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Please discuss us not signing Marner in the 25-26 roster thread. A much more appropriate thread for that discussion than a thread pertaining specifically to complaining about the GM (I know the initial post regarding not going after Marner was in itself a complaint about Kyle, but the discussion has quickly shifted back to discussing the roster and not Kyle's performance).

If your post is specifically about how good/bad this decision is from KD, then whatever, stay if you want. Again though, I think more of this discussion is trending towards the topic of our future roster/cap space and less about the GM.
 
BHFAN92 said:
same exact excuse will be used next yr and then yr after as well..well lets just wait for "xyz player" to sign here and then when they dont its oh well they have to want to play here..bottom line is the GM is trash. Cant get his coach, cant get a FA worth a damn, doesn't go after any young guys when they hit trade block, does not try and offer sheet guys..literally an incompetent GM and this fanbase just sits back and watches it and preaches patience. I have seen this same song and dance with an unqualified GM names Stan Bowman and its 2.0 version right now.
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BHFAN92 said:
same exact excuse will be used next yr and then yr after as well..well lets just wait for "xyz player" to sign here and then when they dont its oh well they have to want to play here..bottom line is the GM is trash. Cant get his coach, cant get a FA worth a damn, doesn't go after any young guys when they hit trade block, does not try and offer sheet guys..literally an incompetent GM and this fanbase just sits back and watches it and preaches patience. I have seen this same song and dance with an unqualified GM names Stan Bowman and its 2.0 version right now.
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I was 50/50 on Marner but ultimately leading to "let's just sign him if we can and figure out the rest later" but what you're saying doesn't really make sense.

The Hawks core of players that they'll need to hopefully have a window are all ELC age right now. They aren't available because the ones the Hawks didn't draft all under massive amount of team control and going to be viewed as potential pieces wherever they are now. If Bedard is 26 and the Hawks are sitting on their hands when guys around his age are becoming available in trade/free agency, that's one thing and you can question if they're just doing some forever rebuild thing. Right now though? Adding a bunch of guys in the 27-31 year old range just means you're trying to play catch up with the teams that have the best core of players already in that age range, where does that get you? You're not going to pass up those teams with players in those age ranges. Florida didn't add Reinhart, Bennett, Montour back in 2017... they added them in like 2021 as they were approaching UFA years and available to join the other guys they already had in that age range.

The best play is very often just target a specific age range and go all in that. A guy like Isaac Howard makes a lot of sense because he's in the age range of what we hope will be the "core". So I certainly hope the Hawks are kicking tires there. I understand if Marner is there for the taking with no assets other than cap space, that's one thing. But at the end of the day, I get it, if you're offloading guys like McCabe, Strome, DeBrincat, Hagel, and then just trying to backfill players in that same age range... what are you even really doing, that's doing things just to do things at a certain point.
 
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BHFAN92 said:
he just whiffed on Carle or am I imagining that happened?
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Does it count as a whif if there was no pitch?

So Anaheim, new york, Boston, philly, etc. all whiffed on Carle? I would say no. He just used the idea to earn better stability where he wanted to stay.
 
I'd be willing to call Carle a whiff because they very publicly wanted him and didn't get him. But it doesn't tell you anything about the rebuild or KD's performance or whatever. Guy just didn't want to leave DU
 
Being patient and picking high for a couple more years is more likely to result in a cup contending roster than throwing money at FAs.

This is like getting Kane in 2003 instead of 2007.
 
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bwanajamba said:
I'd be willing to call Carle a whiff because they very publicly wanted him and didn't get him. But it doesn't tell you anything about the rebuild or KD's performance or whatever. Guy just didn't want to leave DU
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If by publicly you mean beats reporting on them courting him (as well as Anaheim, Philly, etc), then sure.
 
bwanajamba said:
I mean that Seravalli was on their own TV network talking about him being their absolute #1 target
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“The Blackhawks have had about five months to put their list together, and there’s one name at the very top that’s been circled that has separated himself from the rest of the pack. That is David Carle from Denver University,” Seravalli told Pat Boyle of Chicago Sports Network. “The Blackhawks are going to want to get after him, but they’re not going to be alone.”

So they had an insider on the network to talk about coaching options and Seravalli said Carle was the top choice (as he was for the Ducks and Flyers).
 
Wasn't Blashill sort of like the David Carle of the early 2010s at one point? He was like the heir apparent to Babcock when he was seen as the best coach in the world and easily one of the best coaches outside of the NHL.

I find the Carle hype to be a bit ridiculous considering so many highly touted coaches do nothing in the NHL for a while. They're not like prospects, it's very hard to project how a coach is going to perform and its so roster dependent. Coaches are bad until theyre good and good until they're not, like Maurice was a career loser and now the Panthers are the best team in the NHL the past couple of years
 
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Wasn't Blashill sort of like the David Carle of the early 2010s at one point? He was like the heir apparent to Babcock when he was seen as the best coach in the world and easily one of the best coaches outside of the NHL.

I find the Carle hype to be a bit ridiculous considering so many highly touted coaches do nothing in the NHL for a while. They're not like prospects, it's very hard to project how a coach is going to perform and its so roster dependent. Coaches are bad until theyre good and good until they're not, like Maurice was a career loser and now the Panthers are the best team in the NHL the past couple of years
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Maurice was great in Winnipeg
 
bwanajamba said:
I'd be willing to call Carle a whiff because they very publicly wanted him and didn't get him. But it doesn't tell you anything about the rebuild or KD's performance or whatever. Guy just didn't want to leave DU
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From what I read he wanted a say in roster management. That's a huge no if you are just a rookie coach.
 
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