennett and Anthony Duclair, neither of which are elite players themselves.

I think there’s a whole lot of cope going on to try and justify Huberdeau’s contract and explain his fall, but the reality is just that he’s not as good as he once was.

 

[Quinning]

He has one year left.

That's still too long.

 

[yeaher]

Matty beniers, 7+ for 40ish pts

awful player

 

[Paper]

OP: "Hey guys let's talk about literally any other contract but Huberdeau's"
HF Posters: "Half the posts will be about Huberdeau!"

 

[Susannah]

Shesterkin.

 

[StLewis11]

Brayden Schenn for the Blues

 

[LeProspector]

Alex DeBrincat

 

[Machinehead]

Mikko Rantanen, depending on how that shakes out.

A guy who's going to be 29, and has spent his whole career being his team's third-best player, getting $14m to carry a team makes me nervous.

 

[mphmiles]

Just to mix it up in here: Marchenko.

3 year bridge deal making 3.8 and he’s going to cost 3x as much when it’s up.

 

[Bank Shot]

Sharangovich has a lot of potential here.

Signed for $6 million after a breakout season of 30 goals and nearly 60 points.

On pace for 36 points, and a minus player again like every other year in his career.

This contract could be in buy out territory in a year or two.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Now most contracts that will age horribly like Huberdeau or Nurse are well known. But what are some that fly under the radar as awful contracts? I nominate Adam Larssons contract going forward.

really bad timing for naming these two.

Nurse is playing the best he's ever played and Huberdeau is playing the best he's played as a flame and as the cap goes up ( trade war notwithstanding) they will continue to have less and less of an effect on the over all cap and abilities of teams to sign other players as 9mil becomes the new 5mil. You also need to look at how the contract affect the team in terms of how hard it makes making the team better, something I dont think the flames need to worry about. The huberdeau contract is bad though, but the flames had the stop the bleeding at the time they signed, the franchise of imploading losing two of the best players they've had since the 80s, so its understandable they threw a stupid amount of cash and term at him.


The worst contracts to give out are the ones that take 30 year olds into their late 30s and early 40s, like Chandler Stephenson. Or contracts based on "potential" or "draft pedigree" that have no basis in reality like Alexis Lafreniere or Matty Beniers.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Vincent Desharnais has been an absolute yard sale in Vancouver. He's borderline unplayable.

Thats not exactly under the radar though. Many Oilers fans would have taken him back at 1 mil. the 2mil was just a pure mistake on vancouvers front and quite frankly an unforced error. He played well last year but was trending downward and was in and out of the line up and finally lost his spot on the team in the finals.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

really bad timing for naming these two.

Nurse is playing the best he's ever played and Huberdeau is playing the best he's played as a flame and as the cap goes up ( trade war notwithstanding) they will continue to have less and less of an effect on the over all cap and abilities of teams to sign other players as 9mil becomes the new 5mil.


The worst contracts to give out are the ones that take 30 year olds into their late 30s and early 40s, like Chandler Stephenson. Or contracts based on "potential" or "draft pedigree" that have no basis in reality like Alexis Lafreniere or Matty Beniers.

Yeah beniers is scary because he is actually strong defensively but poor offensively, things. Usually youngsters struggle defensively but always have the offensive potential.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Yeah beniers is scary because he is actually strong defensively but poor offensively, things. Usually youngsters struggle defensively but always have the offensive potential.

Exactly defence can be taught, offence can't.

 

[benfranklin]

Jeff Skinner. I will blame that for the Oilers playoff loss this season. Who knows if that money will be the difference between an A player vs a B player.