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WCSF Vancouver Canucks vs Edmonton Oilers. (Series tied 3-3)

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Vancouver Canucks vs Edmonton Oilers
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Chairman Maouth said:
I'm not sure the Oilers are underdogs. There seems to be a general consensus that Vancouver needs to address Edmonton's powerplay either by stifling it, or by avoiding it entirely by taking few penalties. If the Canucks can do it I think they win. If they can't I see Edmonton taking it.

The refs could very well determine the outcome of the series. I hope they're on the ball and don't fall for too much diving because I think 5 on 5 favours the Canucks.
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based on what?
Oilers were one of the best 5 on 5 teams all season
 
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CantHaveTkachev said:
lol a 5-game sample size...and more indicative of how the Kings play (passive 1-3-1 system)

plus, didn't the Canucks basically win 2 games against the Preds because of the man advantage?
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Every team has a 4-7 game sample size, that's how round one of the playoffs works, not like I'm doing it unfairly to the Oilers. Sure, the Oilers were one of the best 5v5 regular season teams, but as Oilers fans keep saying, regular season doesn't matter.

Canucks got 2 PPG in game 3, but the Preds only scored one goal that game anyways. As for game 4, that was with the net empty, Preds easily could have put that away, the real issue was that every Predator collapsed in the shooting lanes above 3 Canucks who were free to attack the net.
 
Rowlet said:
Every team has a 4-7 game sample size, that's how round one of the playoffs works, not like I'm doing it unfairly to the Oilers. Sure, the Oilers were one of the best 5v5 regular season teams, but as Oilers fans keep saying, regular season doesn't matter.
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so again...how are the Canucks better at ES?

Rowlet said:
Canucks got 2 PPG in game 3, but the Preds only scored one goal that game anyways.
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and? they needed PPs to win a game
Rowlet said:
As for game 4, that was with the net empty, Preds easily could have put that away, the real issue was that every Predator collapsed in the shooting lanes above 3 Canucks who were free to attack the net.
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again...and? Canucks need a 6 on 5 to get it to OT...they weren't ES goals
 
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CantHaveTkachev said:
so again...how are the Canucks better at ES?


and? they needed PPs to win a game

again...and? Canucks need a 6 on 5 to get it to OT...they weren't ES goals
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The Canucks are better at ES because they shoot the puck more, and get shot at less than the Oilers, as a percentage. They have a higher percentage of expected goals, and a higher percentage of expected saves, all at 5v5.

It's ironic you're pointing fingers at the Canucks scoring two (2) powerplay goals all series while the Oilers needed at least two PPG (they got 3) and an EN to beat LA who scored 4 ESG in game 1, a PPG to take game 2 to OT while LA scored 5 ESG, a PPG to win game 4 1-0, and a PPG to win game 5.

Empty net is clearly not the same as PP, if the other team gets the puck (and they don't hit the post) you immediately lose, that's not the case on the powerplay, you're heavily insulated by... you know... having a goalie.
 
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Rowlet said:
The Canucks are better at ES because they shoot the puck more, and get shot at less than the Oilers, as a percentage. They have a higher percentage of expected goals, and a higher percentage of expected saves, all at 5v5.
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again, that's more indicative of the style the Kings play...and even then the Oilers scored more ES goals in 5 games than the Canucks did in 6 games
maybe the Canucks are hoping for fluke goals in garbage time (ie Game 1) or lucky bounces off the boards to score ES goals (Game 5)
Rowlet said:
It's ironic you're pointing fingers at the Canucks scoring two (2) powerplay goals all series while the Oilers needed at least two PPG (they got 3) and an EN to beat LA who scored 4 ESG in game 1, a PPG to take game 2 to OT while LA scored 5 ESG, a PPG to win game 4 1-0, and a PPG to win game 5.
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nah, the irony is saying the Canucks are better at ES than the Oilers despite needing the man-advantage to win games
in the final 4 games Nashville outscored the Canucks at ES 5-4...Vancouver won 3 of those

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Empty net is clearly not the same as PP, if the other team gets the puck (and they don't hit the post) you immediately lose, that's not the case on the powerplay, you're heavily insulated by... you know... having a goalie.
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the point being it wasn't a 5 on 5 goal
 
Nucklehead Supreme said:
He's actually 5'10, but who needs facts or the truth?

Both won't be able to catch him, its sad how you can't see that, Nashville threw three guys at a time at him and he still managed to embarrass them, the fact that your even using a 28 year old Perry as an example here is too funny, like have you just started watching hockey?
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Hes actually 5'9'' but yeah he's tindering his profile. It's funny I remember another 5'9" guy who Kane and co wouldn't be able to catch when they faced flames.

That 5'9" fella was beat down so bad he ended up leaving Calgary Johnny something or other don't remember. Think he ended up in Carolina Columbus can't recall. Basically broke him mentally. 😂
 
Bankerguy said:
I just checked,
Vegas is the favorite. the line is at -260 which infers a 72% probability of winning.

This ^ compared with their recent failures in the playoffs means the OIL are the ones under pressure. Vancouver wanst even supposed to make the playoffs.... they won a round, if they're knocked out, the season is still a win and a step in the right direction
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The game is played on the ice not with theory and minds collectively
 
Rowlet said:
The Canucks are better at ES because they shoot the puck more, and get shot at less than the Oilers, as a percentage.
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Regular season:

Shots/GP
OIlers -1st - 33.8
Canucks - 26tth - 28.4

Shots Against/GP
Oilers - 5th - 28.1
Canucks - 6th - 28.6

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They have a higher percentage of expected goals, and a higher percentage of expected saves, all at 5v5.
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xGF%
Oilers - 1st - 57.09%
Canucks - 8th - 52.27%

Comparing these stats in a 5 game sample when the teams faced different opponents is silly. 82 game sample of regular season has actual value.
 
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CantHaveTkachev said:
again, that's more indicative of the style the Kings play...and even then the Oilers scored more ES goals in 5 games than the Canucks did in 6 games
maybe the Canucks are hoping for fluke goals in garbage time (ie Game 1) or lucky bounces off the boards to score ES goals (Game 5)

nah, the irony is saying the Canucks are better at ES than the Oilers despite needing the man-advantage to win games
in the final 4 games Nashville outscored the Canucks at ES 5-4...Vancouver won 3 of those


the point being it wasn't a 5 on 5 goal
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You can be better at ES while still also benefitting from the man advantage, those things aren't mutually exclusive.

If your argument is that the Oilers are actually better than the Canucks at 5v5 in the playoffs, that wouldn't make sense because the Oilers scored 9 PPG in 5 games while the Canucks scored 4 goals while up a player in 6. The Canucks won two games because of having an extra player, but the Oilers won three games doing that (edit: while getting to OT in a 4th with a PPG). How can you rationally think both of those things at the same time to be true?

No reason to continue this, your arguments make no sense.
 
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Moose112 said:
Regular season:

Shots/GP
OIlers -1st - 33.8
Canucks - 26tth - 28.4

Shots Against/GP
Oilers - 5th - 28.1
Canucks - 6th - 28.6



xGF%
Oilers - 1st - 57.09%
Canucks - 8th - 52.27%

Comparing these stats in a 5 game sample when the teams faced different opponents is silly. 82 game sample of regular season has actual value.
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On top of that I'd say need to factor in the post coaching change implications.
 
Moose112 said:
Regular season:

Shots/GP
OIlers -1st - 33.8
Canucks - 26tth - 28.4

Shots Against/GP
Oilers - 5th - 28.1
Canucks - 6th - 28.6



xGF%
Oilers - 1st - 57.09%
Canucks - 8th - 52.27%

Comparing these stats in a 5 game sample when the teams faced different opponents is silly. 82 game sample of regular season has actual value.
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We're talking playoff stats, most Oiler fans keep saying regular season doesn't mean anything when talking about the Canucks beating them 4-0, so we can look past those stats.
 
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Funny that DraftKings has Game 1 on Tuesday at 10:10 p.m. Eastern but not NHL.com.

To win series:

Oilers: -260
Canucks: +220
 
Rowlet said:
You can be better at ES while still also benefitting from the man advantage, those things aren't mutually exclusive.

If your argument is that the Oilers are actually better than the Canucks at 5v5 in the playoffs, that wouldn't make sense because the Oilers scored 9 PPG in 5 games while the Canucks scored 4 goals while up a player in 6. The Canucks won two games because of having an extra player, but the Oilers won three games doing that. How can you rationally think both of those things at the same time to be true?

No reason to continue this, your arguments make no sense.
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They were better at it than Vancouver in a 82 game sample size.
 
Rowlet said:
We're talking playoff stats, most Oiler fans keep saying regular season doesn't mean anything when talking about the Canucks beating them 4-0, so we can look past those stats.
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Oh okay.

GF - GA - GF%

Oilers 22 - 13 - 62.86%
Canucks 13 - 12 - 52.00%

Yikes.
 
Moose112 said:
Oh okay.

GF - GA - GF%

Oilers 22 - 13 - 62.86%
Canucks 13 - 12 - 52.00%

Yikes.
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So you ignored all the 5v5 stats I posted in favour of all situations goal differential in a reply about which team is better at ES?

Oilers are +0 ESGD btw, despite scoring 22GF and only having 13GA

Yikes
 
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Rowlet said:
You can be better at ES while still also benefitting from the man advantage, those things aren't mutually exclusive.

If your argument is that the Oilers are actually better than the Canucks at 5v5 in the playoffs, that wouldn't make sense because the Oilers scored 9 PPG in 5 games while the Canucks scored 4 goals while up a player in 6. The Canucks won two games because of having an extra player, but the Oilers won three games doing that (edit: while getting to OT in a 4th with a PPG). How can you rationally think both of those things at the same time to be true?

No reason to continue this, your arguments make no sense.
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I’m not saying the Oilers are, I’m laughing at the fact Canucks fans think they have an advantage..they don’t
They didn’t have in the regular nor the 6 games in the playoffs
 
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