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Series Talk: WCQF: Vancouver Canucks vs Nashville Predators (VAN Leads 3-2)
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If the Canucks cant outscore the Preds on Friday there will definitely be a game 7
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All I know is that if it happens, it will be a fun series. And the mains will likely be unbearable for which ever team is losing lol.
Yeah, Demko’s impact will not truly be felt unless the Canucks advance to Round 2 and play the Edmonton Powerplays.
Yes and we would have to play the Vancouver PDO's.
See what you made me do? GOD DAMN IT
We're gonna have to deal with Leaf fans too if they lose.
Hell we already have to deal with them and they are hanging on by a thread.
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Who the heck is 21 Savage anyway?
Thought for sure Nsh was losing when McDumass shanked the wide open net on a perfectly executed pass off pads by Fil Forsberg
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I think a lot of people are fundamentally misunderstanding what's happening in this series.
People are saying that the Canucks are struggling to score because we're playing a defensive team like the L.A. Kings, so we can't play our counterpunching style.
That's not what's happening.
Nashville this year isn't Nashville of 10 years ago. They ARE a high-flying transition team who basically flips it out of the zone and sends two forwards to try to skate onto the puck and create odd man rushes. Like Florida last year had a lot of success with this model (and I assume they're still playing that way but haven't seen more than a few minutes of their playoff games this year.
We're playing really heavy defensively and always trending towards having guys back because we fear their transition because we know we don't have the goaltending to engage in that sort of game. The fact that the shots are so low in this series is literally occurring because that's the style that we are somewhat dictating and it's the way we have played basically every time we have our backups in net for a prolonged period.
Now, don't mistake this to be me saying that we're running this series and Nashville is just barely holding on. Nashville outplayed us for large portions of games 3 and 4 and for at least a period in game 5. But this isn't us being taken off of our game, this is us trying to protect a weakness (2nd and 3rd string goalies) and playing a tight defense.
And we're doing it really well for the most part overall, but we aren't able to create much and a couple of our stars look hurt (Hughes, possibly Petey) and bereft of confidence (Petey) which takes away our skill advantage.
I think one thing that people who never played really don't understand is the impact that is created when you don't trust your goalie.
I heard this a lot during 2011 when Luongo had those 3 games where he was catastrophic and we got blown out and people would say, 'well you didn't score anyway, goalies don't score goals'.
No, but if you don't trust your goalie you always err on the side of caution. You don't trust your offensive instincts, you always try to make the safe play, and that's not how you create goals/offensive chances.
If someone wants to point out that Silovs and DeSmith have been decent and put up good numbers I would say, precisely because we have placed them in a position to be able to do so. And that's not taking away from them. But think about some of the best saves we have seen Demko make, e.g. sliding across to rob that 2-on-1 in game 1. How many of those lateral chances have we tasked our goalies with saving? Not many, so we have allowed them to play to their strengths and they have mostly done so, but it has come at the cost of a lot of our offensive creation.
Now, I'm not arguing that it's 100% working, nor am I saying that there aren't problems for our team. We've become so focused on that and concerned about chances against that a lot of our players are playing without much confidence or cohesion offensively.
We also haven't had any game where the breaks have just gone our way early. Like there have been at least 3 games where we could have been up by 2 or 3 after the first period, but that hasn't happened, so we haven't had any chances to feel comfortable and play our grinding shutdown counterpunch mode against a team that's desperate.
I'm still confident we can pull this series out, but the important thing is that this is the beginning of our window and our players are learning a lot of valuable lessons about what the playoffs look like and how to deal with adversity.
Full marks to the Preds who are fast, ferocious, and don't concede an inch.
This post just exhibits ignorance.
Ryan McDonagh has been fantastic this series and a massive factor defensively.
I know our team well enough that I know which players tend to win which battles/races for pucks and we're losing a lot of battles we usually win.
And when I look to the other side, oh look that's McDonagh neutralizing a really good player.
He and O'Reilly are absolutely fantastic players who make it incredibly difficult on their opponents.
One missed shot on a bobbled puck in a game they won anyway doesn't change that unless you're scrolling on your phone and looking up every 5 minutes and call that 'watching' the game.
People are saying that the Canucks are struggling to score because we're playing a defensive team like the L.A. Kings, so we can't play our counterpunching style.
That's not what's happening.
Nashville this year isn't Nashville of 10 years ago. They ARE a high-flying transition team who basically flips it out of the zone and sends two forwards to try to skate onto the puck and create odd man rushes. Like Florida last year had a lot of success with this model (and I assume they're still playing that way but haven't seen more than a few minutes of their playoff games this year.
We're playing really heavy defensively and always trending towards having guys back because we fear their transition because we know we don't have the goaltending to engage in that sort of game. The fact that the shots are so low in this series is literally occurring because that's the style that we are somewhat dictating and it's the way we have played basically every time we have our backups in net for a prolonged period.
Now, don't mistake this to be me saying that we're running this series and Nashville is just barely holding on. Nashville outplayed us for large portions of games 3 and 4 and for at least a period in game 5. But this isn't us being taken off of our game, this is us trying to protect a weakness (2nd and 3rd string goalies) and playing a tight defense.
And we're doing it really well for the most part overall, but we aren't able to create much and a couple of our stars look hurt (Hughes, possibly Petey) and bereft of confidence (Petey) which takes away our skill advantage.
I think one thing that people who never played really don't understand is the impact that is created when you don't trust your goalie.
I heard this a lot during 2011 when Luongo had those 3 games where he was catastrophic and we got blown out and people would say, 'well you didn't score anyway, goalies don't score goals'.
No, but if you don't trust your goalie you always err on the side of caution. You don't trust your offensive instincts, you always try to make the safe play, and that's not how you create goals/offensive chances.
If someone wants to point out that Silovs and DeSmith have been decent and put up good numbers I would say, precisely because we have placed them in a position to be able to do so. And that's not taking away from them. But think about some of the best saves we have seen Demko make, e.g. sliding across to rob that 2-on-1 in game 1. How many of those lateral chances have we tasked our goalies with saving? Not many, so we have allowed them to play to their strengths and they have mostly done so, but it has come at the cost of a lot of our offensive creation.
Now, I'm not arguing that it's 100% working, nor am I saying that there aren't problems for our team. We've become so focused on that and concerned about chances against that a lot of our players are playing without much confidence or cohesion offensively.
We also haven't had any game where the breaks have just gone our way early. Like there have been at least 3 games where we could have been up by 2 or 3 after the first period, but that hasn't happened, so we haven't had any chances to feel comfortable and play our grinding shutdown counterpunch mode against a team that's desperate.
I'm still confident we can pull this series out, but the important thing is that this is the beginning of our window and our players are learning a lot of valuable lessons about what the playoffs look like and how to deal with adversity.
Full marks to the Preds who are fast, ferocious, and don't concede an inch.
This post just exhibits ignorance.
Ryan McDonagh has been fantastic this series and a massive factor defensively.
I know our team well enough that I know which players tend to win which battles/races for pucks and we're losing a lot of battles we usually win.
And when I look to the other side, oh look that's McDonagh neutralizing a really good player.
He and O'Reilly are absolutely fantastic players who make it incredibly difficult on their opponents.
One missed shot on a bobbled puck in a game they won anyway doesn't change that unless you're scrolling on your phone and looking up every 5 minutes and call that 'watching' the game.
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oh yes their 13 shots the other night was so beast mode lmao
I never said he's not good and it wasn't a shot at him as a player. It's a notsoflattering nickname going back to his Ranger days. He can be inept with the puck at times.
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Probably true even with Demko if Pettersson can’t turn it around either
Yeah, I agree. Really blows my mind why GM’s want to sign a superstar at the max they could get during the season. It’s amazing how the production falls off a cliff when the pen hits paper, I’m looking at you too nylander.
It is a common psychological phenomenon. That's why, it'd be best to only do short-term deals and to grant new, short ones repeatedly, based on the performance during the previous one. That way, the player would constantly be motivated to try hard, and would likely perform better as a result. I would like the contracts to cap at 3 years. It would help teams retain quality and would allow them to even pay more to the star players, because bad contracts wouldn't handcuff them so badly.
Mind, there could still be injury provisions to protect players in case they get long-term injured, which is an understandable reason for the players to prefer receiving long-term contracts.
Yea it’s how us humans are built. People in general who have positions higher up the dompany typically do less work but get paid more and defer all the hard work to subordinates. And hockey is likely the most taxing sport physically then any of the 4 major North American sports.
this is why signing good but not great players to 6+ year deals almost always go badly. i'm kind of terrified of what zadorov and hronek look like with that kind of security
If the Canucks do not win on Friday there will definitely be a game 7. You heard it here first!
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