Post-Game Talk: Wes Side Story

[Sra1974]

Yep. This will be the new standard play on McDavid in the last minute of games, especially in the playoffs. Unfortunately, this type of play is incentivized by the league. Game management and parity pushing executives serve to further the aggregate revenue of the league by manufacturing playoff aspirations for teams that would be well under .500 without Bettman points. The general nature of wordings and enforcement of the rules in the league leads to a product where the standards of the game vary wildly; an identically played game on one night could be a special teams fest, and on the next could be a 'game 7' depending on what the refs decide pre-game. Goaltender interference challenges might as well just pull up a roulette wheel on the scoreboard to determine the outcome, as the standard is so variant that no-one, not even the refs, know what goaltender interference is.

To be honest I’ve wondered why more teams don’t do this anyways in the last twenty seconds. Seriously, you are scrambling around, just tackle the guy. You likely aren’t touching the puck again, just neutralize someone.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Not every team approaches McDavid the way the Canucks do. There are a few teams, like the Canucks--the Kings too--whose strategy is often to do whatever they can to stop McDavid and essentially dare the refs to call the game by the book. The Canucks know the refs probably aren't going to call absolutely everything, and the calls they do make are worth the trade off. Sometimes it backfires, like against the Kings last year when the refs weren't having any of it, which is why the Kings were so mad at the refs during that playoff series, because they knew that was really their only workable strategy.

Anyways, the refs from last night are incompetent. The sequence between McDavid and Garland really began at the start of the game, when the Canucks held RNH and then tripped Nurse during their powerplay, which directly led to the goal. The rules of the game were set, and the Canucks knew they were going to get away with all manner of obstruction. They committed uncalled infractions all night.

It is the only way they can beat the Oilers, but if the refs are incompetents, it's a highly effective strategy. It is the only reason they won last night.

EDIT to add one more thing: I will never forget what Kerry Fraser said to Jason Gregor on his show a few years ago. He said, he always wanted the players to understand that the game was going to be called on his (i.e., Kerry Fraser's) terms. That said everything anyone needs to know about NHL reffing. Never mind the rule book; the refs themselves are the source of the rules. That's how they view themselves. And I wonder how narcissistic one has to be to think that way.

League also couldn’t let the Oilers leap frog Vegas and into 1st in the division.

Just shows how shitty the Canucks are. The Oilers have slept in their own beds once over the last 2 weeks and have criss-crossed all three time zones over that period, starting in Seattle, going to the east and finishing back on the west coast. Van still needed ref assistance to win.

 

[Fourier]

I think that cement block head parros will give McDavid 2 games b/c it has another Vancouver game in it.

He is a shit dman, but is Myers going to have a hearing too?

My guess is that they give both 2 games to keep them out of the game and to supposedly "keep tempers down". As if this has any basis in reality. But reality is often an afterthought in today's NHL.

 

[bellagiobob]

In context, if the ref's arm went up as soon as the hold was initiated, Oilers had possession. So Garland could keep holding McDavid down until possession was lost.. So nothing would have changed..

Heard a comment online that the refs have the discretion to blow the whistle even if the non offending team has possession and enforce the penalty. Not sure if that’s true or not.

 

[McBeastMode]

Heard a comment online that the refs have the discretion to blow the whistle even if the non offending team has possession and enforce the penalty. Not sure if that’s true or not.

That's only for Match penalties...


The Referee has the right to stop play immediately, regardless of which team is in possession of the puck, in the case of a Match penalty. The resulting face-off will take place in accordance with Rule 6.3

 

[CanadasTeam99]

If I am Edmonton and up a goal protecting an empty net with under 1 min left, I tell my guys to just start bear hugging everybody lol. Just keep doing it. At least 2 guys doing it. Tackle and just hold guys there. Make a mockery of it.

If a penalty is called, say post game "we thought that was ok"

 

[BlackDogg]

Part of me just wished Connor would do a tirade on the call and say he's out for the forseeable future. Hang up the phone. f***ing clown show. f*** their fore nations cup.

 

[bellagiobob]

 

[CROTT]

That's only for Match penalties...


The Referee has the right to stop play immediately, regardless of which team is in possession of the puck, in the case of a Match penalty. The resulting face-off will take place in accordance with Rule 6.3

The problem is only with the time remaining in the game, which should be irrelevant to how an obvious penalty should be called. They would have roughly been 17 seconds left when the refs should have called a penalty with the Oilers in possession of the puck. They may have played differently knowing that they’d get a whistle and a face off in the canucks zone with say 10 seconds left if the Canucks got a touch rather than have to chase the puck for an icing.

 

[soothsayer]

Love it. And I don't know who Rachel Doerrie is, but she slices and dices the NHL and hits the nail on the head. I can't imagine those two mouth breathing refs haven't seen some of this commentary and aren't just a little embarrassed. These guys are absolute incompetent narcissists.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

To be honest I’ve wondered why more teams don’t do this anyways in the last twenty seconds. Seriously, you are scrambling around, just tackle the guy. You likely aren’t touching the puck again, just neutralize someone.

We’d end up down 2 guys, refs would take their sweet time sorting out the calls, basically gifting another time out. We’d get screwed over if we tried this tactic.

 

[dssource]

I wish this incident with McDavid happened on the game before the stupid 4 nations garbage. Would have loved to see how the player assoc. reacted with that on the line. Probably would have ended up with a fine and no suspension so he could play.

 

[McShogun99]

In context, if the ref's arm went up as soon as the hold was initiated, Oilers had possession. So Garland could keep holding McDavid down until possession was lost.. So nothing would have changed..

It was a smart move by Garland with less than 20 seconds left. Mcdavid was probably trying to cross check him in the shoulder after and forgot he was a midget.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I love the reaction from former players.

This might turn into a positive folks. This is getting people to sh** on referees.

Lets see if the GOAT starts getting more calls. Legitimate calls. Somebody tell him to learn from the Canucks and start embellishing more.

Onto the next game. Vancouver is so irrelevant to us. They are 11 points behind us and needed help winning a game where we were DEAD TIRED> We average like 30 shots a game and mustered 15-17.

Lets worry about that cuck franchise/fans if they go on some big streak.

I hope CGY beats them out. Or Utah comes storming back

 

[OfCorsiDid]

It was a smart move by Garland with less than 20 seconds left. Mcdavid was probably trying to cross check him in the shoulder after and forgot he was a midget.

So what we’re just nullifying rules then?

Time to lobby the league that a holding penalty like that in the last minute of a game in a 6 on 5 situation should be either an immediate 5 on 3 (2 for interference/holding and 2 for delay of game) or an awarded goal.

Hell if that’s suddenly an ok play to tackle a guy then we should be able to two-hand each canuck on the ice in the teeth for free too. It’s a penalty just like what Garland did, so why should it matter any differently. Same with interference, we should be able to hit, trip, slash anyone in the 6 on 5.

 

[Ibanez]

as far im concerned, Luke Gazdic was right with his remarks after the canucks series.

Remind me what he said?

 

[Oilslick941611]

Remind me what he said?

 

[McFlyingV]

Easy solution if guys are going to take blatant penalties in the dying seconds to prevent a scoring chance is regulation gets extended into "penalty time" as long as the power play lasts.

 

[BlackDogg]

Is that a turtleneck or does Garland have whiplash from getting crosschecked in the head??.

Too soon I suppose.

 

[CROTT]

Easy solution if guys are going to take blatant penalties in the dying seconds to prevent a scoring chance is regulation gets extended into "penalty time" as long as the power play lasts.

Or penalty shot?

Atleast the Oilers had the respect and pride to not just hold Mackinnon in the last 20 seconds of the game against the Avs.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Easy solution if guys are going to take blatant penalties in the dying seconds to prevent a scoring chance is regulation gets extended into "penalty time" as long as the power play lasts.

Agreed. If not, why not just commit every infraction under the sun. Cant hurt you. Especially if your team doesn’t get possession.

 

[Mr Positive]

Good suspend him, give him a few games off to rest and reset. Force knob to abandon riding them as hard as he has been and get the rest of the team on a more even keel. Plus this is an opportunity for the Oil to expose some of the crap he’s dealing with.

Honestly don’t see a downside here.

Well it is always a downside not to have him, but I agree there's at least great consolation prizes here.

A bad consequence is that now McDavid will have repeat offender status for 18 months. (So by the letter of the law, he doesn't have repeat offender status at this moment, unless I'm forgetting a suspension from after 2023

 

[alphahelix]

I’d fully support that.

“I need to prioritize my NHL team and quite frankly I need to rest. It’s a grueling season with a lot of slashing, crosschecks, etc that go uncalled. I need to be ready for games that really matter.”

I would love it, because this tournament is a f***ing money-grab waste-of-time that means nothing, and because it would be true. f*** the NHL.

 

[BlackDogg]

I'll try not to ever make fun of Flames fans again. The Canuck fans make them seem like scholars and gentlemen. Cucks fans are literally from another planet on this stuff and appear to have the obsessiveness of all things Oilers to keep psychiatrists busy for a thousand years forth.

 

[rboomercat90]

Mickey mouse league led by a guy who doesn't even like hockey.

For over 30 years now. Incredible when you think about it.