We Have A Gm Problem

[BHFAN92]

Josh Norris is a 26 year old legit middle 6 NHL player. The Blackhawks have zero legit NHL players between 24 and 28 and I don't think there is any legit NHL player on the Blackhawks' roster under 28 that I would have traded for Dylan Cozens and his contract.

They just don't have the kind of assets that teams want when they trade legit NHL talent.

Josh Norris might be more injury prone than Laine and signed to a massively overpaid contract. Kid hasnt played more than 66 games in 6 seasons.

 

[MHO]

Josh Norris might be more injury prone than Laine and signed to a massively overpaid contract. Kid hasnt played more than 66 games in 6 seasons.

Then who would you trade for Cozens that you think Buffalo would have accepted?

 

[BHFAN92]

Then who would you trade for Cozens that you think Buffalo would have accepted?

ya that I am not sure on. Nazar and Rinzel are off limits but anyone else pretty much would be fair game plus a shit ton of picks...I get your point it takes 2 to tango

 

[MHO]

Another point on the mess KD had to clean up. Edmonton is playing Florida for the cup with Dallas and Carolina recently eliminated. Look at the drafts between 2011 and 2018 or players who should be between 25 and 32 or in their respective primes. Here is what Edmonton and Florida have from those drafts:

Edmonton:
Nugent Hopkins
Nurse
Draisaitl
McDavid
Frederic (See John Marino trade tree)
Skinner
Bouchard

Florida:
Tkachuk (See Huberdeau and Weegar trade)
Luostarinen (See Trocheck trade)
Barkov
Ekblad

Dallas
Hintz
Robertson
Back
Heiskanen
Lindell
Oettinger

Carolina
Aho
Svechnikov
Hall (Necas trade)
Stankhoven (Necas trade)
Kotkaniemi
Staal (2012 1st round pick trade)
Slavin
Burns (traded for Lorentz)


And then there's the Hawks
Korchinski (Debrincat trade)
Foligno (Ian Mitchell trade)
Allan (Boqvist trade, I'm not counting Knight from the same trade tree because it took 2 more 1sts to get Jones)
Kurashev

I think it's going to go up from here.

 

[PatFoleyBarTab88]

glad you asked- I would have traded for McGroarty, Cozens, Laine last yr. Not all but tried for 1

Cozens would have been a great pickup. I wanted Zegras bad, his two way game has come a long way and the skill has always been there.

The thing I am probably most frustrated with was (if reported correctly) Patrik Allvin stupidly trying to dump Connor Garland in 23-24 season and Kyle Davidson testing the waters but not pulling the trigger. Garland would have been great to staple on Bedard's wing. Does anybody have any details on what went down with that negotiation? I seem remember reading it got to the point where Allvin was about to dump his contract for future inconsiderations.

 

[PCAisBest]

You cannot compare other teams to the slop Davidson is currently molding literally and figuratively here.

Just because x team drafted so and so has zero bearing on the slop here.

How come Davidson can't use all this "draft capital " and aquire young players thru trades? So far its a foreign concept, but he sure has no problems trading away elite young talent.

GMs have taken advantage of the guy dangling draft picks for proven nhl talent. Zito sure did.

 

[PatFoleyBarTab88]

You cannot compare other teams to the slop Davidson is currently molding literally and figuratively here.

Just because x team drafted so and so has zero bearing on the slop here.

How come Davidson can't use all this "draft capital " and aquire young players thru trades? So far its a foreign concept, but he sure has no problems trading away elite young talent.

GMs have taken advantage of the guy dangling draft picks for proven nhl talent. Zito sure did.

Because that would take a roster spot from Craig nothing-ever-happens Smith or TJ Brodie.

 

[PCAisBest]

Because that would take a roster spot from Craig nothing-ever-happens Smith or TJ Brodie.

I mean it's telling that some would like to say "well this team did it like this" yet fail to see the complete garbage Davidson has brought here.

I'll say it again- until this team can find an actual gm, they're going nowhere under Davidson. Richardson was blamed but no blame for the gm who brought him here.

That said, I don't think any GM wants this gig outside of Davidson. If memory serves me when they had their big GM search they were interviewing guys from the Cubs. And I really can't take any organization seriously that cannot even hammer out a deal to get their team on cable in 2025.

Metallica said it best- sad but true

 

[ColbyChaos]

being I am original poster of this thread I will respond. I never said competitive in 2yrs. stop with the hyperbole. I am all on board the rebuild plan.. however we are going into yr freaking 5 not yr 2.

We started 2022 with the intention by Bowman to contend, a team doesn’t trade several top prospects and picks for Seth Jones and acquire MAF, McCabe and co with the belief they are rebuilding.

My expectations changed when we landed Bedard. I expected to still be bad, but I also expect the GM to stop signing wash out vets and try and acquire younger players to compliment Bedsy.

Then that’s your own damn fault for having unrealistic expectations Bedard wasn’t going to make this team competitive by himself when a large amount of the support cast is only now starting to show up in the league.

I don’t get how this has to be explained to you countless times every time you cried over this the last several years but non top 3 picks in the NHL take some time before they entire the league. Thinking the team was going to shoot up in competetiveness when Lev was drafted was some clown ass thinking.

Only one second round pick from the entire 2023 draft has even played a game in the league the support is coming already. The defense is looking great with Rinzel EDM Allan KK Vlasic Lev. Nazar will be a full time NHL player and already built off of a great end to this season. We will have some talent in Rockford again this year and several will probably play up and down the lineup like Nazar did last year. We have our goalie of the future in Spencer knight. This team is already going to be better than last season but you are too busy crying that we aren’t signing Marner for 14 million million to even notice. Going crazy in free agency and signing someone like Marner or Boeser for who knows what is how you get a team stuck in the mediocre middle and they will be 30 before it is actually reasonable to expect this team to be flirting with the playoffs

 

[ColbyChaos]

glad you asked- I would have traded for McGroarty, Cozens, Laine last yr. Not all but tried for 1

So one isn’t even in the NHL yet and Laine is not only completely useless at 5 on 5 but also a player who offers nothing but toxicity. Columbus had to pay to move him and it’s no coincidence Columbus took off without him and Montreal was scratching him. He sucks and you would be using those two trades as yet another thing to complain about.

Bertuzzi and Teravainen are better than those two

Cozens would have costed us Nazar and other pieces

 

[TheFridge]

being I am original poster of this thread I will respond. I never said competitive in 2yrs. stop with the hyperbole. I am all on board the rebuild plan.. however we are going into yr freaking 5 not yr 2. My expectations changed when we landed Bedard. I expected to still be bad, but I also expect the GM to stop signing wash out vets and try and acquire younger players to compliment Bedsy. Like I have literally said this multiple damn times why is that so hard?

No offense man, but you're what's wrong with Blackhawks fans at the moment. Especially the casuals.

"Durrr the Hawks haven't made the playoffs since 2020, durrr they've been rebuilding for 5 years, durrrr"

Do you hear yourself? The Hawks went out and mortgaged the future for Jones, traded for MAF, signed McCabe as a UFA (and DeHaan) and traded Seabrook's contract for Tyler Johnson. They were trying to compete right up until Bowman's last moments as GM. If they had a competent coach instead of Colliton, maybe they would have even succeeded and been competitive in 2021-22 instead of starting 1-9-2. All this to say, the Blackhawks have not been "rebuilding" for 5 years. Not intentionally. They've been bad, but not bad enough to land high-end picks (outside of lucking into 3rd overall from 12th in 2019), all the while *trying* to be competitive.

The Blackhawks actual rebuild didn't start until the off-season of 2022 and they didn't complete the tear down until the end of the 2022-23 season, which coincided with winning the lottery and landing Bedard.

And now that they have Bedard, getting him at the beginning of their rebuild, the fanbase is inundated with people like you using Bedard as justification for rushing the process. It's so annoying. Go watch another team and come back in a few years. The Hawks aren't (and shouldn't be) in a hurry to get back the mediocrity that plagued them after Bowman's tantrum in 2017.

 

[WarriorofTime]

lol JFieldsOverBedard’s master plan is to trade draft picks to try and backfill prior year drafts. That tells you all you need to know.

Young talent isn’t readily available in nhl trades. When it is, it’s a you have to give to get situation involving similarly team controlled young talent. Hawks were short on team controlled young talent. Hence why they have to use the draft to build that up.

 

[Giovi]

My expectations changed when we landed Bedard. I expected to still be bad, but I also expect the GM to stop signing wash out vets and try and acquire younger players to compliment Bedsy.

You always talk in general terms about these moves the GM should have made. Who was it that the Hawks had on the roster that they were supposed to trade to acquire these players to compliment Bedard?

How about naming some trades they could have made, using the roster they had, to get quality guys to play with Bedard.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

You always talk in general terms about these moves the GM should have made. Who was it that the Hawks had on the roster that they were supposed to trade to acquire these players to compliment Bedard?

How about naming some trades they could have made, using the roster they had, to get quality guys to play with Bedard.

Davidson tried doing exactly what BHFAN92 suggested and Guentzel said “no thanks.” Same thing Marner and probably Boeser/Ehlers will do.

 

[Giovi]

Davidson tried doing exactly what BHFAN92 suggested and Guentzel said “no thanks.” Same thing Marner and probably Boeser/Ehlers will do.

This guy can't seem to figure out the Hawks can't force UFA's to sign here.

 

[PCAisBest]

So Jed Hoyer traded away many of the WS stars, didn't need top three picks, got what looks like this year's NL mvpete in what's looking like a complete fleece trade, signed core players thru free agency, signed a top manager in the game, and has a team that has the best record in the NL.....

But Kyle Davidson is the best GM in Chicago?

This is lol worthy cringe.

Hoyer
Drafts better
Recognizes talent better
Signs core players thru free agency
Traded for 2 MVP level talents

Davidson
Questionable drafting
Poor evaluation of talent
Signs Brodies thru free agency
Traded AWAY a young 90 pt player

As the title of this thread suggests, the Hawks do have a GM problem and it's not debatable.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

So Jed Hoyer traded away many of the WS stars, didn't need top three picks, got what looks like this year's NL mvpete in what's looking like a complete fleece trade, signed core players thru free agency, signed a top manager in the game, and has a team that has the best record in the NL.....

But Kyle Davidson is the best GM in Chicago?

This is lol worthy cringe.

Hoyer
Drafts better
Recognizes talent better
Signs core players thru free agency
Traded for 2 MVP level talents

Davidson
Questionable drafting
Poor evaluation of talent
Signs Brodies thru free agency
Traded AWAY a young 90 pt player

As the title of this thread suggests, the Hawks do have a GM problem and it's not debatable.

Cubs best contention window was after they did exactly what Davidson is doing lol...and the Cubs haven't made the playoffs once with Jed's strategy as GM

 

[Hawkaholic]

Cubs best contention window was after they did exactly what Davidson is doing lol...and the Cubs haven't made the playoffs once with Jed's strategy as GM

Just ignore him, he's clueless.

 

[PCAisBest]

Cubs best contention window was after they did exactly what Davidson is doing

This is pure folly.

Wheres Davidsons Rizzo trade?
Wheres his high profile coach signing?

If this is what is trying to be portrayed, is the Wish version of Theos masterclass.

and the Cubs haven't made the playoffs once with Jed's strategy as GM

What a coincidence, neither has Davidson but I'll take the odds the Cubs make the playoffs this year over the slop the Hawks are icing.

The problem is and always will be Davidson.

 

[HeisenBaez]

Cubs best contention window was after they did exactly what Davidson is doing lol...and the Cubs haven't made the playoffs once with Jed's strategy as GM

You do know Hoyer is NOT the GM, right?

 

[CallMeShaft]

Believe it or not, but baseball and hockey are vastly different sports and comparing them to each other is idiotic.

 

[PatFoleyBarTab88]

Believe it or not, but baseball and hockey are vastly different sports and comparing them to each other is idiotic.

Yeah baseball sucks and my white sox suck and I don't want to read about it.

 

[BHFAN92]

Davidson tried doing exactly what BHFAN92 suggested and Guentzel said “no thanks.” Same thing Marner and probably Boeser/Ehlers will do.

maybe we need a GM then

 

[RememberTheRoar]

maybe we need a GM then

Care to explain more?

 

[CallMeShaft]

maybe we need a GM then

We have one.