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They didn't pick Levshunov to be a better NCAA player than Buium. They drafted him to be the best NHL D from the draft. It's will never not be funny when Hawks fans compare Lev to guys the Hawks could have drafted, whether it was Demidov -- the 4th best forward in the draft according to 3 other NHL teams -- or a guy like Buium, who had so many believers amongst NHL scouts and execs that he was the 6th D taken...'

Sorenson was an interim coach. At least he wasn't actively stifling Bedard (or any of the other young players).

TJ Brodie was a bad contract. It's getting bought out. It doesn't and didn't matter.

Would Kane even have stayed? Assuming the Hawks wanted to keep him. The team was gutted and the gutting was necessary.

Davidson is the GM. Faulkner is the president of the business side. Do you think Davidson could fire her? What?
Everything you said is totally fair and better thought out than any of the KD supporters I have read. Buium vs Levshunov projection is a really nuanced and interesting conversation, but most of my feel there was that Buium was not thoroughly enough considered because KD was obsessed with following Levshunov around the Big10 circuit. Buium had more refined skills and hockey sense than Levshunov in draft year, but I understand an argument that "Levshunov could develop to become a better player vs Buium and Lev was on this incredible development curve (and still is)".

I still can't really wrap my head around Sorenson horrendous game management but I think KD had some kind of influence over saying "hey lean on Derek King maybe for in game stuff and don't be a zombie when refs hose us?" Not overly concerned on Kane or Brodie but GM's do have some responsibility to serve red meat to fans and I don't think he even explored Kane thing because he wanted a blank sheet, which is fine.

"collaborator" is a cheap insult and I guess what I am trying to convey there is that Wirtz brought in Faulkner and Davidson both and I am skeptical of his decision making and that skepticism compliments my skepticism of KD.
 
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If Buium was right handed, he may have been the pick. The Hawks and many other teams have plenty of left handed defensemen and not enough right handed defensemen. Levshunov is right handed. It may not be the end all be all, but has to be considered when making the pick.

I also think that Buium is clearly a better player right now but Levshunov has a higher ceiling.
 
They didn't pick Levshunov to be a better NCAA player than Buium. They drafted him to be the best NHL D from the draft. It's will never not be funny when Hawks fans compare Lev to guys the Hawks could have drafted, whether it was Demidov -- the 4th best forward in the draft according to 3 other NHL teams -- or a guy like Buium, who had so many believers amongst NHL scouts and execs that he was the 6th D taken...'

Sorenson was an interim coach. At least he wasn't actively stifling Bedard (or any of the other young players).

TJ Brodie was a bad contract. It's getting bought out. It doesn't and didn't matter.

Would Kane even have stayed? Assuming the Hawks wanted to keep him. The team was gutted and the gutting was necessary.

Davidson is the GM. Faulkner is the president of the business side. Do you think Davidson could fire her? What?
brodie only portion of his buyout that can be a buyout is $775? 2.45 of his 3.25 is signing bonus.
 
brodie only portion of his buyout that can be a buyout is $775? 2.45 of his 3.25 is signing bonus.
So what. It's not our money. He'll be gone, his roster spot will be available for someone better, and the dead money and cap space will help them reach the floor if anything. It certainly won't keep them from being able to do anything.
 
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So what. It's not our money. He'll be gone, his roster spot will be available for someone better, and the dead money and cap space will help them reach the floor if anything. It certainly won't keep them from being able to do anything.
you could also waive him and send him to Rockford
 
This whole argument is self fufilling. Show me a GM for ANY team (any sport for that matter) and I can Cherry Pick some decisions that didn't pan out.

Watch me defend KFC:

Drafting: From 2015-2020 Players the hawks drafted with more than 100 games played in NHL
2015 Dennis Gilbert
2016 Alex Debrincat
2017 Henri Jokihiru, Ian Mitchel
2018 Philip Kurashev, Adam Boquist
2019 Kirby Dach, Alex Vlasic
2020 Lukas Reichel

9 Total guys in 6 drafts - I would consider this a whole lot of shitting in the bed. Other than Debrincat and Vlasic everything else is mehhh.

KFC already has one with one closing in on 100 very quickly:
Bedard and Korchinski.

Trades: He did the impossible by moving Seth Jones when many on this board thought the contract was unmovable.

He did acquired goalie Petr Mrázek and a first-round pick in the 2022 NHL Draft (No. 25 – Sam Rinzel) from Toronto for a second-round pick (No. 38).
Sorry Musto -
He did acquired forwards Nick Foligno and Taylor Hall from Boston for defensemen Ian Mitchell and Alex Regula.

As a matter of fact here is his whole history:

I would argue a whole lot more wins than losses:




  • On Nov. 6, 2022, Davidson fired head coach Jeremy Colliton and assistant coaches Tom Mitell and Sheldon Brookbank. Derek King was named interim head coach.
  • On June 27, 2022, the Blackhawks named Luke Richardson their new head coach.
  • On July 11, 2022, the Blackhawks named Derek King and Kevin Dean assistants on Richardson’s staff.
  • On Aug. 1, 2022, the Blackhawks named Derek Plante an assistant on Richardson’s staff.
  • On Dec. 5, 2024, Davidson fired head coach Luke Richardson. Anders Sorensen was named interim head coach.
  • On May 22, 2025, the Blackhawks named Jeff Blashill as their new head coach.
  • On May 27, 2025, the Blackhawks named Anders Sorensen and Michael Peca assistants on Blashill’s staff.

Kyle Davidson has been responsible for the Blackhawks draft since 2022.


  • November 28, 2021 – lost F Adam Gaudette off waivers (Ottawa).
  • July 10, 2022 – placed F Brett Connolly on waivers for purpose of buyout (cleared).
  • July 10, 2022 – placed F Henrik Borgstrom on waivers for purpose of buyout (cleared).
  • October 10, 2022 – claimed D Jarred Tinordi off waivers from the New York Rangers.
  • March 8, 2023 – placed F Pavel Gogolev on waivers for purpose of contract termination (cleared).
  • June 29, 2023 – placed F Josh Bailey on waivers for purpose of buyout (cleared).
  • November 30, 2023 – placed F Corey Perry on waivers for purpose of contract termination (cleared).
  • January 3, 2023 – claimed D Jaycob Megna off waivers from the Seattle Kraken.
  • January 6, 2023 – claimed F Zach Sanford off waivers from the Arizona Coyotes.
  • March 8, 2024 – lost F Boris Katchouk off waivers (Ottawa).

  • July 23, 2023 – F Philipp Kurashev awarded two-year, $2.25 million AAV contract.

Dec. 2, 2021 – traded G Malcolm Subban to Buffalo for future considerations.
Dec. 9, 2021 – traded D Chad Krys to Toronto for F Kurtis Gabriel.
Jan. 5, 2022 – traded F Alex Nylander to Pittsburgh for F Sam Lafferty.
March 18, 2022 – traded F Brandon Hagel with a 4th round pick (No. 104 – subsequently traded to LA) in 2022 and a 4th round pick in the 2024 NHL Draft to the Tampa Bay Lightning for forwards Boris Katchouk and Taylor Raddysh and Tampa’s 1st round picks in 2023 (No. 19 – Oliver Moore) and 2024 (No. 20 overall – subsequently traded to NYI).
March 21, 2022 – traded G Marc-André Fleury to Minnesota for a 2nd round pick (No. 57 – Ryan Greene) in 2022.
March 21, 2022 – traded F Ryan Carpenter to Calgary for a 5th round pick in 2024 (No. 138 – Joel Svensson).
July 7, 2022 – traded F Alex DeBrincat to the Ottawa Senators for a 1st round pick (No. 7 – Kevin Korchinski) and 2nd round pick (No. 39 – Paul Ludwinski) in the 2022 NHL Draft and a 3rd round pick in the 2024 NHL Draft (No. 72 – AJ Spellacy).
July 7, 2022 – traded F Kirby Dach to the Montreal Canadiens for a 1st round pick (No. 13 – Frank Nazar) and 3rd round pick (No. 66 – Gavin Hayes) in the 2022 NHL Draft.
July 7, 2022 – traded a 2nd round pick (No. 38 – Fraser Minten) to the Toronto Maple Leafs for G Petr Mrázek and a 1st round pick (No. 25 – Sam Rinzel) in the 2022 NHL Draft.
July 8, 2022 – traded a 6th round pick (No. 167 – Nolan Collins) to the Pittsburgh Penguins for F Liam Gorman.
July 8, 2022 – traded a 3rd round pick (No. 94 – Jeremy Langlois) to the Arizona Coyotes for a 3rd round pick in the 2023 NHL Draft (No. 93 – Jiri Felcman).
Oct. 7, 2022 – traded D Riley Stillman to the Vancouver Canucks for F Jason Dickinson and a 2nd round pick in the 2024 NHL Draft (No. 61 – subsequently traded to NYI).
Oct. 26, 2022 – traded D Nicolas Beaudin to the Montreal Canadiens for F Cameron Hillis.
Oct. 26, 2022 – traded F Evan Barratt to the Philadelphia Flyers for D Cooper Zech.
Feb. 22, 2023 – traded future considerations to the Ottawa Senators for D Nikita Zaitsev, a 2nd round pick in the 2023 NHL Draft (No. 44 – Roman Kantserov) and a 4th round pick in the 2026 NHL Draft.
Feb. 23, 2023 – traded F Josiah Slavin to the Anaheim Ducks for F/D Hunter Drew.
Feb. 26, 2023 – traded D Jack Johnson to the Colorado Avalanche for D Andreas Englund.
Feb. 27, 2023 – traded D Jake McCabe (50% salary retained) and F Sam Lafferty with a 2024 conditional 5th round pick (No. 151 – Miroslav Holinka) and 2025 conditional 5th round pick to the Toronto Maple Leafs for Fs Joey Anderson and Pavel Gogolev, a conditional 1st round pick (top-ten protected) in 2025 and a 2nd round pick in 2026.
Feb. 28, 2023traded F Patrick Kane (50% salary retained) and D Cooper Zech to the New York Rangers for a second-round pick in the 2023 NHL Draft (No. 55 – Martin Misiak), a fourth-round pick in the 2025 NHL Draft, defensemen Andy Welinski (from NYR) and Vili Saarijarvi (from ARI). (Arizona received a pick from NYR to retain 25% of Kane’s cap hit.)
March 2, 2023 – traded future considerations to the Buffalo Sabres for F Anders Bjork.
March 2, 2023 – traded F Dylan Sikura to the Anaheim Ducks for F Max Golod.
March 2, 2023 – traded F Max Domi and G Dylan Wells to the Dallas Stars for G Anton Khudobin and a second-round pick in the 2025 NHL Draft.
March 3, 2023 – traded future considerations to the Los Angeles Kings for F Austin Wagner.
June 26, 2023 – traded Ds Ian Mitchell and Alec Regula to the Boston Bruins for F Taylor Hall and the rights to F Nick Foligno.
June 29, 2023 – traded future considerations to the New York Islanders for F Josh Bailey.
June 29, 2023 – traded a 7th round pick in the 2024 NHL Draft to the Tampa Bay Lightning for the rights to F Corey Perry.
June 29, 2023 – traded a 2nd round pick (No. 51 – Carson Bjarnason) in the 2023 NHL Draft to the Philadelphia Flyers for a 2023 6th round pick (No. 167 – Milton Oscarson) and a 2nd round pick in the 2024 NHL Draft (No. 54 – subsequently traded to NYI).
Nov. 28, 2023 – traded a 5th round pick in the 2024 NHL Draft (No. 131 – Colton Roberts) to the Vancouver Canucks for F Anthony Beauvillier.
Jan. 6, 2024 – traded a conditional seventh-round pick in the 2026 NHL Draft to the Pittsburgh Penguins for forward Rem Pitlick.
March 7, 2024 – traded F Anthony Beauvillier to the Nashville Predators for a 5th round pick in the 2024 NHL Draft (No. 151 – Miroslav Holinka) (pick transferred to TOR as part of McCabe/Lafferty trade).
May 24, 2024 – traded a first-round pick (No. 20) and second-round picks (Nos. 54 and 61) in the 2024 NHL Draft to the New York Islanders for a first-round pick (No. 18 – Sacha Boisvert) and second-round pick (No. 50 – subsequently traded to CAR) in the 2024 NHL Draft.
June 27, 2024 – traded a fourth-round pick in the 2027 NHL Draft to the Vancouver Canucks for F Ilya Mikheyev, the rights to pending UFA F Sam Lafferty and a second-round pick in the 2027 NHL Draft.
June 28, 2024 – traded two second-round picks (Nos. 34 – Dominik Badinka and 50 – Nikita Artamonov) in the 2024 NHL Draft to the Carolina Hurricanes for a first-round pick (No. 27 – Marek Vanacker) in the 2024 NHL Draft.
June 29, 2024 – traded a third-round pick in the 2025 NHL Draft to the Carolina Hurricanes for a third-round pick (No. 92 — Jack Pridham) in the 2024 NHL Draft.
Jan. 15, 2024 – traded D Isaak Phillips to the Winnipeg Jets for D Dmitry Kuzmin.
Jan. 24, 2024 – traded F Taylor Hall to the Carolina Hurricanes in a three-team trade for the Blackhawks’ own third-round pick in the 2025 NHL Draft. Chicago traded F Nils Juntorp to the Colorado Avalanche and then retained half of Mikko Rantanen’s salary (traded to Carolina) in the transaction.
March 1, 2025traded D Seth Jones and a fourth-round pick in the 2026 NHL Draft to the Florida Panthers for G Spencer Knight and a conditional first-round pick (in either 2026 or 2027).
March 7, 2025 – traded G Petr Mrázek and F Craig Smith to the Detroit Red Wings for F Joe Veleno.
March 7, 2025 – traded a fifth-round pick in the 2026 NHL Draft to the Utah Hockey Club for F Aku Räty, D Victor Söderström and the remaining contract obligations of Shea Weber.


Nov. 2, 2021 – signed D Louis Crevier to a three-year, entry-level contract.
Dec. 30, 2021 – signed G Cale Morris to a one-year, entry-level contract.
March 14, 2022 – signed D Alex Vlasic to a three-year, entry-level contract.
March 23, 2022 – signed G Jaxson Stauber to a two-year, entry-level contract.
April 13, 2022 – signed F Reese Johnson to a two-year extension.
April 22, 2022 – signed D Ethan Del Mastro to a three-year, entry-level contract.
April 29, 2022 – signed F Sam Lafferty to a two-year extension.
May 23, 2022 – signed D Filip Roos to a two-year, entry-level contract.
July 12, 2022 – signed F Colin Blackwell to a two-year contract.
July 12, 2022 – signed F Max Domi to a one-year contract.
July 12, 2022 – signed F Andreas Athanasiou to a one-year contract.
July 12, 2022 – signed G Alex Stalock to a one-year contract.
July 12, 2022 – signed F Brett Seney to a one-year, two-way contract.
July 12, 2022 – signed F Luke Philp to a one-year, two-way contract.
July 13, 2022 – signed F Dylan Sikura to a one-year, two-way contract.
July 25, 2022 – signed F Buddy Robinson to a one-year, two-way contract.
August 10, 2022 – signed D Kevin Korchinski to a three-year, entry-level contract.
August 12, 2022 – signed D Caleb Jones to a one-year extension.
August 12, 2022 – signed F Philipp Kurashev to a one-year extension.
August 17, 2022 – signed D Jack Johnson to a one-year deal.
August 18, 2022 – signed F Cole Guttman to a two-year, entry-level contract.
Feb. 23, 2023 – signed F David Gust to a two-year, two-way contract.
March 9, 2023 – signed F Luke Philp to a one-year extension.
March 13, 2023 – signed F Ryder Rolston to a three-year, entry-level contract.
March 14, 2023 – signed D Wyatt Kaiser to a three-year, entry-level contract.
March 25, 2023 – signed F Paul Ludwinski to a three-year, entry-level contract.
March 28, 2023 – signed F Antti Saarela to a two-year, entry-level contract.
March 28, 2023 – signed F Brett Seney to a one-year, two-way extension.
April 3, 2023 – signed F Gavin Hayes to a three-year, entry-level contract.
April 11, 2023 – signed G Drew Commesso to a three-year, entry-level contract.
April 11, 2023 – signed D Jarred Tinordi to a one-year extension.
May 10, 2023 – signed G Arvid Söderblom to a two-year extension.
June 7, 2023 – signed F Andreas Athanasiou to a two-year extension.
June 22, 2023 – signed F Joey Anderson to a one-year, two-way extension.
June 27, 2023 – signed F Nick Foligno to a one-year contract.
June 30, 2023 – signed F Corey Perry to a one-year contract.
July 1, 2023 – signed F Ryan Donato to a two-year contract.
July 17, 2023 – signed F Connor Bedard to a three-year, entry-level contract.
July 25, 2023 – signed F Samuel Savoie to a three-year, entry-level contract.
Jan. 12, 2024 – signed F Nick Foligno to a two-year extension.
Jan. 16, 2024 – signed F Jason Dickinson to a two-year extension.
Jan. 24, 2024 – signed G Petr Mrázek to a two-year extension.
March 10, 2024 – signed F Landon Slaggert to a two-year, entry-level contract.
April 3, 2024 – signed F Nick Lardis to a three-year, entry-level contract.
April 13, 2024 – signed F Frank Nazar III to a three-year, entry-level contract.
April 25, 204 – signed D Alex Vlasic to a six-year contract extension.
May 7, 2024 – signed F Lukas Reichel to a two-year extension.
May 20, 2024 – signed F Brett Seney to a one-year, two-way contract.
May 28, 2024 – signed F Martin Misiak to a three-year, entry-level contract.
May 28, 2024 – signed F Zach Sanford to a one-year, two-way contract.
June 20, 2024 – signed F Cole Guttman to a one-year, two-way contract.
July 1, 2024 – signed F Teuvo Teravainen to a three-year contract.
July 1, 2024 – signed F Joey Anderson to a one-year extension.
July 1, 2024 – signed F Tyler Bertuzzi to a four-year contract.
July 1, 2024 – signed D Alec Martinez to a one-year contract.
July 1, 2024 – signed F Craig Smith to a one-year contract.
July 1, 2024 – signed F Pat Maroon to a one-year contract.
July 1, 2024 – signed G Laurent Brossoit to a two-year contract.
July 1, 2024 – signed D TJ Brodie to a two-year contract.
July 6, 2024 – signed D Artyom Levshunov to a three-year, entry-level contract.
August 5, 2024 – signed F Marek Vanacker to a three-year, entry-level contract.
Oct. 18, 2024 – signed F Landon Slaggert to a two-year extension.
Jan. 23, 2025 – signed F AJ Spellacy to a three-year, entry-level contract.
March 29, 2025 – signed F Oliver Moore to a three-year, entry-level contract.
March 29, 2025 – signed D Sam Rinzel to a three-year, entry-level contract.
April 1, 2025 – signed D Taige Harding to a two-year, entry-level contract.
April 12, 2025 – signed F Aidan Thompson to a two-year, entry-level contract.
April 13, 2025 – signed F Ryan Greene to a three-year, entry-level contract.

Speaking of Evan Barratt, led Nuremberg in Germany in scoring this past season and is no longer protected by the Flyers.

Any potential as a late bloomer, UFA or are his numbers more a product of the level of play in the DEL?
 
KD projects more competence and understanding of what needs to be done than any GM in Chicago since Theo. Brodie deal was excessive and dumb, I can see why some are upset about trading up in the draft that early last year as well. I don't get some of you bemoaning him right now, it seems totally forced
feels like a bit of boredom with the rebuild...its not happening fast enough for me, I want it now vibes
 
KD projects more competence and understanding of what needs to be done than any GM in Chicago since Theo. Brodie deal was excessive and dumb, I can see why some are upset about trading up in the draft that early last year as well. I don't get some of you bemoaning him right now, it seems totally forced
Pretty low bar to clear.

Every gm has bad contracts and dead AAV, Even if his overall drafting, relative to quantity and quality of picks, is average, neither should really be an issue to hammer him.

He does things no other gm has done. The last 2 years did not resemble any type of competence. Keeping LR only to fire him, well past his shelf life, with no succession plan in place for either franchise was not competent planning. Forcing vets like Kane and Jones to demand a trade instead of asking them is just punting responsibility and accountability to the players so they get the criticism, not a sign of strength. Almost 40% of his games as gm in AHL and NHL have had a coach who...wasn't really the coach...but was, doesn't ooze competence of decisiveness.

In the meantime Danny is has overseen multiple lawsuits against, maybe a couple of his own making, and he's signed off on all of these decisions meaning somebody is guilty of not being really competent.

I'm inclined to point to ownership first, especially because tv and lawsuit of his own hire, but that only makes KD look worse, as he's just the owner's minion if Danny is the cause of most of the goofy nonsense.
 
feels like a bit of boredom with the rebuild...its not happening fast enough for me, I want it now vibes
I think 2029 was a realistic timeline to be a moderate (top 8) year to year contender when the rebuild was announced in 22.

KDs path pushes that back by years, 2 probably 3 at least right now if I was betting futures on sustainable team of winning playoff games.

If only willing to hold back frustration for 3 more full years and not 5 or 6 more makes me impatient, I'll take it.

Few said 9 years of suck, or the EDM model of build up incompetence is the right path, only acknowledgement that it was a realistic timeline.
 
I think 2029 was a realistic timeline to be a moderate (top 8) year to year contender when the rebuild was announced in 22.

KDs path pushes that back by years, 2 probably 3 at least right now if I was betting futures on sustainable team of winning playoff games.

If only willing to hold back frustration for 3 more full years and not 5 or 6 more makes me impatient, I'll take it.

Few said 9 years of suck, or the EDM model of build up incompetence is the right path, only acknowledgement that it was a realistic timeline.
what year are we in right now...if this team lands another high pick in 2026 I'll say 2027 is when they take an 07/08 type jump in standings, maybe next year if they land McKenna
 
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I think 2029 was a realistic timeline to be a moderate (top 8) year to year contender when the rebuild was announced in 22.

KDs path pushes that back by years, 2 probably 3 at least right now if I was betting futures on sustainable team of winning playoff games.
How so?

Also rushing things like the red wings at this point pushes it back much, much later. They won’t be a contender until long after they tank yet again.
 
I think 2029 was a realistic timeline to be a moderate (top 8) year to year contender when the rebuild was announced in 22.

KDs path pushes that back by years, 2 probably 3 at least right now if I was betting futures on sustainable team of winning playoff games.

If only willing to hold back frustration for 3 more full years and not 5 or 6 more makes me impatient, I'll take it.

Few said 9 years of suck, or the EDM model of build up incompetence is the right path, only acknowledgement that it was a realistic timeline.

KD's path, opposed to which other path?
 
How so?

Also rushing things like the red wings at this point pushes it back much, much later. They won’t be a contender until long after they tank yet again.
Kids who only know how to not win guiding kids who are trying to learn to win is why Detroit overreacted and spent alot on offense after it was too late.
KD's path, opposed to which other path?
One like nill's, or even Sweeney's/Neely's. One that doesn't involve building primarily from one part of the total bundle of assets after gutting everything. Even a staggered path of 2 years down, push really hard and if it flops take another year or 2 down, but don't submerge yourself in losing to the point nobody knows what expecting to win looks like.

Know what you can do before just doing stuff would be a good start, especially when the franchise was a giant pit of flaming tires following the Beach thing. They ignored that step and just started throwing stuff to the wall for picks.
 
Kids who only know how to not win guiding kids who are trying to learn to win is why Detroit overreacted and spent alot on offense after it was too late.

One like nill's, or even Sweeney's/Neely's. One that doesn't involve building primarily from one part of the total bundle of assets after gutting everything. Even a staggered path of 2 years down, push really hard and if it flops take another year or 2 down, but don't submerge yourself in losing to the point nobody knows what expecting to win looks like.

Know what you can do before just doing stuff would be a good start, especially when the franchise was a giant pit of flaming tires following the Beach thing. They ignored that step and just started throwing stuff to the wall for picks.
Didnt Stan try that? And completely failed? lol What tells you that this team could be anything like the Stars or the old Bruins with, let me see, old Kane, Debrincat, Hagel, and Dach? lol This team would be picking 6th last every year with limited cap space and nothing in the cupboard compared to what we have.
 
Kids who only know how to not win guiding kids who are trying to learn to win is why Detroit overreacted and spent alot on offense after it was too late.

One like nill's, or even Sweeney's/Neely's. One that doesn't involve building primarily from one part of the total bundle of assets after gutting everything. Even a staggered path of 2 years down, push really hard and if it flops take another year or 2 down, but don't submerge yourself in losing to the point nobody knows what expecting to win looks like.

Know what you can do before just doing stuff would be a good start, especially when the franchise was a giant pit of flaming tires following the Beach thing. They ignored that step and just started throwing stuff to the wall for picks.
Your recommendation paths are literally failures ... those are not successes, how do you not get that? Recommend follow the only outlier of some success by Dallas, is also absurd. Nill is a unique who was really one of the top scout reasons for Detroits era, but his method has left a team without the top high end enough talent to win it all. He tried going big for Rantanen which was a boost. But if Nill tanked in 13 when he took over, they may have gotten way better results now. But as other say, it makes zero sense how in 2022 that could or been the path.

Detroit spent too much immediately, when is this kids who don't know how to win leading kids time? When Yzerman took over, their fans and all said look at his moves hes adding, we arent tanking. Even their last place year. Then, Detroit keep players/added vets always. They didnt wait and overract, they never just let it be the rebuild it needed to be. Detroit should of sold off pieces right away that they winded up selling later. Like Bertuzzi, mantha, etc. I even thought they should of sold Larkin. If they actually did a tear down and had more higher end talent they'd be exactly where they are right now, but with higher end talent on the way along with the Raymond/Seiders. I've never been pro people blaming Yzerman for not making the playoffs yet because it's the opposite, they rushed too quick to try to make the playoffs is their bigger issue.
 
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