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[Kshahdoo]

Same problems continue rear their head. Top players not being the top players, teams too soft, need a x& os coach . And at this point im convinced Rod is just plain old stupid.

It's not about toughness. They can't make 2 good consecutive passes. Here is how small and soft Soviets played vs big and tough NHLers, and those were bests of the best NHLers. If they are small they need to think really quick on the ice and have proper skills. I didn't see this in the game.

 

[chaz4hockey]

It’s one thing to get embarrassed on the scoreboard but when guys on the other team do whatever they want and nobody stands up for your best player it’s embarrassing and shows what kinda team you have. If it was barkov getting clowned half the panthers bench would be jumping over the boards. Im sick and tired of seeing this team get clowned on by other teams

Decided to miss it live and will catch up later. Players not sticking up for each other is pathetic but I blame both the players and management for building such a soft team.

Also what RBA didn’t learn from Maurice is that toughness wins and you have to tell your guys to take no BS too. Guy came out of the flyer org.…it’s mind boggling how pacifist RBA is.

 

[User13452]

See here's my problem with this.

I can appreciate him calling out the stars but saying "Staal and Martinook can't be the best players", really? Maybe by some metrics they are but come on. I seriously believe that if Rod could wave a magic wand, he'd make the forward core be 6 Staals and 6 Martinooks.

Stankoven has been the one "good" player so far this series.

Ya I don’t agree saying staal and martinook were the best forwards. Martinook is definitely hurt he doesn’t look like himself. If Rod could build a team of 12 martinook clones he would

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

PATHETIC

 

[chaz4hockey]

I have it on good authority that Trocheck was never going to resign here. He couldnt leave us fast enough. Wanted no part of our system anymore

So, SC Champ plays the exact system and Tro sure had a blast with Rags this year.

Guy is a head case and I’m glad he is gone.

 

[chaz4hockey]

I remember Friedman talking up the trees on Vegas’ blueline a few years ago. Florida has been big too. Colorado and Tampa the same.

At full health, this team is running four D at 6’ or below. It’s not necessarily softness. It’s the inability to absorb contact. If Gostisbehere, for example, doesn’t lob a split second sooner than you want him to, he gets taken out of the play.

Amen I’ve been saying that since the summer and during this series. Need to have a big D, particularly if we are going to dress smaller forwards ….we had no one this year except Slavin as burns hits someone every 60 games.

 

[User13452]

Amen I’ve been saying that since the summer and during this series. Need to have a big D, particularly if we are going to dress smaller forwards ….we had no one this year except Slavin as burns hits someone every 60 games.

Ya we aren’t making it very hard on Floridas forwards.

 

[Sigurd]

yep

C2 - top 6 wing - RD1

those are three f***ing MASSIVE holes. Holes that actual contenders don't have. And we've had 2 of those holes for 3 f***ing years now with the only moves to replace the easiest one to fill blowing up in our face after we tried to nickel and dime one, and the other didn't want to f***ing be here.

Yes. This 100%.

After feeling something I've never felt before as a Hurricanes fan with this series, humiliation (with 3 blow out losses in a row; the first two at home while we continue an ECF curse with over a dozen losses in a row), I again thought of how badly our roster has been managed.

Namely, going back to last summer. Not extending Guentzel AND Pesce really hurt us. Both would've been huge. While Pesce is arguably not a RD1 on several teams, he would fit in well with Slavin if need be, but more than that, extending him would've helped our blue line depth after Burns either retires this summer, or we let him go. Extending Guentzel would've meant that Carolina wouldn't have traded for Rantanen, and they probably would've traded for either EP40 or JT Miller from Vancouver since the reports were that Carolina had to decide if they wanted to trade a similiar package for Rantanen or EP40.

So, a roster with Guentzel, Pesce, and EP40, even without a Stanley cup this season, would've been a huge improvement over what we have now; even with the down year EP40 has had. You can add grit and size on the wings, and on the blue line to compensate for concerns about the lack of toughness from EP, and then the current smaller players we have (EP is 6'2 but not heavy). We'd go into this summer in a very strong position to further improve our roster with more toughness and size like with Boeser for example who becomes a free agent. Getting Dobson would be a no brainer for our top trade target since we'd no longer have a 2C to fill with EP, and we'd also have a top winger with Guentzel. So, getting a top RHD to replace Burns is a no brainer as our #1 priority, and we'd still have enough trade assets and cap space to do so with Burns and Orlov coming off the books, and KK either before or during this summer being traded.

In short, this "retool" year should've never happened if last summer wasn't such a f***ing disaster for our roster management. Also, the "tough guy" (since, understandably, alot of us are talking about big and tough players) Carrier hasn't impressed me. I would've preferred we extended Noesen over him because at least Noesen was excellent with being a net front prescence with screens, and getting "dirty" goals. I say that while knowing Noesen wasn't and isn't considered a particularly tough player, but he wasn't afraid to park in front of the goalie and he actually got goals too.

*Edit* Corrected EP40's height.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Doubtful we win game 4 but possibly no Reinhart Loustarinen or Mikkola for Florida

What happened to Mikkola?

 

[User13452]

What happened to Mikkola?

Went into the boards awkwardly and left favouring his shoulder

 

[chaz4hockey]

Went into the boards awkwardly and left favouring his shoulder

Thx for updating. Good

 

[Wolfpuck]

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You should admit your situation Rod. There would be more dignity in it.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

It’s all a setup for the greatest and most shocking sports comeback ever. We will do what Edmonton couldn’t last year

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

I wonder what the largest goal differential in a playoff series is

Edit: 27 goals according to chat GPT by the 1987 Oilers

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

Ya I don’t agree saying staal and martinook were the best forwards. Martinook is definitely hurt he doesn’t look like himself. If Rod could build a team of 12 martinook clones he would

Brindy is in over his head at this level of the game.

I'm tired of him propping up our slow grinders that barely ever contribute anything offensively as our best players. Singling out Staal and Martinook last night when Stanky played his nuts off for 60 mins just shows a complete infatuation with the kind of players that lead us to this result year after year.

Aho, Jarvis and Svech are ass for yet another playoff series where we are getting swept out of the playoffs. If it was one or two of them I'd wonder about the issue being them personally, but when it's routinely the same thing every year, you really have to wonder at what point is it on the coaches and the scheme that our best players just cannot do anything on the biggest stage.

 

[The Faulker 27]

This is so much worse than two years ago. Two years ago the Canes played better than the Panthers, they just got Bob'd and puck-lucked to death. It happens. This is worse. Not so much the score, that's our goalies shitting the bed, but the forwards just look so ineffective. It's like a Canes team circa 2013, they can't seem to get any chances or sustained pressure. It's skill, and it's mental, and it's matchup leading to one of the worst playoff collapses in recent memory.

But what do you even do? If Toronto wins Game 7, Rod Brind'amour might have abused easy/favorable matchups to get a team with a great 2nd line and several 3rd/4th lines into the Cup Final.

I don't know if this is the issue, but it feels like none of our top guys want to be THE guy. Jarvis trying to force a pass on a 2 on 1 when the Panther has gone to the ice rather than shooting it or taking it to the net, Svechnikov today on the PP staring down Bob for the first time this series and instead deferring to Ghost, Blake doing the same thing in Game 2. At least Blake is a rookie, he has an excuse to defer to Aho and Svechnikov, who are Jarvis/Aho looking to?

Your best players need to be your best players as Rod pointed out in the post game presser. Every year I feel like the same comments are made at some point in the playoffs. At what point do you start to make changes.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

Brindy is in over his head at this level of the game.

I'm tired of him propping up our slow grinders that barely ever contribute anything offensively as our best players. Singling out Staal and Martinook last night when Stanky played his nuts off for 60 mins just shows a complete infatuation with the kind of players that lead us to this result year after year.

Aho, Jarvis and Svech are ass for yet another playoff series where we are getting swept out of the playoffs. If it was one or two of them I'd wonder about the issue being them personally, but when it's routinely the same thing every year, you really have to wonder at what point is it on the coaches and the scheme that our best players just cannot do anything on the biggest stage.

to be fair, he did specifically call out the four rookies as some of the best players last night the sentence right before that

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

Your best players need to be your best players as Rod pointed out in the post game presser. Every year I feel like the same comments are made at some point in the playoffs and at what point do you start to make changes.

There are only 2 things you can do

Replace the players or replace the coaches. And given contracts and the salary cap, it's not as easy to replace the players, even if it might be the right approach

 

[AD Skinner]

I mean he can’t say “their best players are better than our best players” although anyone who’s watched the nhl the past five years knows that. Their forwards are way better especially since adding Marchand, their goalie is way better especially since finding his groove again against the leafs, and while slavin is probably the best defenseman between the two teams especially with the injuries their group 1-6 is better. The only way the canes were winning this is if they kept up the goaltending and special teams heater they were on or they grind the panthers down with forecheck and possession time. The latter staal and Martinook do very well but it hasn’t been enough.

 

[Stickpucker]

Everyone here is in their feeling and I'm personally still in a bit of shock. Not sure wtf I witnessed. The team may be outclassed but they're not as bad as they've been playing.

I buy into the need to get tougher argument and have parroted those same points.

My concern is this is a rules for thee and not for me league. Look at Ahos hip check -- now he's the scum of the league. Svech looking at someone funny and he goes to the box for 20 minutes. Ghost responding to the rat at all and he's the bad guy.

When we played Boston, NYR, TB or anyone in recent memory if we show the slightest bit of physicality they throw the book at us and they won't match penalties. Just look at Kotkaniemi penalty last night. The first goal against was directly caused by Orlov eating a cross check with the puck in front of him that want called and we know it wasnt goinf to be. We have way more pim vs the Boston and NYRs of the league. Look at Trocheck leaving and his PIM dropping a ton while he plays the exaxt same way. Imagine if Svech concussed Tkachuk or Bennett he'd probably get 20 games.

That said, if that's shown to be the path to victory since we aren't getting a McDavid anytime soon I think the org needs to go full heel.

Better to be a villian than a joke.

 

[To Be Determined]

Which save ?

in all honesty, i'm starting to think i've mandela effect-ed myself.

i have a very real memory of glove save that was robbery - exploding side to side and snagging one that should have gone into an open net - that was seen as impactful on the playoff race at the end of the 22-23 season. i thought it was fleury, against another team in the east playoff hunt. but the only teams that could be are the pens and the sabres - both finished 1 point behind florida- and the wild/fleury didn't play any meaningful games against either toward the end of the season.

the closest thing i found was buffalo vs the wild at the end of january, so too early, when buffalo lost in ot. they 'scored' at the end of the second but the puck was about 0.2 seconds after the horn. and fleury had made the initial save but it wasn't anything special.

this is one of those things that will drive me crazy until i forget about it or die.

 

[Tryamw]

Everyone here is in their feeling and I'm personally still in a bit of shock. Not sure wtf I witnessed. The team may be outclassed but they're not as bad as they've been playing.

I buy into the need to get tougher argument and have parroted those same points.

My concern is this is a rules for thee and not for me league. Look at Ahos hip check -- now he's the scum of the league. Svech looking at someone funny and he goes to the box for 20 minutes. Ghost responding to the rat at all and he's the bad guy.

When we played Boston, NYR, TB or anyone in recent memory if we show the slightest bit of physicality they throw the book at us and they won't match penalties. Just look at Kotkaniemi penalty last night. The first goal against was directly caused by Orlov eating a cross check with the puck in front of him that want called and we know it wasnt goinf to be. We have way more pim vs the Boston and NYRs of the league. Look at Trocheck leaving and his PIM dropping a ton while he plays the exaxt same way. Imagine if Svech concussed Tkachuk or Bennett he'd probably get 20 games.

That said, if that's shown to be the path to victory since we aren't getting a McDavid anytime soon I think the org needs to go full heel.

Better to be a villian than a joke.

Concur.. But The players See Bob as Something harder then the Walrus in Net And that's the MYTH they themselves have created. They choose a 10% chance (At best pass) over a SHOT! Have some belief you can score.. Set up the shot so the pass may be better next time but right now they don't even have to honor the shot. And once more they are afraid to go to the front of the next except Logan..

As to the scrum stuff somehow we get abused and we go to the Box.. Refs should be ashamed (But it gets us even further off our game.. But I'd love for us to be a bit more heel in the playoffs.. for some reason you keep doing it the refs stop calling you for it.

 

[Negan4Coach]

Well, I have to say I'm feeling completely justified for declining to renew my season tix after they had the audacity to jack up the price and increase the plan from 11 to 22 games. And for only going to 1 game this year and not investing in the playoffs.

THEY ARE WHO I THOUGHT THEY WERE

Dundon should fire Rod and Daniels RIGHT NOW and let Gleason manage Game 4.

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

Well, I have to say I'm feeling completely justified for declining to renew my season tix after they had the audacity to jack up the price and increase the plan from 11 to 22 games. And for only going to 1 game this year and not investing in the playoffs.

THEY ARE WHO I THOUGHT THEY WERE

Dundon should fire Rod and Daniels RIGHT NOW and let Gleason manage Game 4.

I love this idea. The folks on Twitter get their panties in a wad if anyone ever criticizes Rod, don't they? It's ok..sometimes a new voice is needed. Doesn't mean he isn't a good coach. But maybe someone should realize he has taken this team as far as it can go? I also think there is a disconnect forming between the FO and Rod. The Nikishin situation smells fishy to me, why go to all that trouble to get him here and then the coach would rather play Morrow over him??.....Rantanen refusing the play here also. I don't know, just seems like there may be a rift developing. We will see.

 

[The Faulker 27]

I love this idea. The folks on Twitter get their panties in a wad if anyone ever criticizes Rod, don't they? It's ok..sometimes a new voice is needed. Doesn't mean he isn't a good coach. But maybe someone should realize he has taken this team as far as it can go? I also think there is a disconnect forming between the FO and Rod. The Nikishin situation smells fishy to me, why go to all that trouble to get him here and then the coach would rather play Morrow over him??.....Rantanen refusing the play here also. I don't know, just seems like there may be a rift developing. We will see.

Well, Orlov on his offside was probably our most glaring issue last night so that is likely why he hasn't played him. I wanted to see Nikishin. He looked good, and I think he's going to be a great player for us but obviously we underestimated how bad Orlov could be in that situation with a Rookie who isn't going to bail him out.

I think this team has taken itself as far as it can go. I'm not saying Rod isn't deserving of some criticism but at what point is it the players or the coach? Our top line, short of a charity goal, was completely shut down last night. Again. Svechnikov 0 sog in most likely the biggest game he'll play in for a while. Aho 2 SOG opting to pass multiple times when he had a clear option to shoot. Jarvis 1 sog. I mean, when your top line has a collective 3 sog through 60 minutes that's never going to get it done in a game like that.