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News Article: "We've got to go in a different direction with our young guys," Tallon said

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http://panthers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=678245

This got me a bit than more concerned. Is the 5 year plan now out the window? Are we gonna rush players to NHL again?

Why do this? The only reason that comes to my mind is, our ownership is cash strippen and has told Tallon to operate at league minimum.

I get bringing up few guys but this sounds like were going back to the old habits of putting too much pressure on 20 year olds or even younger. Barkov is pretty much boom or bust in the first season. Either he's ready to take over 1rst line duties right away or he doesn't fit get's demoted to 4th line and rots there. Bjugstad should go for a another season in AHL. Now there even talking bringing Trochek up to the big show right away?

Why not just take our time with these kids? Because we don't have money to sign any UFA's or even keep our own RFA/UFA's.
 
Mogo said:
http://panthers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=678245

This got me a bit than more concerned. Is the 5 year plan now out the window? Are we gonna rush players to NHL again?

Why do this? The only reason that comes to my mind is, our ownership is cash strippen and has told Tallon to operate at league minimum.

I get bringing up few guys but this sounds like were going back to the old habits of putting too much pressure on 20 year olds or even younger. Barkov is pretty much boom or bust in the first season. Either he's ready to take over 1rst line duties right away or he doesn't fit get's demoted to 4th line and rots there. Bjugstad should go for a another season in AHL. Now there even talking bringing Trochek up to the big show right away?

Why not just take our time with these kids? Because we don't have money to sign any UFA's or even keep our own RFA/UFA's.
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That is what I am getting from the article. There is no way Tallon is going to preach preach preach development since his arrival, and then all of a sudden change to this dependency of our youth. The well must really be dry right now if this is the case, and it could be unfortunate, because a guy like Tallon might not be happy down the road with this restraint, or he might end up losing his job because he wasnt given all the tools to work with.
 
It is what it is.

Hopefully the young guys do well in the NHL next year, and when guys like Sean, Kris and Ed come back, we could reduce the playing time for the young guys, if necessary.

It would be nice to develop our guys like the Wings do it, but, we don't have the talent on the NHL squad, nor the cash to acquire proven guys.
 
Dale also said: "We're going to go with our young guys. That's been the plan all along and that's the way we're going to go,"

I get the meaning that it's the time for the next phase of the blueprint. We're not going to have a team full of rookies. I think it will just be Barkov, and Robak. Last season we were really only supposed to have Huberdeau. The season before that we had Gudbranson. One to two new rookies each year is the plan.
 
We have no money. Tallon doesn't have options... This is what HAS to happen until we get a real owner.
 
I think we will surprise some people if we can stay healthy and Markie takes the next step. I'm not expecting a top 4 seed for us this year but I do see us fighting for the 7th or 8th spot even though our division may be the toughest in the league. Let the kids grow and develop together, I thought that's what everyone wanted anyway, to see the youngsters play. Now we're all worried we won't be good enough and that we'd be rushing them? I'm totally fine with what Tallon said in the interview.

Sidenote: Tallon said we need help on the right side at forward, why not shift Brunner to the wing, sign him to a 2 year deal if possible?


This is from an article I found online, I doubt $2.5 million is going to break the bank for a potential top 6 winger.
"Guilitti tweeted that Sheehy told him a deal is not imminent as of this time. This slightly contradicts a previous account from Swiss reporter Nicola Berger, who tweeted on Saturday afternoon that Brunner appeared to be heading to the New Jersey Devils. Berger tweeted that the team had been doing an extensive amount of background work on the 27-year-old free agent.

According to previous reports, Brunner is seeking a multi-year contract with a $2.5 million annual average value. He played his first season in the NHL last year with the Detroit Red Wings."
 
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We didn't draft these prospects just to watch them develop in the minors. If the prospects are ready then they're ready. Some of the prospects showed least season that they were borderline NHL ready and with a little more training in the summer that they could make the jump next season. The only way to find out is to see them compete for the spots that are available. Obviously, I'm not for rushing the young guys but it makes no sense to hold them back if they're able to make it at the next level. Tallon and company know what they're doing.

If money is an issue this season, then it shouldn't be for long. Considering our new division, we should see an increase in the amount of money being made at the games. Maybe a bit optimistic but with Canadian team fan-bases as well as fan-bases from Boston and Detroit that should increase the game attendance at the BB&T on a more consistent basis.
 
Gudbranson4Prez said:
We have no money. Tallon doesn't have options... This is what HAS to happen until we get a real owner.
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Funny Side Note - If the team does eventually get sold in the near future, how much fun will the next owner have when he buys a team with an amazing amount of cap space ... spend! spend! spend!
 
My concern is that SSE is more profitable in its other ventures besides hockey, and they only string the hockey team along, keeping expenses low. Any prospective buyer may not be interested in the hockey operation alone, but the SSE ownership won't sell the profitable part unless the price is astronomical. Thus the non-hockey-oriented owners may just be in a mode of "if the young guns can put butts in the seats, we might just invest more, otherwise we'll just do what we always do -- sell the assets when they become too expensive".

So how to explain Campbell and Jovo? Campbell may have been a bone to Tallon, and Jovo a calculated nostalgic move by non-hockey-sense owners who think South Florida fans will come watch bad hockey in 2013 and think of 1996.
 
KWGoon said:
My concern is that SSE is more profitable in its other ventures besides hockey, and they only string the hockey team along, keeping expenses low. Any prospective buyer may not be interested in the hockey operation alone, but the SSE ownership won't sell the profitable part unless the price is astronomical. Thus the non-hockey-oriented owners may just be in a mode of "if the young guns can put butts in the seats, we might just invest more, otherwise we'll just do what we always do -- sell the assets when they become too expensive".
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I have been wondering how profitable SSE is? Arena operating company is profitable but team is not but is SSE in black or in red? In top of this team has to return $4.2 millions to AOC by the end of August.

JOL
 
"While Tallon has high expectations for his young prospects, he also wants them to understand that they will have to earn roster spots.

'I don't care about age. I don't care about anything but performance,' Tallon said. 'It's what dictates who plays and who doesn't.'"

I read that to mean that players who arent ready will not be playing, but players who are ready will play. If this was really about cash, then I think DT would go get a bunch of low priced rentals. I think this is just the next step of the plan where the prospects start to make their way into the nhl. The players that do make their way on to the team will be sent down if theyre not ready. Jugs is a good example of that. I doubt he starts in the nhl this year. But he may earn some call ups. He wont be rushed though at all.
 
King Panther said:
"While Tallon has high expectations for his young prospects, he also wants them to understand that they will have to earn roster spots.

'I don't care about age. I don't care about anything but performance,' Tallon said. 'It's what dictates who plays and who doesn't.'"

I read that to mean that players who arent ready will not be playing, but players who are ready will play. If this was really about cash, then I think DT would go get a bunch of low priced rentals. I think this is just the next step of the plan where the prospects start to make their way into the nhl. The players that do make their way on to the team will be sent down if theyre not ready. Jugs is a good example of that. I doubt he starts in the nhl this year. But he may earn some call ups. He wont be rushed though at all.
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hmmm let me see here..... He got Crabb, Butler, Winchester, Gilroy, Mottau all for 700k and under... sounds like that is exactly what he's doing...
 
King Panther said:
"While Tallon has high expectations for his young prospects, he also wants them to understand that they will have to earn roster spots.

'I don't care about age. I don't care about anything but performance,' Tallon said. 'It's what dictates who plays and who doesn't.'"

I read that to mean that players who arent ready will not be playing, but players who are ready will play. If this was really about cash, then I think DT would go get a bunch of low priced rentals. I think this is just the next step of the plan where the prospects start to make their way into the nhl. The players that do make their way on to the team will be sent down if theyre not ready. Jugs is a good example of that. I doubt he starts in the nhl this year. But he may earn some call ups. He wont be rushed though at all.
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It seems pretty clear that the blueprint has been pushed up a year by the checkbook.

Evidence suggests that Tallon would prefer to add some more seasoned stopgaps to the roster, but cannot because of budgetary constraints. I don't think any seasoned GM looks at our current roster, looks at available cap space and says, "I think we're set". He's just not going to come out and say that.

If there was a low priced rental that Tallon could have added that would represent an upgrade and he had the budget to do it, he would have made the move.
 
HockeyRulez said:
Did u just compare our veterans to the hawks'?

Do we have anyone close to a Sharp, Hossa, Seabrook? I could go on and on.... Our veterans are no where near the veterans in chi-town...
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Dont "did u just" me then follow up with that. Versteeg. Campbell, and Kopecky say hi.
 
CHGoalie72 said:
Dont "did u just" me then follow up with that. Versteeg. Campbell, and Kopecky say hi.
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oh jeez... you compare the likes of versteeg, campbell, kopecky to guys like sharp hossa, keith, seabrook etc.?

did you forget that campbell, versteeg, kopecky were playing behind hossa, sharp, etc. when they were all in chicago?
 
angry_treefrog said:
It seems pretty clear that the blueprint has been pushed up a year by the checkbook.

Evidence suggests that Tallon would prefer to add some more seasoned stopgaps to the roster, but cannot because of budgetary constraints. I don't think any seasoned GM looks at our current roster, looks at available cap space and says, "I think we're set". He's just not going to come out and say that.

If there was a low priced rental that Tallon could have added that would represent an upgrade and he had the budget to do it, he would have made the move.
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Let me clarify my point about "if this was really about cash", and I do apologize for not having explained myself more clearly. I don't think the impetus for the current roster decisions is based on a directive to keep costs low. I do believe that this may be a welcome bonus for the management, but I don't think it is a directive from the management to not spend cash. In fact, I think that if there were such a directive then DT would quit.

I think most people think this is the part of the plan where we try to sign good players so we can remain competitive and maybe make the playoffs. It is not. This is the part of the plan where we sign any scrub off the street until we can replace those scrubs with our own prospects. But we want to remain as bad as possible for as long as possible to continue stocking our prospect pool so that once we do start to rise in the standings (due to our prospects maturation, not due to free agent spending sprees) we will still have talent to draw upon and to fill out our roster (cause what we got right now is gonna get depleted pretty fast when they start graduating and/or busting). We probably need at least one more blue chip player, and certainly a bunch more solid to high end prospects.

To go out and sign a bunch of good nhl players would only slow our rebuild down, just as it did when we signed jovo, Campbell, flash, bergy, upshall, etc. To be honest I don't even know why they did that, maybe cause the fan base needed it or something, I dunno, but it hurt us in terms of the rebuild. That draft class (from the playoffs year) was pretty pathetic compared to the other 3 under DT imo. A few more early playoff exits followed by ****** draft classes is the surest way to insure continued mediocrity. To be really good, you have to be really bad first. Were not done being bad yet. So, my point then is this, these roster moves (or lack thereof) aren't motivated by cash problems, theyre strategic. At least that's my opinion.
 
v Random Theory #1 v

Maybe the profit from the playoffs wasn't enough to entice the owners to continue to spend so they instead decided to simply stay with the status quo.

^ Random Theory #1 ^
 
i dont see any issue here. tallon will go out and try to get guys he wants, i dont think its a money issue, its just the specific scenario we are currently in. and remember, its only been 2 1/2 years of the rebuild. say weiss for example (and lecavalier i guess), we just drafted barkov, we have bjugstad, not to mention shore, just resigned matthias and is progressing finally, still have goc for this season, trocheck if he stays at center. i think what we're planning on is barkov and bjugstad to be th top-2 centers in the near future. weiss just signed a 5-year deal, with a very good team keep in mind which is enticing, and at just under 5mil. i dont think it was us being too cheap, i just think it was time to go in a different direction. same could be said at the lecavalier possibility, got a great contract on a strong team, nothing u can do there, it was his choice.

as it stands we have matthias/barkov/goc as our top-3 centers, for now that'll do until bjugstad can get some ahl experience and barkov can get some nhl experience.
set at lw right now with fleischmann/huberdeau/bergenheim, thats perfect.
only at rw is there a spot open really, we have versteeg/kopecky/upshall, no issues with versteeg and kopecky, upshall is filling the void for now, id like them to sign a rw, someone like brunner, or even jagr for 1yr, especially with versteeg likely missing the start of the season. i could see trocheck being converted to rw, even in the ahl thats probably what we're going to do with him, but i could see him making the team to start the season, the guy has had 2yrs of development in the ohl since being drafted and just won ohl mvp and scored 50 goals, the kid's got skill.
and on D we have 5 for sure Dmen in campbell/kulikov/gudbranson/weaver/jovanovski, we got gilroy now who can fill the 6th spot, or even mottau, petrovic or robak, and that goes for if jovo somehow cant start the season as well, so we've got some depth to work with. and we have our two goalies right now and im fine if it stays this way.

he traded for kopecky, versteeg, campbell, signed flash, goc, bergy, jovo, theo, upshall. tallons not afraid to trade or sign players if we're fortunate enough for the players to say yes to coming here. we're in a situation where we are going with the youth, barkov's the only one whos a definite for the season opener with a possibility of trocheck, maybe petrovic/robak on D but theyve been developing nicely, not rushing them and both got a taste of the nhl last season, id be fine with petrovic starting on the 3rd line. i dont see the issue...
 
Am I missing something? I'm not sure I see all the panic. Let's say we're all healthy to start the season, I came up with lines that would only add two prospects to our team (Sasha & Robak). Three prospects I guess if you chose to include Marky as a prospect. I'm perfectly fine with this.

My concern would be if all of Sasha, Robak, Shore, Bjugstad, Howden, Trocheck, and Racine had to start the season with us this year. I doubt that will be the case. Possible, yes. But I doubt it happens. I do see all these names for the 2015-16 season and that's fine.

-ghoste
 
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