We Have A Gm Problem

[BHFAN92]

Can't see them being one of the worst teams in the league with Crosby, Malkin, Rust, Karlsson and Letang still there.

They are all old and often broken down and from rumor mill at least Rust, Karlsson, Letang are all on trade block before the draft...I think regardless if they finish bottom 5 uncle Gary finds a way to ensure Pitssburgh gets their next Lemieux/Crosby

 

[Toews2Bickell]

with news Penguins are going into full rebuild and sell off mode I thinks its foregone conclusion that McKenna to Penguins is happening.

even if the Pens tank the Hawks will still likely have at least a 5% chance at McKenna

 

[Hawkaholic]

They are all old and often broken down and from rumor mill at least Rust, Karlsson, Letang are all on trade block before the draft...I think regardless if they finish bottom 5 uncle Gary finds a way to ensure Pitssburgh gets their next Lemieux/Crosby

They had 80pts last year in a year where they were old, and broken down. And I could see Rust being traded, but the other 2, who would want them at this point at their salary/age?

 

[x Tame Impala]

Penguins will be in the gutter with us and the Sharks again.

 

[Crow]

Can't see them being one of the worst teams in the league with Crosby, Malkin, Rust, Karlsson and Letang still there.

I think Malkin and Letang are going to be pretty average players this year, maybe worse.

Won’t be surprised if Malkin puts up about 40 points in however many games he plays.

 

[Deputy McRizzy]

I think Malkin and Letang are going to be pretty average players this year, maybe worse.

Malkin will turn 39 next month and Letang so a pretty decent dip in point production last year. Wouldn't be surprising at all if next year is the year they both fall off a cliff and ends up being their last years in the league. I'd be shocked if they were even average next year.


EK is 35 with only 2 more years under contract. I wonder with retention what they could get for him and if a team like Anaheim, Detroit, or Columbus would be interested.

 

[Castle8130]

To Toronto: 25th OA, Roman Kantserov rights, and Florida's 2026 1st

To Chicago: Matthew Knies RFA rights



If Toronto can't sign Knies, that package is better than the offer-sheet compensation of 2 1sts, 2026 2nd, and 2026 3rd.

 

[cassac]

To Toronto: 25th OA, Roman Kantserov rights, and Florida's 2026 1st

To Chicago: Matthew Knies RFA rights



If Toronto can't sign Knies, that package is better than the offer-sheet compensation of 2 1sts, 2026 2nd, and 2026 3rd.

Pretty sure that the Leafs sign Knies. He said he wants to be there and they are getting rid of two $10 million contracts this season.

 

[WarriorofTime]

One like nill's,

Aka “just draft all the best players at the available draft slot”.

Yeah sounds great. Not a plan, more like a result.

Predictably, the rest is just vague platitudes and non-answers.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Pretty sure that the Leafs sign Knies. He said he wants to be there and they are getting rid of two $10 million contracts this season.

Yeah he’s higher priority than Marner or Tavares. They’re going to get a deal done. Fun to speculate but he’ll be back in Toronto.

 

[Giovi]

They are all old and often broken down and from rumor mill at least Rust, Karlsson, Letang are all on trade block before the draft...I think regardless if they finish bottom 5 uncle Gary finds a way to ensure Pitssburgh gets their next Lemieux/Crosby

The draft lottery is literally conducted in public by a highly reputable accounting firm. It is not, and never has been, fixed.

Anyone who thinks otherwise probably believes in chem trails and the second shooter on the grassy knoll as well.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Didnt Stan try that? And completely failed? lol What tells you that this team could be anything like the Stars or the old Bruins with, let me see, old Kane, Debrincat, Hagel, and Dach? lol This team would be picking 6th last every year with limited cap space and nothing in the cupboard compared to what we have.

It’s Doug lmao he just wants the team to be mediocre and stuck in no man’s land like Detroit is right now

 

[hockeydoug]

Didnt Stan try that? And completely failed? lol What tells you that this team could be anything like the Stars or the old Bruins with, let me see, old Kane, Debrincat, Hagel, and Dach? lol This team would be picking 6th last every year with limited cap space and nothing in the cupboard compared to what we have.

Chicago tried for what, 1 full year? Detroit tried for 2.

The Hawks had more capspace opening up in 3 years (at the time) than the Bruins or Stars did. Given the Beach mess, a pull back was inevitable and this projection that the only answer was all picks right away is nonsense. If Toronto proved anything over the years is that you can get crazy trying to win an still pick at number 2.

It wasn't a binary choice of win now or sell everything or else you would be in purgatory.

Your recommendation paths are literally failures ... those are not successes, how do you not get that? Recommend follow the only outlier of some success by Dallas, is also absurd. Nill is a unique who was really one of the top scout reasons for Detroits era, but his method has left a team without the top high end enough talent to win it all. He tried going big for Rantanen which was a boost. But if Nill tanked in 13 when he took over, they may have gotten way better results now. But as other say, it makes zero sense how in 2022 that could or been the path.

Dallas CF 3 years in a row without the advantages of major market franchises. That's a contender. No way does he notch 12 playoff series wins if he stripped down to the studs or close to them for an extended tank when he started. Despite all the advantages of timing and resources, Chicago only has 14 series wins in the cap era by comparison.

Winning a lot of playoff series is really hard except to fans I guess.

When he was "expert scout" guy, only 7 or 8 franchises were spending on large scouting departments and it was obvious that advantage waned a few years after the lockout.

Detroit spent too much immediately, when is this kids who don't know how to win leading kids time? When Yzerman took over, their fans and all said look at his moves hes adding, we arent tanking. Even their last place year. Then, Detroit keep players/added vets always. They didnt wait and overract, they never just let it be the rebuild it needed to be. Detroit should of sold off pieces right away that they winded up selling later. Like Bertuzzi, mantha, etc. I even thought they should of sold Larkin. If they actually did a tear down and had more higher end talent they'd be exactly where they are right now, but with higher end talent on the way along with the Raymond/Seiders. I've never been pro people blaming Yzerman for not making the playoffs yet because it's the opposite, they rushed too quick to try to make the playoffs is their bigger issue.

Detroit never should have anointed Yzerman the gm before he even took the job in TB. Most overrated executive in hockey since he hung up the skates. He executed badly by reacting to a low scoring year and has been chasing for 2 years. Detroit stripped down to the studs and overhauled the entire organization, including the stadium, bigger rebuild than Chicago. They had 44 picks in 4 years (but only 12 in the top 50), so it was definitely a similar rebuild outside of clogging up the system.

KD went for 2oa with who knows how many assets and Guentzel last year, so let's stop pretending he's committed to the oversimplified video game type rebuild fans keep claiming is a good idea.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Guess we should trade our 3 cup wins and 2 WCF appearances for Dallas and their cup appearance and 4 WCF appearances since they won 2 whole more playoff series than us in the cap era

 

[ColbyChaos]

We really do have a fan problem lmao

 

[ClydeLee]

Chicago tried for what, 1 full year? Detroit tried for 2.

The Hawks had more capspace opening up in 3 years (at the time) than the Bruins or Stars did. Given the Beach mess, a pull back was inevitable and this projection that the only answer was all picks right away is nonsense. If Toronto proved anything over the years is that you can get crazy trying to win an still pick at number 2.

It wasn't a binary choice of win now or sell everything or else you would be in purgatory.

Dallas CF 3 years in a row without the advantages of major market franchises. That's a contender. No way does he notch 12 playoff series wins if he stripped down to the studs or close to them for an extended tank when he started. Despite all the advantages of timing and resources, Chicago only has 14 series wins in the cap era by comparison.

Winning a lot of playoff series is really hard except to fans I guess.

When he was "expert scout" guy, only 7 or 8 franchises were spending on large scouting departments and it was obvious that advantage waned a few years after the lockout.

Detroit never should have anointed Yzerman the gm before he even took the job in TB. Most overrated executive in hockey since he hung up the skates. He executed badly by reacting to a low scoring year and has been chasing for 2 years. Detroit stripped down to the studs and overhauled the entire organization, including the stadium, bigger rebuild than Chicago. They had 44 picks in 4 years (but only 12 in the top 50), so it was definitely a similar rebuild outside of clogging up the system.

KD went for 2oa with who knows how many assets and Guentzel last year, so let's stop pretending he's committed to the oversimplified video game type rebuild fans keep claiming is a good idea.

You seem to be the one who thinks there is 1 way to success while repeatedly accusing others of that.

You constantly seem more focused on Ownership and their impact. So i guess if you consider winning series and earning money bigger successes, yeah it is for owners. Who cares if the ownership group is stable? That only should matter for a few owership groups. Fans should demand higher expectations than caring about playoff series wins. Its about building a real contender.

I also tangentially don't get the codeo game logic criticism. Plenty of people default that, but when does ANYONE ever that would of played a video game NHL gm mode... like tank in a video game... why? Who would play that way. The Golden Knights are actually what are a model for how people act in a video game manner. Saying zero regard for loyalty and trading prospects with high value for now talent. Thats the analogy.

Still unclear what about Dallas/Boston, if you're not even willing to praise Nill, so how do you actually get apparently the great scouting? You seem to just want a team to win to win. And think big market means you should spend in UFA or trade assets for talent with no real contender concerns, just to win playoff rounds? I dont think you care to want teams to be real contenders, just be what some call playoff hell, never out of the playoffs but never with a shot at the cup. Do you think that is a good thing to be at?

 

[Toews2Bickell]

We really do have a fan problem lmao

people are bored with the rebuild

 

[Hawkaholic]

Chicago tried for what, 1 full year? Detroit tried for 2.

The Hawks had more capspace opening up in 3 years (at the time) than the Bruins or Stars did. Given the Beach mess, a pull back was inevitable and this projection that the only answer was all picks right away is nonsense. If Toronto proved anything over the years is that you can get crazy trying to win an still pick at number 2.

It wasn't a binary choice of win now or sell everything or else you would be in purgatory.

Cap space for what? You don't get Star players in UFA, so what are we spending money on, exactly? There's never been a team to buy their core in UFA, ever. Debrincat is a nice complimentary player, Kane isn't carrying any team, anywhere, Dach sucks, Hagel is great, but would he be on a lowly Chicago team? Doubt it.

You wanted to sit in the 6-13 last range and just pray you make some deep 1st round picks that turn into stars? Lol ok

 

[TheFridge]

One like nill's, or even Sweeney's/Neely's. One that doesn't involve building primarily from one part of the total bundle of assets after gutting everything. Even a staggered path of 2 years down, push really hard and if it flops take another year or 2 down, but don't submerge yourself in losing to the point nobody knows what expecting to win looks like.

Know what you can do before just doing stuff would be a good start, especially when the franchise was a giant pit of flaming tires following the Beach thing. They ignored that step and just started throwing stuff to the wall for picks.

So the path that Nill took, which was get extremely lucky in the draft? Sweeney's path? Which was retooling around Marchand/Bergeron while also getting extremely lucky in the draft?

They tore the team down because it was the quickest way up. They had a bottom-10 team with a bottom-10 prospect pool. There was no other way that would have made sense. Would you rather they had kept DeBrincat, Dach and Hagel? To what end? Those guys weren't good enough to help CHI get into the playoffs with Toews and Kane, what were they going to do when Toews and Kane were gone and that bottom-10 prospect pool yielded no impact players ascending to the roster?

 

[ColbyChaos]

So the path that Nill took, which was get extremely lucky in the draft? Sweeney's path? Which was retooling around Marchand/Bergeron while also getting extremely lucky in the draft?

They tore the team down because it was the quickest way up. They had a bottom-10 team with a bottom-10 prospect pool. There was no other way that would have made sense. Would you rather they had kept DeBrincat, Dach and Hagel? To what end? Those guys weren't good enough to help CHI get into the playoffs with Toews and Kane, what were they going to do when Toews and Kane were gone and that bottom-10 prospect pool yielded no impact players ascending to the roster?

We would have enjoyed “competitive” hockey and picked 7th and Doug would see no issues at all with being mediocre.

 

[Hull2Roenick2Kane]

They are all old and often broken down and from rumor mill at least Rust, Karlsson, Letang are all on trade block before the draft...I think regardless if they finish bottom 5 uncle Gary finds a way to ensure Pitssburgh gets their next Lemieux/Crosby

I thought this was just bluster honestly, but seeing how the same exact firm covers both lotteries for the NHL and the NBA and seeing how badly the drafts have been going all the way back to the Penny Hardaway draft in the NBA I think the draft is another part of storytelling that sports wants to direct.

 

[Hull2Roenick2Kane]

The draft lottery is literally conducted in public by a highly reputable accounting firm. It is not, and never has been, fixed.

Anyone who thinks otherwise probably believes in chem trails and the second shooter on the grassy knoll as well.

you should really look into JFK facts. its changed quite a bit recently.

 

[Callidusblackhawk]

I thought this was just bluster honestly, but seeing how the same exact firm covers both lotteries for the NHL and the NBA and seeing how badly the drafts have been going all the way back to the Penny Hardaway draft in the NBA I think the draft is another part of storytelling that sports wants to direct.

If the NHL draft was rigged McDavid would be a Bruin or a Leaf. f*** storytelling lol sticking the future face of the league in Edmonton is crazy.

 

[Giovi]

you should really look into JFK facts. its changed quite a bit recently.

Declassified JFK Papers Reveal Intelligence Operations and Secrets

While shedding no new light on President John F. Kennedy’s assassination, the latest document release offers insight into espionage in that era.

news.virginia.edu

I guess it has, if you're getting your "facts" from Youtube instead of reliable, verified sources.

 

[BHFAN92]

I thought this was just bluster honestly, but seeing how the same exact firm covers both lotteries for the NHL and the NBA and seeing how badly the drafts have been going all the way back to the Penny Hardaway draft in the NBA I think the draft is another part of storytelling that sports wants to direct.

Dallas make huge super controversial trade of Luka to LA Lakers..Miraculously Dallas gets 1st overall to take Flagg...hmmm..maybe just stop doing a draft all together and just put a tiered draft in its place