Post-Game Talk: We have a major Oil leak now

[ManOfSteelI]

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My intent wasn't to defend Skinner, it was to point out that the team still played like shit despite people trying to suggest it was an improvement.

This a wild stretch.

During any other tough stretch over the last few years, the analytics were generally still pretty favourable. This is a new low TBH.

 

[bone]

FWIW, NTS has the xGF at 4.22 for the Panthers yesterday.

Yeah, a lot of that was the PP time. The best I'll grant Edmonton is that they were better 5 on 5 than they were recently while still being on the wrong side of chances, but penalties are part of the game and if you're taking that many penalties it's contributing to the fact you're playing poorly.

It wasn't the best officiating, but so what, killing those penalties should have given the team some juice to come back at them 5 on 5 and they mostly just came back out after a PK the same as they went into it.

 

[RegDunlop]

I'm worried gentlemen.

 

[Arpeggio]

I'm worried gentlemen.

Me too. This is the worst I've seen the team play over a lengthy stretch in a long time. And it's the top of the lineup that is playing the worst. This team can't be successful if Nuge, Hyman, McDavid, Ekholm, Bouchard are all playing well below their standards.

Honestly, Hyman and Nuge have been completely invisible. Like make a play one time.

 

[RegDunlop]

Yeah, “scouts” have been saying that from day one because he’s not 6’5”. But he just makes saves. I’d be willing to bet he has a good NHL career, either here or somewhere else.

Havent watched much of him this year but I did before.
From that I got the feeling he could make the show perhaps but who knows after that.

The 3rd goal was unacceptable and the 4th was just atrocious. He was not better. The kid sucks right now, full stop.

Idk
I thought he was better until those. But not good enough.
That called back goal - he may as well have been on the bench

 

[K1984]

Me too. This is the worst I've seen the team play over a lengthy stretch in a long time. And it's the top of the lineup that is playing the worst. This team can't be successful if Nuge, Hyman, McDavid, Ekholm, Bouchard are all playing well below their standards.

Honestly, Hyman and Nuge have been completely invisible. Like make a play one time.

Bouchard has (deservedly) taken a lot of heat, but at this point it would be unfair to not mention that Ekholm has been as bad or even worse at times.

Bouchard is infamous for pizzas thrown up the middle, but Ekholm is the poster boy for the blind ripped puck up the wall in the D zone. Play that is just as bad if not worse. He just doesn't get the credit for it because usually those dumb plays kick of sequences where the puck ends in our net, but just not as quickly and obviously as the Bouch passes up the middle.

He's been guilty of a lot of poor plays at the offensive blue line and defending the rush as well.

 

[Murphinator]

This team is f***ing deep fried. Another L tomorrow and then another L probably to the Ducks as well.

 

[RegDunlop]

Klingberg is the least of our problems. If he ensures Brown never sees the ice outside of Bako and keeps Stecher in the press box he's worth is weight. He will only get better as he gets used to our system.

Idk
I've always like klingberg and agree with the shot given
But Troy Stecher has done everything asked - and beyond - of him.

Even if he's on the pine, I cheer for his name on the cup (if we ever manage another one)

 

[Arpeggio]

Bouchard has (deservedly) taken a lot of heat, but at this point it would be unfair to not mention that Ekholm has been as bad or even worse at times.

Bouchard is infamous for pizzas thrown up the middle, but Ekholm is the poster boy for the blind ripped puck up the wall in the D zone. Play that is just as bad if not worse. He just doesn't get the credit for it because usually those dumb plays kick of sequences where the puck ends in our net, but just not as quickly and obviously as the Bouch passes up the middle.

He's been guilty of a lot of poor plays at the offensive blue line as well.

He's looked slower this year for sure.

I'm concerned because I felt GREAT about last year's team at this point, I thought we were the best team in the league. I do not feel great about this year's team right now lol, and that was prior to this 5 game losing streak. We just look too old.

 

[RegDunlop]

Listening to GYB now and Rishaug finally calling out Skinner but barely. Rishaug saying "it seems like Skinner's lateral movement is just a little bit off". Uhhh, ya think? He's just realizing this? And then said "Am I being a little too hard on him". My god, it's like pulling teeth with these guys to give him even just a little bit of criticism. It's like Bizarro World with these guys.

And I say this as a guy who has tried to be Glass Half Full with Skinner the last few years but there's no defending him this season. There's just no defense left.

There isn't.
As a staunch supporter of the Cali Closet stache, I'm at 165 of a 180

I can see him in 6 years +- being in upper echelon, but could also see him going south. But that's irrelevant as his play is just not good enough currently.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I don't know if we can really say that Skinner is better than Georgiev. Georgiev can be great for stretches too. His stats atm are horrible, but he's on a horrible team. For most of the season, the Oilers have had amazing defensive numbers, and imo that propped up Skinner a lot. During that whole time Skinner's stats were below .900 until the very end of the stretch before this recent collapse. A good goalie would have .910-.920. And the advanced stats have been posted here and they back that up

What we are seeing from Skinner right now is who he really is, without the team in front clicking and limiting chances against. He's an .880 goalie who lucked out by being on a contender

Quality post. Nailed it.

 

[RegDunlop]

No doubt. I hated those goals as well (especially the 3rd, the 4th is also just a weird bounce). My point wasn't as much about defending Skinner as it is that they had no business being in the game in the first place yet somehow the feeling was that they played well, which is indicative of how bad they've been that yesterday looked good.

I agree. Felt same way

On the other hand, they usually come out of slumps and shit play with a game they were 'lucky' to win.
Thought this might be one of those games.

 

[Murphinator]

I hate skinners stupid f***ing face

 

[OilersaretheMcBest]

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this picture speaks a lot of words. You know you’re absolute shit when even Draisaitl can’t hold back his disgust anymore.

Is there a video of this?

 

[RegDunlop]

Question

Why is Hyman only lately been back with McD? Like what happened? I remember lines being split to try different combos, but then Zac was all over the place.

Unlike some, I've been ok with most of KK coaching, but don't understand this.

 

[Arpeggio]

Question

Why is Hyman only lately been back with McD? Like what happened? I remember lines being split to try different combos, but then Zac was all over the place.

Unlike some, I've been ok with most of KK coaching, but don't understand this.

I think they were hoping that Hyman could get Henrique's line going offensively 5on5. When Hyman was streaking (and Connor Brown was actually reasonably productive too), I'm guessing the thought process was that Hyman would raise the offensive output of the third line more than Brown would hurt the first line, resulting a net-gain. Of course, since doing that, both players have more or less disappeared offensively lol.

 

[MoontoScott]

Can it move laterally, left to right?

If so,
Pile ‘o garbage>> Skinner

Not sure if you listened to Skinner in the past game media avail, but I don’t know how the guy can find a helmet to fit his head. Absolutely zero recognition of where he can be better.

Was that post-game tweet I read for real or just a joke?

 

[iCanada]

What a sad state of affairs when the team and some fans are looking at that game as an improvement or that the goalie lost them the game. Reality is that he was on the verge of stealing a game for them until he didn't. This team is broken.

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Eh, to be fair a rather large part of that is strictly due to the extremely large 7-2 power play disparity.

Expected goals in game overall were 4.2 to 2.5 for Florida. At 5 on 5 they were 2.2 to 1.9 for Florida.

We had 0.5 xGF on our two PP opportunities; if we had 7 like the Panthers did and generated the same number of chances on those as we did our other two, we'd have generated 4.0 xGF.

 

[K1984]

He's looked slower this year for sure.

I'm concerned because I felt GREAT about last year's team at this point, I thought we were the best team in the league. I do not feel great about this year's team right now lol, and that was prior to this 5 game losing streak. We just look too old.

I still felt fine because I thought it was a perfect storm of illness, schedule, and fatigue that caused the uneven play, but we still mostly won in spite of it. Thought that a break was exactly what we needed and that we would come back rested and with more energy.

However, I managed to get fooled for about the 10th time with this group coming off of a break. This is just what we normally do - play like dumb, lazy, confused, entitled morons for no reason other than we had a bit of time between games. We have an addiction to lazy, entitled hockey and every extended break whether it's in season or off season effectively acts as a relapse.

Here are the laws of the land with this f***ing team, and nothing will ever break them:

Play after breaks, as described above.

Conventional wisdom does not apply. "They sucked last night, they'll come out hot tonight to respond; the other team is on the 2nd of a back to back and its their 3rd in 4, surely the Oilers will have the energy advantage; there's unfinished business, they'll start the season focused; they're only a point off the division lead, expect them to show up tonight, etc, etc." Basically any superlative that would logically result in good play from any other comparable team means that we're going to embarrass ourselves, and not seize the moment in any way whatsoever.

Games in select buildings and markets will result in D- efforts no matter what, no matter the quality of team. We usually find a way to no show every single season in Chicago, Montreal, and Columbus, and usually toss at least 6 points into the wind while doing it. This isn't to mention our complete inability to play competently against really any Eastern Conference opponent on the road. Off the top of my head, I think the Senators are about the only team we have any consistent success on the road against in the East. Normal teams recognize this and adapt, we just shrug our shoulders and wonder why it's all the same as last year.

Nothing can ever work all at once. Team stinks up front? Goalie is hot. Goalie stinks? Team is cooking in front of him. Leon is on fire? Connor is cold. Connor is on fire? Leon is cold. Pucks are going in? D can't do anything. D is steady? Can't score if our life depended on it. There will always be f***ing something that doesn't work.

There are likely more, but those are the big ones. Been this way through multiple coaches, multiple roster turnovers, etc. It's just what we do in Edmonton.

 

[iCanada]

This a wild stretch.

During any other tough stretch over the last few years, the analytics were generally still pretty favourable. This is a new low TBH.

The team has given up on Skinner tbh.

 

[Murphinator]

I still felt fine because I thought it was a perfect storm of illness, schedule, and fatigue that caused the uneven play, but we still mostly won in spite of it. Thought that a break was exactly what we needed and that we would come back rested and with more energy.

However, I managed to get fooled for about the 10th time with this group coming off of a break. This is just what we normally do - play like dumb, lazy, confused, entitled morons for no reason other than we had a bit of time between games. We have an addiction to lazy, entitled hockey and every extended break whether it's in season or off season effectively acts as a relapse.

Here are the laws of the land with this f***ing team, and nothing will ever break them:

Play after breaks, as described above.

Conventional wisdom does not apply. "They sucked last night, they'll come out hot tonight to respond; the other team is on the 2nd of a back to back and its their 3rd in 4, surely the Oilers will have the energy advantage; there's unfinished business, they'll start the season focused; they're only a point off the division lead, expect them to show up tonight, etc, etc." Basically any superlative that would logically result in good play from any other comparable team means that we're going to embarrass ourselves, and not seize the moment in any way whatsoever.

Games in select buildings and markets will result in D- efforts no matter what, no matter the quality of team. We usually find a way to no show every single season in Chicago, Montreal, and Columbus, and usually toss at least 6 points into the wind while doing it. This isn't to mention our complete inability to play competently against really any Eastern Conference opponent on the road. Normal teams recognize this and adapt, we just shrug our shoulders and wonder why it's all the same as last year.

Nothing can ever work all at once. Team stinks up front? Goalie is hot. Goalie stinks? Team is cooking in front of him. Leon is on fire? Connor is cold. Connor is on fire? Leon is cold. Pucks are going in? D can't do anything. D is steady? Can't score if our life depended on it. There will always be f***ing something that doesn't work.

There are likely more, but those are the big ones. Been this way through multiple coaches, multiple roster turnovers, etc. It's just what we do in Edmonton.

This is so real it hurts

 

[iCanada]

I hate skinners stupid f***ing face

I don't mind his face, I rather find issues with the consistently poor quality of his play.

 

[RegDunlop]

I think they were hoping that Hyman could get Henrique's line going offensively 5on5. When Hyman was streaking (and Connor Brown was actually reasonably productive too), I'm guessing the thought process was that Hyman would raise the offensive output of the third line more than Brown would hurt the first line, resulting a net-gain. Of course, since doing that, both players have more or less disappeared offensively lol.

Agree.
I'm sure that was the reason also but I'm more puzzled by why he wasn't put back on first line. Why it took so long.
We all suspected he wouldn't pot 50 but it looked like he was rounding into his goal scoring self

 

[brentashton]

Was that post-game tweet I read for real or just a joke?

I didn’t see any tweets.

I did listen to the GYB pod today and they ran an audio clip from last nights media avail. He has zero awareness it seems.

I can see where the team could be frustrated with him. I mean, there’s balance between being positive and being myopic. At some point you have to own up to poor play. He’s seems unable to.

 

[russ99]

I don't know if we can really say that Skinner is better than Georgiev. Georgiev can be great for stretches too. His stats atm are horrible, but he's on a horrible team. For most of the season, the Oilers have had amazing defensive numbers, and imo that propped up Skinner a lot. During that whole time Skinner's stats were below .900 until the very end of the stretch before this recent collapse. A good goalie would have .910-.920. And the advanced stats have been posted here and they back that up

What we are seeing from Skinner right now is who he really is, without the team in front clicking and limiting chances against. He's an .880 goalie who lucked out by being on a contender

Please enough with the "defensive numbers". Wheres the odd man breaks against/60 metric? the uncontested chances against/60 metric?

You can say that Skinner has been streaky at best and has not made saves he should have made, and we should look for an upgrade, but let's not absolve the skater group for their lackidasical play in our end by propping them up with shot derived metrics.