We have a GM problem

[Hull2Roenick2Kane]

Or lower ticket prices, no one is paying top dollar to watch last place product. Hawk fans seem pretty fair-weather too.

Blackhawks fans have been packing the T Mobile arena since the Golden Knights came into the league.

 

[Kevin Musto]

bro thinks he's cooking

 

[EmeticDonut]

and we are back..what an absolute f***ing clown we have for a GM..We eat 50% on Rantanen and get a lousy 3rd rd pick which whether it Carolina or Colorado its damn near a 4th rd pick. Instead of you know making the move to get a guy like Rantanen or Necas we are the little money man. This league thinks KD is an absolute f***ing joke and he absolutely is.

It's Chicago's own 3rd rounder they get back, so it's basically a higher 3rd rounder than they would have gotten if they traded Hall straight up to some contender. So in your whinging you didn't even have the basic facts right, but hey, I am sure you would have found something else to be mad about if another scenario would have been done.

 

[GIADF]

I'm not calling for him to be fired yet, but the only move I would argue that I like that KD has made so far is to sign Bertuzzi.

He's been great since LR was fired and being paired with Bedard and exactly what I expected.

The rest is meh like signing TT to downright bad in signing Brodie an inexplicably giving him 2 years.

 

[pvr]

The Hawks are another year away from pursuing the big free agents, realistically. Davidson’s moves to date are within the range of ok to good. Nothing earth shattering should be done this year and not even next season.

It’s a tough sell to get a difference maker to sign here until the youth starts contributing more. Kids had a good game vs Tampa last night. Moving Hall frees up more ice time. Early third vs late second…the picks there are a crapshoot anyway. Not going to sweat 5-10 draft spots there.

Who cares about a few million of the Wirtz money…family has billions. Will see what happens in the 2026 offseason, when the team will be folding in a few more of the many rookies and adding a couple of key vets. Stay the course and let the rebuild unfold. Don’t destroy the salary structure to add someone who won’t make a real difference yet.

 

[GIADF]

The Hawks are another year away from pursuing the big free agents, realistically. Davidson’s moves to date are within the range of ok to good. Nothing earth shattering should be done this year and not even next season.

It’s a tough sell to get a difference maker to sign here until the youth starts contributing more. Kids had a good game vs Tampa last night. Moving Hall frees up more ice time. Early third vs late second…the picks there are a crapshoot anyway. Not going to sweat 5-10 draft spots there.

Who cares about a few million of the Wirtz money…family has billions. Will see what happens in the 2026 offseason, when the team will be folding in a few more of the many rookies and adding a couple of key vets. Stay the course and let the rebuild unfold. Don’t destroy the salary structure to add someone who won’t make a real difference yet.

Really gotta hope Kaprizov hits the market if you wait for that crop of UFAs.

If not then your options end up being Kyle Connor, Eichel, or Jason Robertson as your next best (unless I missed someone). I'm not sure I want anything to do with a 7 year deal for Eichel or Connor that kicks in as they're turning 30. Robertson will still only by 27 but he's slow as molasses already. That contract could be horrifying on the back half if he loses a step as he enters his 30s.

 

[pvr]

Really gotta hope Kaprizov hits the market if you wait for that crop of UFAs.

If not then your options end up being Kyle Connor, Eichel, or Jason Robertson as your next best (unless I missed someone). I'm not sure I want anything to do with a 7 year deal for Eichel or Connor that kicks in as they're turning 30. Robertson will still only by 27 but he's slow as molasses already. That contract could be horrifying on the back half if he loses a step as he enters his 30s.

There’s always a trade…the Hawks won’t have space for all of the upcoming prospect. Trade a couple young ones for an appropriate forward, if even needed.

 

[BHFAN92]

Every time I open this thread I feel like it can’t get worse and yet it always does.

Davidson sucks because he didn’t trade for Rantanen on an expiring contract? Give me a f***ing break. Might genuinely be the dumbest thing ever posted here

point is instead of bringing in guys who improve the roster we continue to trade roster players for picks. But hey you are right why improve continue to be bad I am sure Bedard will sign onto a 8 yr rebuild for sure.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

I remember a time the Hawks traded for Handzus and Havlat during rebuild

This idea you cant add talent is nonsense. Adding Havlat helped further along our rebuilding efforts

Davidsons strategy of overpaying shitty vets who block kids and add nothing to roster is not a good strategy nor does it help improve team or help the few kids on roster

 

[BHFAN92]

It's Chicago's own 3rd rounder they get back, so it's basically a higher 3rd rounder than they would have gotten if they traded Hall straight up to some contender. So in your whinging you didn't even have the basic facts right, but hey, I am sure you would have found something else to be mad about if another scenario would have been done.

I jumped the gun on the pick I own it....but still go onto main page, Colorado, or Canes page and everyone is clowning Davidson..Like why eat anything and get back a 3rd. At some point stop shipping off vets and acquiring low chance % picks and start acquiring young prospects. That is my biggest complaint he is literally doing the bare minimum to upgrade the roster.

I remember a time the Hawks traded for Handzus and Havlat during rebuild

This idea you cant add talent is nonsense. Adding Havlat helped further along our rebuilding efforts

Davidsons strategy of overpaying shitty vets who block kids and add nothing to roster is not a good strategy nor does it help improve team or help the few kids on roster

I knew I couldnt be the only fan thinking exactly this!!!!

 

[WarriorofTime]

I remember a time the Hawks traded for Handzus and Havlat during rebuild

This idea you cant add talent is nonsense. Adding Havlat helped further along our rebuilding efforts

Davidsons strategy of overpaying shitty vets who block kids and add nothing to roster is not a good strategy nor does it help improve team or help the few kids on roster

Hawks traded for Mrazek, Dickinson, Zaitsev, Hall, Beauvillier, Mikheyev

 

[GIADF]

There’s always a trade…the Hawks won’t have space for all of the upcoming prospect. Trade a couple young ones for an appropriate forward, if even needed.

Hawks to me are still too bad to be trading picks and prospects for players.

Obviously not trading this years picks, highly unlikely to next year as they’ll still be pretty bad and it’s the McKenna draft.

So to me you’re at least 3 years out from that being a realistic option, well, for a significant piece at least.

 

[pvr]

Hawks to me are still too bad to be trading picks and prospects for players.

Obviously not trading this years picks, highly unlikely to next year as they’ll still be pretty bad and it’s the McKenna draft.

So to me you’re at least 3 years out from that being a realistic option, well, for a significant piece at least.

Circumstances can change, but yes, 2-3 years is that window to start a real push for playoffs and top 12-16 in the NHL. After that, serious contenders. Remember, even in 2010 the Hawks weren’t considered the top team going into the playoffs.

 

[MTU34]

point is instead of bringing in guys who improve the roster we continue to trade roster players for picks. But hey you are right why improve continue to be bad I am sure Bedard will sign onto a 8 yr rebuild for sure.

You’re totally right. We should be blowing through futures in order to acquire a bunch of players that will make the team mediocre and directionless (IE: right back where we were when this started)

I mean the goal of every rebuild is to blow your plan up and become painstakingly average because whiny fans exist right?

 

[Toews2Bickell]

still hoping all of this is to help facilitate a Seth Jones deal to Colorado...but you could make the argument that Hall was worth a 4th at the TDL, I mean Jurco went for a 3rd back in the day, he conceivably could've fetched a 3rd by himself if he got hot for a stretch before deadline so the 5m retained in addition to Hall was worth more but if they really wanted their 3rd back then whatever...This decision will be tiny in the grand scheme of things, really think KD tenure will be decided by Demidov vs Levshunov and I personally think he's on the wrong side of that decision and Levshunov is just another Seth Jones type where as Demidov will be a Kucherov type

Hawks to me are still too bad to be trading picks and prospects for players.

Obviously not trading this years picks, highly unlikely to next year as they’ll still be pretty bad and it’s the McKenna draft.

So to me you’re at least 3 years out from that being a realistic option, well, for a significant piece at least.

anything other than their picks in the first round should probably be on the table for the right players, eventually they need to piece this thing together with good pro player acquisitions as well because the reality is you're not filling more than half of your roster from the draft usually, and that might be generous, the best teams in the league all have great pro scouting teams in addition to knowing how to draft and develop just enough players to round out the roster, but none of them have been tank teams at all and that says where the edge might be in the current NHL landscape

 

[Mrfenn92]

Absolutely terrible by Kyle. He should’ve gotten at least 3 first round picks.
Only a third? Bring back Dale tallon!

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Absolutely terrible by Kyle. He should’ve gotten at least 3 first round picks.
Only a third? Bring back Dale tallon!

Well Dale did acquire actual NHL talent during his rebuild and found numerous gems in trades

So far Davidson not shown same capabilities or eye for talent

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Absolutely terrible by Kyle. He should’ve gotten at least 3 first round picks.
Only a third? Bring back Dale tallon!

this response reminds me of the reasoning people started to use for some of Bowman's dogshit deals back in the day, like Connolly and Borgstrom deal etc...does this deal really matter long term, absolutely not, do the little mistakes potentially add up over time, like mentioned by others with the willy nilly trading picks to move up a few spots, yes, they could lead to a lot of mistakes that matter on the margin, Hall and 5m in cap space is worth more than a 3rd but if its just to facilitate getting SJ contract off the books for a reasonable price then fine

Hawks traded for Mrazek, Dickinson, Zaitsev, Hall, Beauvillier, Mikheyev

what round pick did they give up for Beauvillier again? the rest were cap dumps

 

[Mjul Qvist]

Davidson got Hall and Folingo and gave what? Nothing. Dickinson and Mikheyev were good trades from Kyle also. There has been some good and probably not so good moves but what will determinate his legacy are and will be those draft picks. That remains tbd atm.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Well Dale did acquire actual NHL talent during his rebuild and found numerous gems in trades

So far Davidson not shown same capabilities or eye for talent

Are Bertuzzi and Teravainen NHL talents or not? Now you’re just being obtuse.

 

[Mrfenn92]

this response reminds me of the reasoning people started to use for some of Bowman's dogshit deals back in the day, like Connolly and Borgstrom deal etc...does this deal really matter long term, absolutely not, do the little mistakes potentially add up over time, like mentioned by others with the willy nilly trading picks to move up a few spots, yes, they could lead to a lot of mistakes that matter on the margin, Hall and 5m in cap space is worth more than a 3rd but if its just to facilitate getting SJ contract off the books for a reasonable price then fine


what round pick did they give up for Beauvillier again? the rest were cap dumps

Bowman has nothing to do with my response.
I didn’t like the trade ups in the draft myself.

this response reminds me of the reasoning people started to use for some of Bowman's dogshit deals back in the day, like Connolly and Borgstrom deal etc...does this deal really matter long term, absolutely not, do the little mistakes potentially add up over time, like mentioned by others with the willy nilly trading picks to move up a few spots, yes, they could lead to a lot of mistakes that matter on the margin, Hall and 5m in cap space is worth more than a 3rd but if its just to facilitate getting SJ contract off the books for a reasonable price then fine


what round pick did they give up for Beauvillier again? the rest were cap dumps

my response had nothing to do with Stan. I myself didn’t like the draft move ups. Seemed like a waste.

the hall trade is simple for me. Retain half of rantanen, dump hall full salary. Get our high third back.

Well Dale did acquire actual NHL talent during his rebuild and found numerous gems in trades

So far Davidson not shown same capabilities or eye for talent

Dale did some good no doubt. He was also pretty damn bad.

 

[GIADF]

BWC not get a good night of sleep? I just opened like 5 threads and I swear all of them felt like I was reading the same exact bitching and moaning from him.


Go get some fresh air or something.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Davidson got Hall and Folingo and gave what? Nothing. Dickinson and Mikheyev were good trades from Kyle also. There has been some good and probably not so good moves but what will determinate his legacy are and will be those draft picks. That remains tbd atm.

He gave up mustos love child

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Bowman has nothing to do with my response.
I didn’t like the trade ups in the draft myself.

my response had nothing to do with Stan. I myself didn’t like the draft move ups. Seemed like a waste.

the hall trade is simple for me. Retain half of rantanen, dump hall full salary. Get our high third back.


Dale did some good no doubt. He was also pretty damn bad.

I don't think the trade matters at all long term, and whatever the optimal return is for Hall and 5m of cap space maybe is slightly better but also still yields nothing of importance on average but its the incremental things that add up is all I'm saying...this org has made a lot of small to medium errors in the past decade that put them at the bottom of the league, not utilizing cap space properly, poor draft picks and development, bad trades, not QO Strome, no real talent at HC position since Q etc

 

[Mrfenn92]

I don't think the trade matters at all long term, and whatever the optimal return is for Hall and 5m of cap space maybe is slightly better but also still yields nothing of importance on average but its the incremental things that add up is all I'm saying...this org has made a lot of small to medium errors in the past decade that put them at the bottom of the league, not utilizing cap space properly, poor draft picks and development, bad trades, not QO Strome, no real talent at HC position since Q etc

The time before the rebuild is gone and forgotten. Same as the dynasty that we had.

Only thing we can do now is wait and see what the hell happens.