We Have A Gm Problem

[WarriorofTime]

OK let's try this...

Two years in a row with the second worst record in the league.

How is that improvement?

Because 61 is more than 52.

Is nine points and whatever positive goal differential what Kyle Davidson meant after all his free agent signings when he said he expected improvement?

Oh so you meant "they didn't improve enough" which isn't what you said, you said they got worse...

In the NHL? Where grown ass men play and have pride and heart? When the teams "generational talent " was having in game meltdowns on the bench? When a team was so horrid the hand picked first coach of the current gm got fired?

They can get over it and do their jobs? Bedard's a passionate kid, you like to see it, he's not going to be happy losing, but he's got a long career ahead of him.

We're gonna look past all that for 9 points? Not even double digits?

They didn't put themselves into a murky middle. Oh no...

The Hawks problem is and always will be the gm. When this new coach fails do you blame the coach, who is only using the players the gm gets him, the players who are there because of the gm, or the gm who has no plan or idea and has been hiding behind the "rebuild" shield?

Conclusive statement is conclusory.

Richardson had success before he became the Hawks coach.

I'm sure a bunch of teams are rushing to make him their new HC

Seth Jones had success before he became a Hawk and right after he left.

He had more success playing on better teams, crazy concept.

Why is this?

Because different teams are at different phases in the improve/compete/fall off/tank/rebuild cycle.

 

[statswatcher]

Two years in a row with the second worst record in the league.

picking out standing position as a metric for abstract "improvement" is no less arbitrary than picking points or goal differential. it's not like finishing third worst, or even tenth worst has any practical effect other than worse draft position.

Where grown ass men play and have pride and heart?

so dramatic lmao

 

[Dead Meat]

same exact excuse will be used next yr and then yr after as well..well lets just wait for "xyz player" to sign here and then when they dont its oh well they have to want to play here..bottom line is the GM is trash. Cant get his coach, cant get a FA worth a damn, doesn't go after any young guys when they hit trade block, does not try and offer sheet guys..literally an incompetent GM and this fanbase just sits back and watches it and preaches patience. I have seen this same song and dance with an unqualified GM names Stan Bowman and its 2.0 version right now.

Take it easy Jim from American Pie...

 

[hockeydoug]

You don't plan to fire a coach mid-season. It's just not realistic in any sport. And 20 games with an inexperienced coach isn't going to hurt anyone, long term.

• Average coach shelf life less than 2 1/2 years.
• Average shelf life of coach on a bad team just over 1 1/2 years
• LR had been there 2 and had lost the team by winter of 24, bag skates, best players scared to shoot, historically bad periods, record losing streak, etc.
• Danny had money to spend

You absolutely plan for the very realistic possibility that you lose the coach and you don't leave yourself boxed in where your best option for the affiliate is a guy who never turned a game sheet in. Somehow Eaton was more overwhelmed than Sorensen. There were bodies (not asking for high end acquisitions, just bodies with competency) available who held AHL or NHL coaching positions who would have checked the boxes and Danny wasn't shy about spending.

I was shocked at the Eaton thing, never would have imagined a scenario like that at a big spending franchise. You can bet he won't make that same mistake again, but still too much learning with this guy and dozens of big decisions and a few major ones coming up before October.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I was shocked at the Eaton thing, never would have imagined a scenario like that at a big spending franchise.

You have major complaints about an Interim AHL Coach? That's interesting. Unless you have like.. inner workings of what is going on at Rockford, I can't imagine this as a valid complaint and not just griping.

 

[Hawkaholic]

• Average coach shelf life less than 2 1/2 years.
• Average shelf life of coach on a bad team just over 1 1/2 years
• LR had been there 2 and had lost the team by winter of 24, bag skates, best players scared to shoot, historically bad periods, record losing streak, etc.
• Danny had money to spend

You absolutely plan for the very realistic possibility that you lose the coach and you don't leave yourself boxed in where your best option for the affiliate is a guy who never turned a game sheet in. Somehow Eaton was more overwhelmed than Sorensen. There were bodies (not asking for high end acquisitions, just bodies with competency) available who held AHL or NHL coaching positions who would have checked the boxes and Danny wasn't shy about spending.

I was shocked at the Eaton thing, never would have imagined a scenario like that at a big spending franchise. You can bet he won't make that same mistake again, but still too much learning with this guy and dozens of big decisions and a few major ones coming up before October.

No, you dont. You plan that the coach is going to succeed.

Eaton did a fine job, the team got further than they expected. You again, are just bitching, to bitch.

 

[Deputy McRizzy]

Average coach shelf life less than 2 1/2 years.

Is that factual? Sounds made up but I wouldn’t have a clue where to check for what the actual number is.

 

[hockeydoug]

No, you dont. You plan that the coach is going to succeed.

Eaton did a fine job, the team got further than they expected. You again, are just bitching, to bitch.

By this logic, why carry an 8th dman on a contending team. I never suggested a Shanaplan model of overloading the front office, but a little insurance for all the new guys is always warranted, especially when every number says the person you're counting on to succeed, is on borrowed time.

Eaton didn't know how to run video sessions, had to learn language on the ice that worked, etc. I'm sure he learned quite a bit really fast, just like Sorensen, they're both likeable and I'm sure can eventually do the job above average or better given enough time.

Why do we want coaches developing players who are seeing things for the very first time? That doesn't seem like a plan.

 

[Hawkaholic]

By this logic, why carry an 8th dman on a contending team. I never suggested a Shanaplan model of overloading the front office, but a little insurance for all the new guys is always warranted, especially when every number says the person you're counting on to succeed, is on borrowed time.

Eaton didn't know how to run video sessions, had to learn language on the ice that worked, etc. I'm sure he learned quite a bit really fast, just like Sorensen, they're both likeable and I'm sure can eventually do the job above average or better given enough time.

Why do we want coaches developing players who are seeing things for the very first time? That doesn't seem like a plan.

What does an 8th Dman have to do with the Head Coach? lol

There was no plan to fire coaches mid season, because no team plans to fire coaches, mid season.

 

[hockeydoug]

Is that factual? Sounds made up but I wouldn’t have a clue where to check for what the actual number is.

I can't find the story but it was on a TSN article and there were other studies about average time through 2023.

I'll keep looking but for a team that's relatively stable the number was 2.6 years. Much higher for serious perennial contenders and much lower for teams in the dumpster (tanking, rebuilding, owner drama, sale, etc.)

For a quick reference, for the 24 teams who didn't just hire a new coach, the average is about 2.4 years right now.

 

[hockeydoug]

What does an 8th Dman have to do with the Head Coach? lol

There was no plan to fire coaches mid season, because no team plans to fire coaches, mid season.

Okay, last attempt.

Depth in the org. They had all summer to build a plan based on likely scenarios, like that a coach who had lost the lockerroom for half the year, of a team that was a smoldering dumpster fire, may not bounce back and defy the odds.

 

[PCAisBest]

Because 61 is more than 52.

25 wins with more perceived talent after 23 wins. 2 more wins then the last year is folly.

Ten wins would have been an improvement.

Oh so you meant "they didn't improve enough" which isn't what you said, you said they got worse...

They did.

Bedard was having in game meltdowns, all the free agent signings took a step backwards, their best defenseman asked to get traded then suddenly looks like a top ten defenseman again, the coach that was brought in here by the GM was fired, etc.

They can get over it and do their jobs?

or maybe they shouldnt have been brought in here? Do you truly think Davidson told these guys "hey, we're losing on purpose but I'll throw you more money"? Like seriously?

Bedard's a passionate kid, you like to see it, he's not going to be happy losing, but he's got a long career ahead of him.

Nobody likes losing. Which is why I have a hard time comprehending this whole "losing on purpose for high draft picks" crap going around.

Who really thinks Davidson told Bedard "were losing on purpose to get better players around you" when all Bedard had to say was "why not trade for better players or sign free agents"?

They didn't put themselves into a murky middle. Oh no...

Read- they didn't improve using rose coloured glasses...

Conclusive statement is conclusory.

Truth is truth.

Im not a fan of the GM.

I'm sure a bunch of teams are rushing to make him their new HC

Not after the slop he was forced to win with here

He had more success playing on better teams, crazy concept.

Too bad the toxicity of the Hawks org made him leave

Because different teams are at different phases in the improve/compete/fall off/tank/rebuild cycle.

Hopefully Davidson actually starts a rebuild one of these years, then. I mean an actual rebuild and not slop slinging like the last two years....

 

[PatFoleyBarTab88]

Nice alternate account lmao

haha not an alternate acct this is my first HF acct, I joined this morning I cant stand hockey twitter anymore and this is so much better so far!

 

[PatFoleyBarTab88]

OK let's try this...

Two years in a row with the second worst record in the league.

How is that improvement?

Is nine points and whatever positive goal differential what Kyle Davidson meant after all his free agent signings when he said he expected improvement?

In the NHL? Where grown ass men play and have pride and heart? When the teams "generational talent " was having in game meltdowns on the bench? When a team was so horrid the hand picked first coach of the current gm got fired?

We're gonna look past all that for 9 points? Not even double digits?

The Hawks problem is and always will be the gm. When this new coach fails do you blame the coach, who is only using the players the gm gets him, the players who are there because of the gm, or the gm who has no plan or idea and has been hiding behind the "rebuild" shield?

Richardson had success before he became the Hawks coach.
Seth Jones had success before he became a Hawk and right after he left.

Why is this?

I have long exclaimed that Brandon Manning signing has done generational damage to the franchise.

 

[PCAisBest]

I have long exclaimed that Brandon Manning signing has done generational damage to the franchise.

You might be on to something.....

 

[hockeydoug]

You have major complaints about an Interim AHL Coach? That's interesting. Unless you have like.. inner workings of what is going on at Rockford, I can't imagine this as a valid complaint and not just griping

“Part of me feels bad, like they’ve had to teach me some things because in development you’re dealing more with the individuals and the kind of the habits within their game and what they need to do individually to be successful,” Eaton said. “Whereas coaching, it’s a lot about the team and systems, the different scenarios within a game that I hadn’t thought about since my playing days. And even in my playing days, I knew what my job was as a defenseman, but I didn’t know what F1 on the forecheck or trackers needed to do or what other positions’ responsibilities were. So that’s kind of what I’ve been learning on the fly.”

Everyone was surprised apparently. Of course it's typically spun as a positive because nobody gets a free pass like post Bowman hires.

I don't see the need to reinvent the wheel. They keep saying that the priority is development and then they have the C and D list candidates driving that bus.

If you like the approach for the last 3 years, I can appreciate the leap of faith, but no thanks from me. Fortunately, Blashill marks a turn, even if KD preferred another brand new coach.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Okay, last attempt.

Depth in the org. They had all summer to build a plan based on likely scenarios, like that a coach who had lost the lockerroom for half the year, of a team that was a smoldering dumpster fire, may not bounce back and defy the odds.

Again., you don't plan to fire your coach midseason. I'm not sure what you don't get about that.

 

[CallMeShaft]

Any improvement is still considered improvement.

 

[PCAisBest]

Any improvement is still considered improvement.

Which is like getting diagnosed with colon and prostrate cancer then rediagnosed with only colon cancer.....

 

[Hawkaholic]

Which is like getting diagnosed with colon and prostrate cancer then rediagnosed with only colon cancer.....

More like being a Kick streamer and then becoming a Twitch streamer

 

[Giovi]

More like being a Kick streamer and then becoming a Twitch streamer

Good God people, why are you giving this fool so much attention?

 

[Toews2Bickell]

what a dumpster fire this thread is

 

[CallMeShaft]

what a dumpster fire this thread is

What do you expect, the thread's name is "we have a gm problem".

 

[Darkstar]

I don't trust KD at all and I think the Blashill hire was not ideal and am concerned with how he projected this years team to be a wildcard team and Sorenson was mostly a disaster but I think 25-26 will be the first year where we can truly judge KD. If there's no progress and there is no improvement in 5-on-5 play, he needs to go.

I think what we can all agree on is that the Blackhawks have a regime twitter problem. The insufferable KD sycophants/worshippers become more and more intolerable every day. The degree of brainrot needed to believe that Nick Lardis will magically put Chicago in the playoffs next year....

Lulz. KD will either succeed or fail. His fans and detractors will play no part in that. What people say on Twitter means nothing.

 

[CallMeShaft]

Some of you may know I have my fair share of problems with Twitler (as evidenced by me continually misspelling it's name), but even taking out my feelings on it's owner, that site (and most social media sites similar to it) absolutely suck for discussing hockey in depth.

It's so much better to be able to converse with a group of recognizable names/avatars in a nice and neat thread rather than looking for some opinions from thousands of random losers on the internet. Not to mention not having to be limited by the amount of characters in a post.

Only thing that would be an improvement on a site like Twitler (over HF) is that Fiddy's posts would be considerably shorter.