Post-Game Talk: We have a major Oil leak now

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Please enough with the "defensive numbers". Wheres the odd man breaks/60 metric? the uncontested chance metric?

You can say that Skinner has been streaky at best and has not made saves he should have made but let's not absolve the skater group for their lackidasical play in our end by propping them up with shot derived metrics.

I looked at the numbers on NTS and during the losing streak the xGA is around 4. Skinner needs to be better but he's far from the only one. The team looks completely lost. For all the talk about how the Oilers are "elite" at suppressing HDSC those numbers are really bad right now too.

 

[MoontoScott]

I didn’t see any tweets.

I did listen to the GYB pod today and they ran an audio clip from last nights media avail. He has zero awareness it seems.

I can see where the team could be frustrated with him. I mean, there’s balance between being positive and being myopic. At some point you have to own up to poor play. He’s seems unable to.

Goalies have always been an eccentric bunch but when you hear him speak...well...it does raise a few flags as to self awareness.

 

[bone]

Eh, to be fair a rather large part of that is strictly due to the extremely large 7-2 power play disparity.

Expected goals in game overall were 4.2 to 2.5 for Florida. At 5 on 5 they were 2.2 to 1.9 for Florida.

We had 0.5 xGF on our two PP opportunities; if we had 7 like the Panthers did and generated the same number of chances on those as we did our other two, we'd have generated 4.0 xGF.

For sure, but Penalties are part of the game and a committing that many penalties is part of the equation as to whether the team is playing well.

Perhaps the standard for calls was a bit inconsistent and Floriday got away with a few especially early, but it's hard to say any of the Oiler penalties were terrible calls and Edmonton deserved to be killing more often than Florida.

 

[Drivesaitl]

For sure, but Penalties are part of the game and a committing that many penalties is part of the equation as to whether the team is playing well.

Perhaps the standard for calls was a bit inconsistent and Floriday got away with a few especially early, but it's hard to say any of the Oiler penalties were terrible calls and Edmonton deserved to be killing more often than Florida.

Florida certainly got away with a lot. serial hacks on McD, Drai, Hyman particularly were allowed last game as if the rule book was differentially applied. Even on the Drai penalty the preceding was overlooked. Drai practically hooked into a penalty. The Oilers and bench were complaining about the calls too. There was a different threshold being applied.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Question

Why is Hyman only lately been back with McD? Like what happened? I remember lines being split to try different combos, but then Zac was all over the place.

Unlike some, I've been ok with most of KK coaching, but don't understand this.

Hyman work rate and consistency unquestionable. Despite less goals this year he's playing hard through his minutes. My own take is its a backhand to get some bottomsix or mid players going. To some extent there were moments. It was KK shaking things up, it wasn't demoting Hyman, it was utilizing his consummate work rate to hope it rubs off on some others. I could mention names.

 

[oobga]

Florida certainly got away with a lot. serial hacks on McD, Drai, Hyman particularly were allowed last game as if the rule book was differentially applied. Even on the Drai penalty the preceding was overlooked. Drai practically hooked into a penalty. The Oilers and bench were complaining about the calls too. There was a different threshold being applied.

Imagine the Oilers getting 2 powerplay calls after our players make huge embellishments to try to draw them while defending a 1 goal lead late in a game?

Yeah, I can't imagine it either.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Imagine the Oilers getting 2 powerplay calls after our players make huge embellishments to try to draw them while defending a 1 goal lead late in a game?

Yeah, I can't imagine it either.

Classic NHL game management. Panthers were folding pretty bad and having trouble protecting lead. Lets just give them two PP"s in last 3.5mins to help them sort it out.

lol even with 13secs left it was laughable. The Oilers had ownzone faceoff because pk, and they still got the breakout they wanted with Panthers f***ing up off a faceoff. The Panthers somehow lost contain there even after two timeouts to go through coverage.

Panthers had a lot of keystone moments and turnovers in game. Usuall at ill opportune times with our studs on ice.

 

[iCanada]

Classic NHL game management. Panthers were folding pretty bad and having trouble protecting lead. Lets just give them two PP"s in last 3.5mins to help them sort it out.

lol even with 13secs left it was laughable. The Oilers had ownzone faceoff because pk, and they still got the breakout they wanted with Panthers f***ing up off a faceoff. The Panthers somehow lost contain there even after two timeouts to go through coverage.

Panthers had a lot of keystone moments and turnovers in game. Usuall at ill opportune times with our studs on ice.

Of course then you have Skinner staying in the net.

 

[Missing smitty]

Please enough with the "defensive numbers". Wheres the odd man breaks against/60 metric? the uncontested chances against/60 metric?

You can say that Skinner has been streaky at best and has not made saves he should have made, and we should look for an upgrade, but let's not absolve the skater group for their lackidasical play in our end by propping them up with shot derived metrics.

Why would they try when the guy is letting in unscreened muffins from the top of the circles.

The biggest issue with this team is a lack of skill and effort from goaltender out. Skinner is bad and looks like he's barely trying. Why would they bust their asses when he isn't?

 

[K1984]

Why would they try when the guy is letting in unscreened muffins from the top of the circles.

The biggest issue with this team is a lack of skill and effort from goaltender out. Skinner is bad and looks like he's barely trying. Why would they bust their asses when he isn't?

Because they're professional hockey players in the best league in the world and not a bunch of teenagers at a part time job.

Both sides of this take are ridiculous. The first side thinking that they are consciously not working hard for no reason other than the goalie, and the second that you think that would be justified somehow.

 

[bone]

Because they're professional hockey players in the best league in the world and not a bunch of teenagers at a part time job.

Both sides of this take are ridiculous. The first side thinking that they are consciously not working hard for no reason other than the goalie, and the second that you think that would be justified somehow.

Precisely this. Professionals shouldn't just give up because they are frustrated with a teammate. If they did, they wouldn't be "professionals" for long or they'd be JT Miller.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Precisely this. Professionals shouldn't just give up because they are frustrated with a team. If they did, they wouldn't be "professionals" for long.

Wouldn't there be a sense of this being cumulative pain? Not like the team or certain players would just be frustrated due to recency events but ongoing with this org. Lets not forget either that Connor just got to spend two weeks with the national side replete with a bunch of players, almost all, that had already won their SC'(s). Imagine the cumulative frustration. One could palpably almost sense that as Connor refused to raised the cup above head or pump it up as is customary. Clear message being this isn't the one he'd always wanted.

I dunno, I'll say this too the Oilers core have about as professional a crew as any out there. Which star players in the league have been more consistent than McDrai, or even Ekholm on D, or Hyman with his work rate etc.

In anycase in team sports its not a case where teams CONSCIOUSLY give up. A lapse invariably occurs where the team is unconfident, where its game is unravelling, which happens to every pro sports team everywhere at times. unfortunately when the Oilers unravel the rare times hey do, the goaltending is almost never saving them.

 

[McFlyingV]

If I'm not mistaken the 4th goal was a bad bounce. Sure he didn't play it great, but it wasn't atrocious?

Yes it really was. That lateral mobility and reaction/recovery time is just laughable from an NHL goalie.

Typical Stuart "The Iceberg" Skinner pushing across his crease.

 

[Missing smitty]

Because they're professional hockey players in the best league in the world and not a bunch of teenagers at a part time job.

Both sides of this take are ridiculous. The first side thinking that they are consciously not working hard for no reason other than the goalie, and the second that you think that would be justified somehow.

They're still human beings. I'm not giving them the out, I'm giving a reason. The fact that you think they're robots is hilarious.

Never did I say it was ok, I said it's probably the reason. Skinner is the reason this team is sinking right now and he's pulling everyone down with them. People like you would be horrible to work with or for.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Of course then you have Skinner staying in the net.

Don't get me started.

 

[McFlyingV]

What a sad state of affairs when the team and some fans are looking at that game as an improvement or that the goalie lost them the game. Reality is that he was on the verge of stealing a game for them until he didn't. This team is broken.

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The team bailed his terrible goaltending out many times this year, and his goaltending cost them a lot of "Deserve to win O'meters" as lopsided or more lopsided than that in Edmonton's favour. Same goes for Pickard.

 

[Missing smitty]

Precisely this. Professionals shouldn't just give up because they are frustrated with a teammate. If they did, they wouldn't be "professionals" for long or they'd be JT Miller.

Lol, some of you are hilarious. Anything to not put every ounce of blame on the goalie.

This isn't a one off or a bad week. He's had 1 decent stretch of the season, that's it. They've chased game after game. He's dogshit and I bet a ton of them are sick of it.

I really hope I never have to work with or for you.

 

[K1984]

They're still human beings. I'm not giving them the out, I'm giving a reason. The fact that you think they're robots is hilarious.

Never did I say it was ok, I said it's probably the reason. Skinner is the reason this team is sinking right now and he's pulling everyone down with them. People like you would be horrible to work with or for.

Stuart Skinner is not the reason they no showed as a group straight out of the break no matter how much you would want it to be.

Believe it or not people seem to like working with and for me, and believe it or not it has absolutely nothing to do with what I post on a hockey forum. However, I would suspect that people would have a hard time working with clowns (you) the reflexively interpret difference of opinion as a personal attack.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Stuart Skinner is not the reason they no showed as a group straight out of the break no matter how much you would want it to be.

Believe it or not people seem to like working with and for me, and believe it or not it has absolutely nothing to do with what I post on a hockey forum. However, I would suspect that people would have a hard time working with clowns (you) the reflexively interpret difference of opinion as a personal attack.

They played just as terribly when Pickard started and I suspect it will be the same in tomorrow's game.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Please enough with the "defensive numbers". Wheres the odd man breaks against/60 metric? the uncontested chances against/60 metric?

You can say that Skinner has been streaky at best and has not made saves he should have made, and we should look for an upgrade, but let's not absolve the skater group for their lackidasical play in our end by propping them up with shot derived metrics.

How much of this is due to chasing games or figuring we need 5 goals for to get beyond Skinner level goaltending as he gives up easy goals on the simplest of wraps and not even being close to making the stop. Imagine a bench groaning at the goals, again, that Skinner gave up where the team had contain. Panthers lost contain just as many times last night and were arguably worse turning pucks over in own zone.

This as well is that odd man breaks don't always end up in the net. It just appears that here.

Lastly should I point out how many times the D or Selke forwards like Drai are bailing out our goaltending breaking up plays, scoring chances, getting puck out of harm. Drai saved multiple GA alone last night.

Can't speak for others but I'm not absolving the group, but I'm understanding how tiresome it is to have had subpar netminding for the vast majority of a decade and entire timeframe of McDrai.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Yes it really was. That lateral mobility and reaction/recovery time is just laughable from an NHL goalie.

Typical Skinner "The Iceberg" Skinner pushing across his crease.

He does have awful lateral movement

 

[K1984]

They played just as terribly when Pickard started and I suspect it will be the same in tomorrow's game.

They were playing poorly before Skinner fell off a cliff too. Also poorly in front of Pickard when he was playing well, as you mention.

The slide started after the comeback in Colorado, and it's just gotten gradually worse as time has lapsed.

 

[bone]

The team bailed his terrible goaltending out many times this year, and his goaltending cost them a lot of "Deserve to win O'meters" as lopsided or more lopsided than that in Edmonton's favour. Same goes for Pickard.

I agree. If you read future posts, I clarify that my intent isn't about defending Skinner as much as pointing that even in what appeared to be an improved performance by the team, they were still pretty bad.

 

[harpoon]

Listening to GYB now and Rishaug finally calling out Skinner but barely.

Yup. I heard it the same. Tentative criticism. I felt like he wanted to say more, but Strudwick wasn’t really having it. He was all ‘I’d like to see Ekholm get that stick tied up’. Sure Struddy.

And they played Skinner’s post game comments (where he sounds like he is high) and discussed at length. How could there be anything but a negative reaction to those comments? They were crazy. He actually snickered when he got to describing ‘the third goal’. It was a borderline troll interview. If I was in the stall beside him I’d want to punch him in the head. f*** Skinner. He needs to go.

 

[Missing smitty]

Stuart Skinner is not the reason they no showed as a group straight out of the break no matter how much you would want it to be.

Believe it or not people seem to like working with and for me, and believe it or not it has absolutely nothing to do with what I post on a hockey forum. However, I would suspect that people would have a hard time working with clowns (you) the reflexively interpret difference of opinion as a personal attack.

Lol, sure thing. Your opinion is just straight up wrong. You're free to be wrong, but your opinion is straight up wrong.

If you expect people to be perfect at all times and give 100% at every moment when guys around them are not trying, it's absolutely unreasonable. Maybe you don't feel this way in real life, if not, you're just trolling.