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Post-Game Talk: We’re all smilin with you tonight Stu

that's ideal, but who would we get, and how much would you be happy to pay each?

That's the crux. If we could find a couple 3.5-4 million dollar men....now like you said, easier said than done. I know we all spoke of the 2 headed beast forever and how we wanted to get rid of it.

Then there is the problem of goalies wanting to be THE guy....

I dunno.....I just know that Winnipeg has shown the problem with putting all your eggs in one basket.
 
Can you not admit those are big warning signs for a goaltender signed for 8 per until he is close to 40? If he fails that is worse for the remaining years of McDrai than just running what we have.

I think a guy like Gibson retained could be a good 1A. There is the injury concern, but at 3mil and only a couple years, it's little risk. Same thing with Binnington. Freddy Anderson might even be an option in FA, he has great #'s these playoffs.

I also have a gut feeling they bring in Carter Hart on a very cheap deal. It just fits this team to a T, whether we like it or not as fans.

Soderblom or Stauber could maybe be a buy low option as a backup that surprises.

I'm not gonna pretend I have the answer for who that guy should be. Any of the names I said could blow up too. But other teams manage to find these discounts and it would help our team far more to be able to find those guys, and rotate through them every couple years, than it would be to put all our eggs in the Saros basket, because even if he did well here, that's like 5mil taken away from other spots on the roster.
i'm not disagreeing with you that there are "warning signs", but I think that there are a lot riskier moves to make at the position than signing his kind of track record. i personally think that a Gibson + Allen combo for the next two years would do quite well for us, but then what? McDrai have another 9 years, do we trust management to take gambles on bargain duos every x years for the remainder of our window?

we all talk about how the cap is going up. contracts signed early are steals, and contracts signed later will all skyrocket. if we sign a new duo every few years, will that really provide us with significant savings relative to a steady long term 7.75 Saros or 8.25 Sorokin?
 
Typically a coach won’t change up the lines after a win, but Knob constructed yesterday’s roster with last change in mind, specifically to shut down the Eichel line. Hopefully he has a new plan for tomorrow, as the Knights will run out Eichel vs McDavid most likely, with the Karlsson line also getting some of those minutes.

I’d elevate Kane to play with McDavid or Draisaitl for starters. Maybe it’s as simple as swapping Nuge and Kane? Frederick could also move up the depth chart a bit IMO.
 
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That's the crux. If we could find a couple 3.5-4 million dollar men....now like you said, easier said than done. I know we all spoke of the 2 headed beast forever and how we wanted to get rid of it.

Then there is the problem of goalies wanting to be THE guy....

I dunno.....I just know that Winnipeg has shown the problem with putting all your eggs in one basket.
definitely agree that a cheaper duo is ideal. 3.5-4 million seems to be about what we'd want to pay this summer, and I'm guessing that these would be 2-3 year contracts. how much do you think the going rate for the same level of goalies would be when we'd need to find a new duo in 2-3 years if the cap does go up to 104 M + or whatever the projections were?
 
Using your Hart caliber center in a Boyd Gordon role is dumb as a general rule Rob Brown is right about that.

That doesn't mean it can't work isolated to a game or two but at the same time our stars underproducing their expectation is something that is going to catch up to the team before the end if it doesn't change.
How much do you expect them to do? They’re playing at 120 point paces in the playoffs
 
definitely agree that a cheaper duo is ideal. 3.5-4 million seems to be about what we'd want to pay this summer, and I'm guessing that these would be 2-3 year contracts. how much do you think the going rate for the same level of goalies would be when we'd need to find a new duo in 2-3 years if the cap does go up to 104 M + or whatever the projections were?

Oh I am not that smart on the business or analytics side of things. lol

I watch the games. I talk a little shit. But beyond that....eeesh

There are people smarter and more invested on that side of fandom than me that I will have to defer to ;)
 
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I mean, I would blame them for it because I can see some warning signs. Guy didn't look great at 4N. Is small and 30yo. Played on a team with a strong defensive mentality his whole career. I can easily see him blowing up here. At 8+ mil, he's a risk as much as Swayman imo.

If they picked him up and he did great, I would be happy obviously. But there is definitely a possibility he doesn't work out imo, and if that happened it would be disastrous with his contract. That's why I would feel a GM who brought him in would deserve criticism if he failed, and why I don't think it's worth the gamble.

And I'm not gonna complain they spend too little on the position. We could have gotten Lankinen for 875k this summer, who outperformed our goalies and Saros/Swayman, and been spending even less. How would that have been a bad thing?

Where we need to invest imo, is bring in a guy like Sean Burke, Ian Clarke, or Benoit Allaire. A goalie coach proven to get the most from guys, and it wouldn't put a cent on our cap.
This.

They need to invest in a goalie dept, like every other NHL team, and not leave it to Dusty to call all the shots regarding goaltending. There are cheap options out that have outperformed their contracts. Stan’s guy in Chicago, Soderblom, had solid underlying goalie metrics. He’d be a nice, cheap fit here.

Going back to the first point- they absolutely need to bring in a new goalie coach. The organization must see it, right?
 
i'm not disagreeing with you that there are "warning signs", but I think that there are a lot riskier moves to make at the position than signing his kind of track record. i personally think that a Gibson + Allen combo for the next two years would do quite well for us, but then what? McDrai have another 9 years, do we trust management to take gambles on bargain duos every x years for the remainder of our window?

we all talk about how the cap is going up. contracts signed early are steals, and contracts signed later will all skyrocket. if we sign a new duo every few years, will that really provide us with significant savings relative to a steady long term 7.75 Saros or 8.25 Sorokin?
There is a thread on the mains rn discussing exactly this, high paid starters vs cheap tandems. IIRC, most prefer the cheaper tandem route. It makes me question how many of these monster deals we will see for goalies in the future, if maybe GM's see things similar as fans do. Like Bobrovsky has only once been top 10 in Vezina voting during his big deal, and ya he has a cup, by the skin of his teeth over 2.6m Skinner. Could be a possibility that even with a rising cap, we don't see the same level of salary inflation with goalies as we do players, so Saros deal never really looks better even with improved play.

I think with our roster makeup, it only makes sense to run cheap tandems for now. This team is so deep and talented, that when they are "on" they can control play for large stretches against anyone. We could have a random HF poster in net and it wouldn't make a difference. Saros isn't making anymore saves than Stu did last night. On the flipside, some of the goals against these playoffs from defensive breakdowns, even Hasek isn't stopping.

Maybe when McDrai are aging and their play starts to diminish, it will be more of a need to get a goalie who can win you more games on their own, but for now we just need decent, being great would be a massive bonus but we dont need to pay for it. That's why I would like to have at least 1 young guy coming up who looks like they could be a starter one day, Wallstedt for Bourgault annoyed me so much. At the very least, a backup/AHL guy in the 24-28 age range (like the previously mentioned Stauber/Soderblom) who if all went right, could be a part of the solution for 7+ years.

Look how beneficial it has been to us to have a guy like Kane (5m) on the 3rd line, or the depth of Walman (3.4) to cover the loss of Ekholm. With Saros, we don't have one of those guys at least. So even if he plays great, the team is worse. And if he plays bad? Well there goes any chance at a cup, imo.

ETA- I also don't mind the idea of trading Nurse's contract for someone like Jarry. Similar to the Dubois for Kuemper deal maybe. I've liked Nurse more this year than last, but it's just such a bad contract.
 
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I expect them to win some games by themselves. Hasn't really happened yet.

I'm not actually concerned about it though. It's not like these guys haven't earned the benefit of the doubt and for now the team is winning games regardless.
I think our stars still need to learn a little bit about consistency on the finer details of closing games out. A big part of being a Championship calibre team is to know when to start making safe plays and managing the clock.

Some of our posters will fight to the end of the Earth to defend our star players, but even Leon himself would tell you that he made some mistakes in Game 3 that tilted the score in the opposite direction. He followed it up with one of his stronger efforts in Game 4, despite putting up zeroes on the board.
 
I think our stars still need to learn a little bit about consistency on the finer details of closing games out. A big part of being a Championship calibre team is to know when to start making safe plays and managing the clock.

Some of our posters will fight to the end of the Earth to defend our star players, but even Leon himself would tell you that he made some mistakes in Game 3 that tilted the score in the opposite direction. He followed it up with one of his stronger efforts in Game 4, despite putting up zeroes on the board.

At this very moment, the 29/97 line is/was the only one making catastrophic preventable errors so I agree with you.

Currently the situation is one that the camp that can never criticize 97/29 no matter what dream of - ALL other players up front carrying their weight and driving the play 5v5. Currently all we need them to do is keep a clean sheet, make it happen on special teams, and play in the O zone 5v5. We don't need the normal heroics or 4 point nights. We may need that at some point if the play from everyone else dries up, but for now just need steady, calm, low risk hockey from them.

Last night was the textbook. How many odd man rushes did we give up in total? 1? 2? Probably our lowest in months. A lot to do with puck management being a focus of the big guns.
 
Massively impressed by Evander Kane. Misses an entire year and comes back like a boss. He has been a huge boost to this team. Not easy coming back after 3 surgeries and missing a year and be a force.
The prevailing sentiment during the season was to move on from him too.

Never understood that. He plays with an intensity and swagger that's infectious. Drags the rest of his team into the fight. When you think about x-factors and players designed for playoff hockey, Evander Kane immediately comes to mind. So many intangibles he provides that don't show up on the box score.
 
After Rantanen the Walman trade might be the second best trade of the deadline. Especially with Ekholm being out for most of the playoffs.
I'm thinking they targeted Walman because Ek was already hurt. They may have gone in another direction if Ek was healthy. Worked out though.
 
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That limp didn’t look good. But if some of round 2 pushes to 7 games… maybe.

Basically, looking at the planned Stanley Cup dates, the earliest Round 3 will start could be would be May 18th (ie. if TOR/FLA only goes six and the rest 5), and the latest being May 23rd. If it's the 22nd or 23rd, they will definitely play every second night.

Using "couple of weeks" and assuming that means exactly 2 weeks from today, that would be at minimum Game 3 but possibly as late as Game 5.

I'm pretty doubtful he plays third round unless we're in a do or die Game 5 (down 3-1) and a couple guys are injured, meaning we're debating between him, Brown and Dineen.
 
Typically a coach won’t change up the lines after a win, but Knob constructed yesterday’s roster with last change in mind, specifically to shut down the Eichel line. Hopefully he has a new plan for tomorrow, as the Knights will run out Eichel vs McDavid most likely, with the Karlsson line also getting some of those minutes.

I’d elevate Kane to play with McDavid or Draisaitl for starters. Maybe it’s as simple as swapping Nuge and Kane? Frederick could also move up the depth chart a bit IMO.
I am curious to see the changes as well. With our depth fwds doing so well, being up 3-1, and guys chomping at the bit to get back in, Knob has a lot of options that he might get quirky with. I dunno if I like moving Kane up, seems like wherever the guy plays, good things happen on his line. Keeping him off McDrai lines gives Vegas a 3rd line they really need to worry about too, imo. Though he has earned it, and I would like to see him beside one of the big guys, just cause it would be a great line regardless of if it's best for the team as a whole or not.

Frederic I'm less optimistic on moving up right now. I don't think he has been bad per se, he has improved game by game, but not the most deserving of a promotion (atleast to the top 6) with other guys down the depth chart doing more than him imo.

I'd like to see a line of Kane-Frederic-Perry, just for the chaos.
 
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