We have a GM problem

[BHFAN92]

After yesterday's trade and press conference, when can we start discussing the possibility we have a GM who is not cut out for this role? It is seemingly more and more likely KD lucked into Bedard, but hasn't really done anything to warrant praise outside of that.

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[TLEH]

Its too early to say we have a problem, but I would categorize him as extremely risk averse at this stage and you don't get to the top without taking risks.

Everything else will have to be a wait and see for me.

 

[CallMeShaft]

I'll be pissed when Kyle doesn't pick Demidov tonight, but what else has he done wrong? What are you alluding to about what he did yesterday that would be a fireable offense?

 

[Mrfenn92]

Easy to tear down

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

We're gonna find out.

 

[BHFAN92]

I'll be pissed when Kyle doesn't pick Demidov tonight, but what else has he done wrong? What are you alluding to about what he did yesterday that would be a fireable offense?

For me it just the lack of any kind of aggression into kick starting this team. A lot still hasn't happened draft/FA but seeing other teams like SJ who is in same exact position going all out to build around young talent while KD nibble around 3rd and 4th line players or former stars (Perry/Hall/Foligno) at tail ends of their careers. He seems very content in helping other teams out of their cap hell by taking on 2nd rd picks yet never seems able to make a bigger trade or acquire any player of substance. In essence I feel like KD is leaving us with blue balls..taking us almost their but then leaving the job unfinished

 

[Chelios]

What exactly has he done wrong at this point? I realize that the tear down is easier than the build up, but its not like other teams and GMs have screwed up the teardown part or gotten too impatient and have tried to take short cuts. GMKD has done a good job in the trades he has made, has accumulated a ton of assets spread out over the next 3 years (with more to come I am sure), and has put in place a structured philosphy on what he is looking for in his team (speed, work ethic etc...). I honestly don't understand what people are concerned with at this point.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Way too premature to decide even after this weekend. We won't know if he's good or bad for at least another couple years.

Any contractor can tear down a structure, let's see what he can do some actual building now.

 

[ChiHawks10]

For me it just the lack of any kind of aggression into kick starting this team. A lot still hasn't happened draft/FA but seeing other teams like SJ who is in same exact position going all out to build around young talent while KD nibble around 3rd and 4th line players or former stars (Perry/Hall/Foligno) at tail ends of their careers. He seems very content in helping other teams out of their cap hell by taking on 2nd rd picks yet never seems able to make a bigger trade or acquire any player of substance. In essence I feel like KD is leaving us with blue balls..taking us almost their but then leaving the job unfinished

He's not aggressive in kickstarting this team because... they're still rebuilding. And they're only in like year 2 of the rebuild...

Like wtf?

You know how you f*** up a rebuild? You get too aggressive, too soon, and you end up stuck in the quicksand of mediocrity for the next decade.

 

[BHFAN92]

What exactly has he done wrong at this point? I realize that the tear down is easier than the build up, but its not like other teams and GMs have screwed up the teardown part or gotten too impatient and have tried to take short cuts. GMKD has done a good job in the trades he has made, has accumulated a ton of assets spread out over the next 3 years (with more to come I am sure), and has put in place a structured philosphy on what he is looking for in his team (speed, work ethic etc...). I honestly don't understand what people are concerned with at this point.

for me its the build back up. He still looks like in yr 3 now a guy who doesnt know how to aquire or build up young talent. Ilya Mikheyev is crap. he is 29 and still recovering from tore ACL and scored 1 goal in 60 games. Lafferty is also 29 and cant find a spot after his 1 decent season in Chicago 2 yrs ago. There is a reason teams dont want these guys. KD press conference yesterday just felt so disappointing like these 2 guys along with Hall and Athanasiou are the upgrades. Also its feeling like Levshunov (who I like) is going to be the pick but this also feel likes a miss to get Bedard a winger in Demidov. Everything just feels wrong with this GM and I feel like I cant articulate why

He's not aggressive in kickstarting this team because... they're still rebuilding. And they're only in like year 2 of the rebuild...

Like wtf?

You know how you f*** up a rebuild? You get too aggressive, too soon, and you end up stuck in the quicksand of mediocrity for the next decade.

yr 3

 

[ChiHawks10]

for me its the build back up. He still looks like in yr 3 now a guy who doesnt know how to aquire or build up young talent. Ilya Mikheyev is crap. he is 29 and still recovering from tore ACL and scored 1 goal in 60 games. Lafferty is also 29 and cant find a spot after his 1 decent season in Chicago 2 yrs ago. There is a reason teams dont want these guys. KD press conference yesterday just felt so disappointing like these 2 guys along with Hall and Athanasiou are the upgrades. Also its feeling like Levshunov (who I like) is going to be the pick but this also feel likes a miss to get Bedard a winger in Demidov. Everything just feels wrong with this GM and I feel like I cant articulate why


yr 3

They're not in year 3...

The roster was torn down in the 2022 offseason. DeBrincat and Dach were traded in the summer of 2022. In what world did the rebuild start before that? Davidson wasn't even GM until March of 2022... which is just a couple months over 2 years ago. This is technically his 3rd draft, but it's not "year 3" of the rebuild...

Give your head a shake.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

What exactly has he done wrong at this point? I realize that the tear down is easier than the build up, but its not like other teams and GMs have screwed up the teardown part or gotten too impatient and have tried to take short cuts. GMKD has done a good job in the trades he has made, has accumulated a ton of assets spread out over the next 3 years (with more to come I am sure), and has put in place a structured philosphy on what he is looking for in his team (speed, work ethic etc...). I honestly don't understand what people are concerned with at this point.

Yep. He's got an incomplete grade but he's decidedly competent with a clear vision at this point.

 

[HeisenBaez]

KD has not done anything to justify having a GM problem. If the Hawks are not competing for a playoff spot within the next two years, then we'll talk but until then, this topic is premature.

 

[Wally1112pac]

I don't see what the problem is.

KD said this will be a total rebuild. That means you are going to be watching some garbage hockey for 3-5 years. The pay off is drafting at the top of the draft and getting elite talent. When that elite talent develops the team will turn the corner. When the team turns the corner you make trades or sign good free agents to complement what you already have.

That takes time.

Bedard just won the Calder last night. Seems like we're on the right track.

If you're impatient with that, that's on you not KD.

 

[statswatcher]

it’s a long way to get where they want to go, and there’s a very good chance KD isn’t there when they get there. same principle for me as lurich.

 

[bwana63]

lol

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Maybe five years from now, this topic will serve as a gotcha for doubters. It might also serve as a gotcha against pessimists, too.

We'll find out soon enough. Hopefully enjoy the ride.

 

[OhCaptainMyCaptain]

It's way too early to determine anything of that nature yet. From what we've seen, it seems to be a pretty clear vision. Suck butt, get high draft picks, and get a lot of them. And that's how it should be done. Hard to grade him until he actually attempts to put together a winning roster. Until then, it's all about building for the future, which seems to be going fine so far.

It's gonna take some patience, however. That is for sure. I don't think everyone is in the right mindset for that. Still a ways to go!

 

[CallMeShaft]

For me it just the lack of any kind of aggression into kick starting this team. A lot still hasn't happened draft/FA but seeing other teams like SJ who is in same exact position going all out to build around young talent while KD nibble around 3rd and 4th line players or former stars (Perry/Hall/Foligno) at tail ends of their careers. He seems very content in helping other teams out of their cap hell by taking on 2nd rd picks yet never seems able to make a bigger trade or acquire any player of substance. In essence I feel like KD is leaving us with blue balls..taking us almost their but then leaving the job unfinished

I don't have any idea of what San Jose is doing that the Hawks aren't right now.

Seems like a pretty similar playbook up to this point.

 

[giza]

I liked Lazerus article about need to be bold and pick Demidov vs doing the safe thing. Tonight, we will see what Davidson is made of ----safe and cautious or gutsy and bold. He has torn down the team, accrued and secured a plethora of high picks for the foreseeable future and has the balance sheet to get a star player or two when they come available. But anything short of challenging for a playoff spot this year will levitate the doubt that fuels this post.

 

[EddieTheEagle]

If anything, I enjoy that he has a vision and doesn't really do much to stray from it. He is very open about doing nothing to jeopardize how they are trying to build the team. It is refreshing to see a GM with discipline.

Way too early for this thread.

I liked Lazerus article about need to be bold and pick Demidov vs doing the safe thing. Tonight, we will see what Davidson is made of ----safe and cautious or gutsy and bold. He has torn down the team, accrued and secured a plethora of high picks for the foreseeable future and has the balance sheet to get a star player or two when they come available. But anything short of challenging for a playoff spot this year will levitate the doubt that fuels this post.

I'll save you the season and let you know that you're going to be disappointed.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

I’d prefer him take forwards with the top picks moving forward, but I don’t think he’s done anything wrong in particular at this point.

I do want to see how long he hangs onto Richardson, who I think is an abomination to coaching. That’ll be a major point in how judge Davidson.

 

[ClydeLee]

For me it just the lack of any kind of aggression into kick starting this team. A lot still hasn't happened draft/FA but seeing other teams like SJ who is in same exact position going all out to build around young talent while KD nibble around 3rd and 4th line players or former stars (Perry/Hall/Foligno) at tail ends of their careers. He seems very content in helping other teams out of their cap hell by taking on 2nd rd picks yet never seems able to make a bigger trade or acquire any player of substance. In essence I feel like KD is leaving us with blue balls..taking us almost their but then leaving the job unfinished

What are your complaints with this trade? What do you mean San Jose is building around young talent better? With who? Their going to be a tanking team this year again. They aren't in any different role.

For both clubs, it's going to be being bad longer. You may not like that, but that's how full scale rebuilds go

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

For me it just the lack of any kind of aggression into kick starting this team. A lot still hasn't happened draft/FA but seeing other teams like SJ who is in same exact position going all out to build around young talent while KD nibble around 3rd and 4th line players or former stars (Perry/Hall/Foligno) at tail ends of their careers. He seems very content in helping other teams out of their cap hell by taking on 2nd rd picks yet never seems able to make a bigger trade or acquire any player of substance. In essence I feel like KD is leaving us with blue balls..taking us almost their but then leaving the job unfinished

Can you give an example of what SJ has done to go "all in"? There are probably close to 30GMs who would have liked to do the Walman deal.

I hope the Hawks take Demidov, but I acknowledge that I am the noob telling the surgeon how to do open heart surgery. You have to have some faith because we won't know the best decision for many years. Please remember that Hedman and Pronger took a long time to become the dominant force they did (not saying Lev is that level of player obviously).

And agreed on the worse mistake you can make is try to "shortcut" the rebuild like so many teams do. Always think back to Buffalo with the crazy Erhoff/Moulson contracts. Need to accept the growing pains and keep adding foundational pieces.

 

[RaquetPeanutSteering]