Buffalo Bills Week 13: San Francisco (5-6) at Buffalo (9-2), 12/1, 8:20 PM, NBC and Peacock

Dubi Doo

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What a year it's been. What's encouraging is this team typically plays it's best football in December. They should beat the Rams and 9ers, but have a decent chance of dropping one of those. Detroit will be tough. Closing with the Pats x2 and the Jets. 12 wins seems to be the low bar. 13 wins seems reasonable. 14 wins is within reach. 15 is tough, but doable.
 
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Bored and a little under the weather. Looking at the draft and what I'd do, as of today and knowing things will change.

I think Beane needs to add a bevy of eventual starters. The team currently will not need to replace a lot of starters immediately. I looked at this draft through two lenses:
- Buffalo can afford to draft a lot of development players who have higher ceilings. McDermott is shy to play rookies anyway, so I don't think that'll effect the team much.
- Buffalo is winning the line of scrimmage aside from run defense. McDermott can afford to stack a bunch of rookie back-ups along both lines and let them develop for a year. Similar to the Eagles, the Bills can the transition in 1-2 years without missing a beat long the lines.

The depth of the draft is good, so having the additional picks will pay off. I'd look to try another trade down similar to what the Bills did for Coleman. I used PFF's board with a little bit of my own opinions.

1st pick: trade down and add a late 3rd. Pick in the 1st ten picks of the second round.

2A (around 40): Landon Jackson, DE Arkansas. I really like Jackson. He's a natural RE, which is good for a team like Buffalo. Greg Rousseau is a natural LE, so adding a player like Jackson could work for Buffalo. He gets to learn for a year and then eventually replace Epenesa. Jackson looks like a poor man's Aiden Hutchinson: tall, long arms, and really aggressive.

2B (around 50-55): Dontay Corleone, DT Cincinnati. This is the Alim McNeill make-up pick. Basham was picked over Creed Humphries and McNeill. Corleone is a fire hydrant of a NT and could really solidify the center of the Bills defense. Again, he gets a year behind Jones before being a starter.

2C (around 60-62): Charles Grant, OT William and Mary. I thought about Jonah Savaiinaea here, but I don't think he lasts this long despite where PFF ranks him. Grant is only 6-4 but has long arms (35") and quick feet. He's an explosive athlete who profiles as a Jason Peters-style LT. He's got a wrestling background and he's a member of the Tribe.... McDermott can't pass. He learns from Kromer, who molds him. The projection here is that Dawkins replaces Edwards as LG eventually, and Grant takes over at LT.

3 (around 80-100): Tory Horton WR Colorado State. Horton is the tall, lean downfield threat that the Bills offense could use. He's a X-style receiver who might drop in the draft due to some timely drops. I think that can be worked on, as he's also made some really impressive receptions. He's in the Christian Watson mold of deep receiver.

4A (around 110-120): Rod Moore S Michigan. Zone safety who can be developed behind Rapp. Smart and scheme versatile. Played in a ton of big games. He's not massive, but he's got great speed, fluid hips, and profiles as a McDermott defender with high character. Very instinctual player who can start on special teams.

4B (around 120-130): Harold Perkins Jr. LB LSU Like Terrell Bernard, he's basically a big safety playing linebacker. Buffalo sustains a lot of injuries to their linebackers because they are all undersized, fly-to-the-ball types. Perkins fits that profile, is smart, and played in a ton of big games. His stock is down but he's a good depth and special teams player who could eventually start (and will eventually start based on injuries).

4C (around 130-140): Jonah Monheim C USC Great athlete and very versatile. He's played LT for a full season, RT and RG for a full season, and now he's playing a full season at center. Smart, taller player who needs some development. Buffalo tends to like taller centers who aren't massive, and Monheim fits that mold.

5 (around 165-175): Tony Grimes CB UNLV Elite athlete who started his career at North Carolina. Transferred to Texas A&M but got hurt for the season, and then transferred to UNLV. Tall with elite timed speed. He's an off-ball zone corner who has been billed as a shutdown corner, but that never happened. He needs coaching and needs to play in a zone scheme.

6 (around 200-210): Nazir Stackhouse DT Georgia Projection pick. One of the few true 1T DTs in the draft. Stock is down because he's not a pass rusher. He's purely a double team take-on NT who needs a lot of work in passing situations. But he's smart, durable, and he's got NFL level power and anchor right now.

7 (around 240-250): Bryce Foster C Kansas Another projection pick. Former Texas A&M Aggie before transferring to Kansas. Billed as a bigger version of Creed Humphries, but his play never matched his elite athletic traits. Smart and durable, his RAS will be high. Needs coaching. If he ever plays to his athletic traits, he's a high-end starter. Another Kromer project.
 

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Bored and a little under the weather. Looking at the draft and what I'd do, as of today and knowing things will change.

I think Beane needs to add a bevy of eventual starters. The team currently will not need to replace a lot of starters immediately. I looked at this draft through two lenses:
- Buffalo can afford to draft a lot of development players who have higher ceilings. McDermott is shy to play rookies anyway, so I don't think that'll effect the team much.
- Buffalo is winning the line of scrimmage aside from run defense. McDermott can afford to stack a bunch of rookie back-ups along both lines and let them develop for a year. Similar to the Eagles, the Bills can the transition in 1-2 years without missing a beat long the lines.

The depth of the draft is good, so having the additional picks will pay off. I'd look to try another trade down similar to what the Bills did for Coleman. I used PFF's board with a little bit of my own opinions.

1st pick: trade down and add a late 3rd. Pick in the 1st ten picks of the second round.

2A (around 40): Landon Jackson, DE Arkansas. I really like Jackson. He's a natural RE, which is good for a team like Buffalo. Greg Rousseau is a natural LE, so adding a player like Jackson could work for Buffalo. He gets to learn for a year and then eventually replace Epenesa. Jackson looks like a poor man's Aiden Hutchinson: tall, long arms, and really aggressive.

2B (around 50-55): Dontay Corleone, DT Cincinnati. This is the Alim McNeill make-up pick. Basham was picked over Creed Humphries and McNeill. Corleone is a fire hydrant of a NT and could really solidify the center of the Bills defense. Again, he gets a year behind Jones before being a starter.

2C (around 60-62): Charles Grant, OT William and Mary. I thought about Jonah Savaiinaea here, but I don't think he lasts this long despite where PFF ranks him. Grant is only 6-4 but has long arms (35") and quick feet. He's an explosive athlete who profiles as a Jason Peters-style LT. He's got a wrestling background and he's a member of the Tribe.... McDermott can't pass. He learns from Kromer, who molds him. The projection here is that Dawkins replaces Edwards as LG eventually, and Grant takes over at LT.

3 (around 80-100): Tory Horton WR Colorado State. Horton is the tall, lean downfield threat that the Bills offense could use. He's a X-style receiver who might drop in the draft due to some timely drops. I think that can be worked on, as he's also made some really impressive receptions. He's in the Christian Watson mold of deep receiver.

4A (around 110-120): Rod Moore S Michigan. Zone safety who can be developed behind Rapp. Smart and scheme versatile. Played in a ton of big games. He's not massive, but he's got great speed, fluid hips, and profiles as a McDermott defender with high character. Very instinctual player who can start on special teams.

4B (around 120-130): Harold Perkins Jr. LB LSU Like Terrell Bernard, he's basically a big safety playing linebacker. Buffalo sustains a lot of injuries to their linebackers because they are all undersized, fly-to-the-ball types. Perkins fits that profile, is smart, and played in a ton of big games. His stock is down but he's a good depth and special teams player who could eventually start (and will eventually start based on injuries).

4C (around 130-140): Jonah Monheim C USC Great athlete and very versatile. He's played LT for a full season, RT and RG for a full season, and now he's playing a full season at center. Smart, taller player who needs some development. Buffalo tends to like taller centers who aren't massive, and Monheim fits that mold.

5 (around 165-175): Tony Grimes CB UNLV Elite athlete who started his career at North Carolina. Transferred to Texas A&M but got hurt for the season, and then transferred to UNLV. Tall with elite timed speed. He's an off-ball zone corner who has been billed as a shutdown corner, but that never happened. He needs coaching and needs to play in a zone scheme.

6 (around 200-210): Nazir Stackhouse DT Georgia Projection pick. One of the few true 1T DTs in the draft. Stock is down because he's not a pass rusher. He's purely a double team take-on NT who needs a lot of work in passing situations. But he's smart, durable, and he's got NFL level power and anchor right now.

7 (around 240-250): Bryce Foster C Kansas Another projection pick. Former Texas A&M Aggie before transferring to Kansas. Billed as a bigger version of Creed Humphries, but his play never matched his elite athletic traits. Smart and durable, his RAS will be high. Needs coaching. If he ever plays to his athletic traits, he's a high-end starter. Another Kromer project.
I’m biased but I’d use 2 of the day 3 picks on K Ryan Fitzgerald and P Alex Mastromanno from Florida State.
 
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Another step towards a complete house cleaning after the failed Aaron Rodgers experiment.

I feel like he was decent just whiffed on his QB pick, and dismantled their D line this offseason. Other than that, they were a mid-QB away from being a solid team. That falls on Douglas. Still, I think the Jets can and will do much worse than him.
 
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I feel like he was decent just whiffed on his QB pick, and dismantled their D line this offseason. Other than that, they were a mid-QB away from being a solid team. That falls on Douglas. Still, I think the Jets can and will do much worse than him.
Building out the OL with aging veterans past their prime was also a major failure that hampered the abillity of the offense to function on a consistently high level.
 
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I feel like he was decent just whiffed on his QB pick, and dismantled their D line this offseason. Other than that, they were a mid-QB away from being a solid team. That falls on Douglas. Still, I think the Jets can and will do much worse than him.
Why? His QB draft pick had a better Winning% with the Jets than the past his prime HOFer that ownership foisted on him.

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I feel like he was decent just whiffed on his QB pick, and dismantled their D line this offseason. Other than that, they were a mid-QB away from being a solid team. That falls on Douglas. Still, I think the Jets can and will do much worse than him.

I think worrying about weapons for your aging QB, rather than protecting him, shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how to build a football team. His poor attempt to build an OL did him in
 

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Bored and a little under the weather. Looking at the draft and what I'd do, as of today and knowing things will change.

I think Beane needs to add a bevy of eventual starters. The team currently will not need to replace a lot of starters immediately. I looked at this draft through two lenses:
- Buffalo can afford to draft a lot of development players who have higher ceilings. McDermott is shy to play rookies anyway, so I don't think that'll effect the team much.
- Buffalo is winning the line of scrimmage aside from run defense. McDermott can afford to stack a bunch of rookie back-ups along both lines and let them develop for a year. Similar to the Eagles, the Bills can the transition in 1-2 years without missing a beat long the lines.

The depth of the draft is good, so having the additional picks will pay off. I'd look to try another trade down similar to what the Bills did for Coleman. I used PFF's board with a little bit of my own opinions.

1st pick: trade down and add a late 3rd. Pick in the 1st ten picks of the second round.

2A (around 40): Landon Jackson, DE Arkansas. I really like Jackson. He's a natural RE, which is good for a team like Buffalo. Greg Rousseau is a natural LE, so adding a player like Jackson could work for Buffalo. He gets to learn for a year and then eventually replace Epenesa. Jackson looks like a poor man's Aiden Hutchinson: tall, long arms, and really aggressive.

2B (around 50-55): Dontay Corleone, DT Cincinnati. This is the Alim McNeill make-up pick. Basham was picked over Creed Humphries and McNeill. Corleone is a fire hydrant of a NT and could really solidify the center of the Bills defense. Again, he gets a year behind Jones before being a starter.

2C (around 60-62): Charles Grant, OT William and Mary. I thought about Jonah Savaiinaea here, but I don't think he lasts this long despite where PFF ranks him. Grant is only 6-4 but has long arms (35") and quick feet. He's an explosive athlete who profiles as a Jason Peters-style LT. He's got a wrestling background and he's a member of the Tribe.... McDermott can't pass. He learns from Kromer, who molds him. The projection here is that Dawkins replaces Edwards as LG eventually, and Grant takes over at LT.

3 (around 80-100): Tory Horton WR Colorado State. Horton is the tall, lean downfield threat that the Bills offense could use. He's a X-style receiver who might drop in the draft due to some timely drops. I think that can be worked on, as he's also made some really impressive receptions. He's in the Christian Watson mold of deep receiver.

4A (around 110-120): Rod Moore S Michigan. Zone safety who can be developed behind Rapp. Smart and scheme versatile. Played in a ton of big games. He's not massive, but he's got great speed, fluid hips, and profiles as a McDermott defender with high character. Very instinctual player who can start on special teams.

4B (around 120-130): Harold Perkins Jr. LB LSU Like Terrell Bernard, he's basically a big safety playing linebacker. Buffalo sustains a lot of injuries to their linebackers because they are all undersized, fly-to-the-ball types. Perkins fits that profile, is smart, and played in a ton of big games. His stock is down but he's a good depth and special teams player who could eventually start (and will eventually start based on injuries).

4C (around 130-140): Jonah Monheim C USC Great athlete and very versatile. He's played LT for a full season, RT and RG for a full season, and now he's playing a full season at center. Smart, taller player who needs some development. Buffalo tends to like taller centers who aren't massive, and Monheim fits that mold.

5 (around 165-175): Tony Grimes CB UNLV Elite athlete who started his career at North Carolina. Transferred to Texas A&M but got hurt for the season, and then transferred to UNLV. Tall with elite timed speed. He's an off-ball zone corner who has been billed as a shutdown corner, but that never happened. He needs coaching and needs to play in a zone scheme.

6 (around 200-210): Nazir Stackhouse DT Georgia Projection pick. One of the few true 1T DTs in the draft. Stock is down because he's not a pass rusher. He's purely a double team take-on NT who needs a lot of work in passing situations. But he's smart, durable, and he's got NFL level power and anchor right now.

7 (around 240-250): Bryce Foster C Kansas Another projection pick. Former Texas A&M Aggie before transferring to Kansas. Billed as a bigger version of Creed Humphries, but his play never matched his elite athletic traits. Smart and durable, his RAS will be high. Needs coaching. If he ever plays to his athletic traits, he's a high-end starter. Another Kromer project.
Going to need a starting corner if Douglas is not re-signed, whether thats FA or draft (or both). Does not look like it's Elam.

The Benford extension is going to be big time.
 

Dubi Doo

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If Milano can come back to form, this defense would get a huge boost. Bernard is a stud. I always felt the middle of our defense (Johnson, Milano, and Bernard) and our boundary corners (Benford and Douglas) were the strength of our defense. Let's hope they stay healthy these playoffs because we saw the difference Bernard makes when he's on the field against the Chiefs.
 
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ValJamesDuex

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If Milano can come back to form, this defense would get a huge boost. Bernard is a stud. I always felt the middle of our defense (Johnson, Milano, and Bernard) and out boundary corners (Benford and Douglas) was the strength of our defense. Let's hope they stay healthy these playoffs because we saw the difference Bernard makes when he's on the field against the Chiefs.
Playing time and usage is certainly going to get interesting isn't it ?
 

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