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Post-Game Talk: Well we knew it would be a slog

To be fair, if Skinner lets that in (Kane) he is getting absolutely lynched on this board for it.
But wasn't it established last year that Bob's weakness is top shelf, especially glove hand? Isn't that where Kane aimed? Every goalie has a weak spot in their game, it's up to the opposing team to find it then take advantage of it. For some reason, too many on this team still go either 5 hole, down low, or are too slow to take the shot allowing him to get setup. They won't beat Bob that way. He's great down low and going side to side. They also need to be more consistent with traffic in front of the net, not only when they're on a PP. Some of their plays 2-1 or 3-1 so far have been pretty sad.
 
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I dont know if its the long change or what the reason is but this team has been terrible in the 2nd period so far in this series.
Watching this game I kept thinking that the team looked like it ran out of gas.
Mental mistakes all over the place.
Yeah, even the broadcasters (or was it the panel) mentioned the long Oiler shifts compared to the Cats. I wonder why Knobs is doing this, it doesn't seem to be working.
 
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I dont know if its the long change or what the reason is but this team has been terrible in the 2nd period so far in this series.
Watching this game I kept thinking that the team looked like it ran out of gas.
Mental mistakes all over the place.
Can't be the long change. Edmonton dominated OT1 in both games with the long change. To me it's just a lull of sloppy breakouts, lost board battles, and the inevitability that the Panthers are going to have some strong pushes just like the Oilers have absolutely hemmed the Panthers in for large parts of 4 or 5 periods through 2 games.

2 days off will be nice for them. Both teams playing with everything they have.

Still like the Oilers chances a lot. Feel like we had more high danger chances in both games just going off watching it live. Haven't actually looked at the stats, but Oilers have had chances to put up 7 or 8 on Bob in both games. Credit to him for making some big stops, but also discredit to the Oilers on not getting the puck up on at least 10 grade A cross ice chances through 2 games. Both Bouchard and Perry had uncontested looks last game with Bob sliding across only covering the bottom half and both missed their spot with an eternity to pick it. Need some better execution on those ones.
 
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Kris K has done the wrong thing with Jeff Skinner, everyone knows what he is, a goal scorer when he's with good players. You bring him in so you don't have to run Mcdavid/Drai into the ground on the same line/power play and try and win with one line.

He effectively fills that high end gap, but has to be with a Perry/kane on the other wing as a grinder.

Every time he's on the ice with the top 2 lines, he's getting points/goals.
 
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Can't be the long change. Edmonton dominated OT1 in both games with the long change. To me it's just a lull of sloppy breakouts, lost board battles, and the inevitability that the Panthers are going to have some strong pushes just like the Oilers have absolutely hemmed the Panthers in for large parts of 4 or 5 periods through 2 games.

2 days off will be nice for them. Both teams playing with everything they have.

Still like the Oilers chances a lot. Feel like we had more high danger chances in both games just going off watching it live. Haven't actually looked at the stats, but Oilers have had chances to put up 7 or 8 on Bob in both games. Credit to him for making some big stops, but also discredit to the Oilers on not getting the puck up on at least 10 grade A cross ice chances through 2 games. Both Bouchard and Perry had uncontested looks last game with Bob sliding across only covering the bottom half and both missed their spot with an eternity to pick it. Need some better execution on those ones.
No, I still think it's the long change.

Florida is more conservative with their pressure in OT due to energy levels, so there's less pressure on the long change than there is in period 2.

Of course, I don't think the long change is the only factor - but it is a significant one.
 
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We have not won a finals game against Florida where Skinner was negative in GSAx, and we have not lost a game where he was positive. This is using moneypucks GSAx. We had a 60% chance to win, and Skinner had a -0.84 GSAx and Bob had a +1.37. In game 1 the Oilers had a 62% change to win, Skinner had a +0.71 GSAx and Bob had a +0.65.

Basically the Oilers played pretty much the same and Skinner had a slightly off game, largely coming down to the winning goal. Whereas in game 1, Bob let in a somewhat weak goal against Arvidsson.

This series is going to come down to goaltending, full stop. This shouldn't be surprising to anybody.
I think Bob was better. He made a couple critical saves to keep the game 3-2 (though I don't think Bouchard got his A level wrister off nor was the other Oiler forward shot attempt was elite ... maybe Connor). In fairness to Skinner, 3 goals were off terrible team plays in front of him... the disaster shorthanded goal; OT winning goal off a brutal missed net shot attempt by Ekholm that created a breakaway; and another Panther goal going wide only to hit Bouchard and go in. No goalie stops the Jones wide open weak side PP finish with blown coverage. Oil beat themselves in this one more than Panthers earning it imo.

Now, I would like Skinner to get a stop on one of the Marchand breakaways. Rush goals are an absolute kryptonite for him. Overall though I don't think goaltending (so far) has been a significant mismatch that I personally feared. Even with these team breakdowns, the Oil were that close to a 2-0 series lead. This one hurts as much was preventable.
 
I think Bob was better. He made a couple critical saves to keep the game 3-2 (though I don't think Bouchard got his A level wrister off nor was the other Oiler forward shot attempt was elite ... maybe Connor). In fairness to Skinner, 3 goals were off terrible team plays in front of him... the disaster shorthanded goal; OT winning goal off a brutal missed net shot attempt by Ekholm that created a breakaway; and another Panther goal going wide only to hit Bouchard and go in. No goalie stops the Jones wide open weak side PP finish with blown coverage. Oil beat themselves in this one more than Panthers earning it imo.

Now, I would like Skinner to get a stop on one of the Marchand breakaways. Rush goals are an absolute kryptonite for him. Overall though I don't think goaltending (so far) has been a significant mismatch that I personally feared. Even with these team breakdowns, the Oil were that close to a 2-0 series lead. This one hurts as much was preventable.
Easier said than done but Ekholm knows you can’t miss the net if you’re shooting for the far side from that angle. You miss that shot and it usually ends up in a good scoring chance going the other way.
 
Easier said than done but Ekholm knows you can’t miss the net if you’re shooting for the far side from that angle. You miss that shot and it usually ends up in a good scoring chance going the other way.
I love Ekholm. But that's way too aggressive in the circumstance. All Oilers caught behind the puck and only a super human Draisaitl back check almost negated the worst case scenario. Thought the Oil over handled the puck a bit in OT where some straight line play with shots and net crashing forwards hunting rebounds might have kept Bob and Team shitstain off balance.

Easy for me to say from the cheap seats. Still can't shake this was more an Oil self loss than a Panthers win.
 
No, I still think it's the long change.

Florida is more conservative with their pressure in OT due to energy levels, so there's less pressure on the long change than there is in period 2.

Of course, I don't think the long change is the only factor - but it is a significant one.
Long change is only a factor because of how sloppy they've been with the puck in those periods. You'd have the same issues with the short change if you struggled that much to make a breakout pass and win board battles. They're holding on to pucks too long and making a lot of turnovers, some forced and some not. The only thing the long change amplifies is those mistakes when they start snowballing and now you have a lot of tired guys stuck on the ice.

I think it happening in the 2nd is pure coincidence. Edmonton has been the better team in both 1st periods (and by a mile in game 1), so you kind of have to expect a push by Florida after that.
 
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Some people on the main boards think the Panthers are better built for a longer series. Is this a fact? How confident are people here with the Oilers after yesterday? Genuine question.
Still quite confident. Don't really believe at all that the Panthers are built for a long series any better than the Oilers are. Panthers barely play their 4th line and that will catch up to them. I also think Edmonton has thrown more punishing hits in the series, and especially on Ekblad who on top of that is playing 30+ mins each game and taking abuse from shot blocks on top of that. The one last night in 2nd OT looked like it hurt.

McDavid and Draisaitl have played a ton, but the rest of their minutes are spread fairly evenly. The thing is McDavid doesn't really slow down unless he's injured. He played highest minutes of any forward last year in games 1-2 and then came out with his most productive games in games 3-5 to follow that up.

I guess we'll see, but I have no reason to believe that a longer series favours Florida outside of the fact they have a better goalie if it ends up going 7.
 
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Still quite confident. Don't really believe at all that the Panthers are built for a long series any better than the Oilers are. Panthers barely play their 4th line and that will catch up to them. I also think Edmonton has thrown more punishing hits in the series, and especially on Ekblad who on top of that is playing 30+ mins each game and taking abuse from shot blocks on top of that. The one last night in 2nd OT looked like it hurt.

McDavid and Draisaitl have played a ton, but the rest of their minutes are spread fairly evenly. The thing is McDavid doesn't really slow down unless he's injured. He played highest minutes of any forward last year in games 1-2 and then came out with his most productive games in games 3-5 to follow that up.

I guess we'll see, but I have no reason to believe that a longer series favours Florida outside of the fact they have a better goalie if it ends up going 7.
The Oilers also have some pretty good players that are fresh in the press box in Skinner and Stecher as well as bottom of the lineup players like Emberson, Jones and Ryan. Getting some fresh legs later in the series could end up making a difference.
 
I love Ekholm. But that's way too aggressive in the circumstance. All Oilers caught behind the puck and only a super human Draisaitl back check almost negated the worst case scenario. Thought the Oil over handled the puck a bit in OT where some straight line play with shots and net crashing forwards hunting rebounds might have kept Bob and Team shitstain off balance.

Easy for me to say from the cheap seats. Still can't shake this was more an Oil self loss than a Panthers win.
I agree. If they had played a perfect game and still lost, then that would be a cause for concern. Let's see if they continue the trend of improving as series go on.
 
So if you only make 3 sheets you shouldn't be expected to get the paddle down? or be able to move laterally? This whole line of thought confuses the shit out of me. Pickard makes <1 mill and can do those things. I am so confused by the defending of Stu with this rationale.
What’s makes it even more confusing is most of these same posters were proclaiming earlier this season that Stu should be getting Swayman money on his next contract. Out of one side of their mouths Stu can’t be blamed for anything because he doesn’t make any money. Out of the other side he deserves more than 8 million. Talk about having your cake and eating it too.
 
based on the fact that series are all about momentum and Florida has all the momentum now. Winning a big 2OT game, getting to come home in a building.
The fact that Edmonton is 4-9in the McDavid era in Sunrise. (2-5 in the past 3 years). We don’t play well in that building. The fact that our special teams are a problem, Florida has a great PK and PP.
The fact that the magic has work off our depth.

Now this team has shown that it can flip a switch. I mean technically best case is coming back with 2 wins but I think the chances of that are near nothing. The hope is a split but most likely is losing both.
lol yes the momentum changes when the other team wins. You have no point here.
 
lol yes the momentum changes when the other team wins. You have no point here.

I doubt there is any momentum anyways. Especially with these long breaks.

These are professional athletes. You pretty much only get into this position with ice in your veins mentally. I doubt these guys carry any thoughts game to game in terms of results. They simply reset, put the previous game behind them, and move on.
 
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I still can’t believe that went in…



Interesting view from there actually. I was at the game last night so I didn't actually see the goal all that well because it was on the far end.

Only reason that goes in is because Marchand whacks at the puck and gets very lucky, wedging his stick under Skinners and lifting the paddle.

Brutal luck for the Oil really.
 

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