Stepan hit the nail on the head. He didn't say we can't win, rather we have to run on all cylinders, and they were not. That is exactly correct, we all knew that. I have no problem with his answer.
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Neighborhood Coyote
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Whether or not it's true isn't what I'm debating. My issue is that the assistant captain shouldn't be so accepting of being told his team is the inferior team.
He's got a loser's mentality. Last night was a great example of what that does for a team.
His job is to lead the team...and it shows in the results how well he's doing.
It is what it is. You can be over matched and still win, you just need to be hitting on all cylinders, just like he said.
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I had a whole response typed out but then Cox went out completely, of course!
But I guess the results speak for themselves when it comes to how his leadership (and the rest of the leaders for that matter) works in this series. Coyotes have underperformed severely in every game except for game 2.
You guys are funny, its like the world ended or we were suppose to be world beaters
Going into this series, I can see us being down 3-1, is that really a surprise? We got killed in 1 game but were in the other 3 in period 3. If I step back and say we have played 8 playoff games against Nashville/Colorado with results of 4-4, still better than experts would have predicted or any of us really.
Colorado has more talent and should win this series, that was obvious before it started but: I think we have 2 underlying problems. One is, Chayka created an analytics based roster which IMHO we likely don't have the right mix of players. The second and bigger problem that needs to be solved in order to validate my statement is coaching. I don't feel like in the last few years that RT is getting the most out of the team or individual players. We have many players under performing reasonable expectations, not just in this series but for the last 18 months. It seems like RT isn't putting guys in a position to succeed. The mental lapses yesterday were owned by many players, not just one or two, the team was way off. Now Colorado was partly do for a breakout, but I just don't think the team was ready, that is coaching and the mental part of preparation. To top it off, RT sort of passes the buck, that is a lack of leadership as a coach.
Going into this series, I can see us being down 3-1, is that really a surprise? We got killed in 1 game but were in the other 3 in period 3. If I step back and say we have played 8 playoff games against Nashville/Colorado with results of 4-4, still better than experts would have predicted or any of us really.Colorado has more talent and should win this series, that was obvious before it started but: I think we have 2 underlying problems. One is, Chayka created an analytics based roster which IMHO we likely don't have the right mix of players. The second and bigger problem that needs to be solved in order to validate my statement is coaching. I don't feel like in the last few years that RT is getting the most out of the team or individual players. We have many players under performing reasonable expectations, not just in this series but for the last 18 months. It seems like RT isn't putting guys in a position to succeed. The mental lapses yesterday were owned by many players, not just one or two, the team was way off. Now Colorado was partly do for a breakout, but I just don't think the team was ready, that is coaching and the mental part of preparation. To top it off, RT sort of passes the buck, that is a lack of leadership as a coach.
The problems we see now were existent all year, but like I and others have mentioned, Kuemper and Raanta hid many of these problems. Most of us have voiced our opinion about the mix of the team being wrong for the past two years. I'm not a big fan of RT the coach, but come on, he doesn't play the game, and the way this team has played against Colorado this series is disgusting. Fifteen shots heading in a pivotal game four shows the players don't care and have totally tuned out RT. But why would any player tune out a coach in the playoffs? This is what you work or your whole life. RT has to take blame, for sure, but in this case the players better look in the mirror.You guys are funny, its like the world ended or we were suppose to be world beaters
Colorado has more talent and should win this series, that was obvious before it started but: I think we have 2 underlying problems. One is, Chayka created an analytics based roster which IMHO we likely don't have the right mix of players. The second and bigger problem that needs to be solved in order to validate my statement is coaching. I don't feel like in the last few years that RT is getting the most out of the team or individual players. We have many players under performing reasonable expectations, not just in this series but for the last 18 months. It seems like RT isn't putting guys in a position to succeed. The mental lapses yesterday were owned by many players, not just one or two, the team was way off. Now Colorado was partly do for a breakout, but I just don't think the team was ready, that is coaching and the mental part of preparation. To top it off, RT sort of passes the buck, that is a lack of leadership as a coach.
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I think it’s more that we’re at a breaking point with much of the team disregard for basic effort so far in the series, that has kind of been an undercurrent through the last three seasons. From bad-effort practices after the Nashville series ended to our leader ship consistently not really showing much pushback or even just genuine emotion whenever things have been bad yesterday or back in March or back in 2018, 2019, etc. it’s all come to a head for everyone.You guys are funny, its like the world ended or we were suppose to be world beaters
Colorado has more talent and should win this series, that was obvious before it started but: I think we have 2 underlying problems. One is, Chayka created an analytics based roster which IMHO we likely don't have the right mix of players. The second and bigger problem that needs to be solved in order to validate my statement is coaching. I don't feel like in the last few years that RT is getting the most out of the team or individual players. We have many players under performing reasonable expectations, not just in this series but for the last 18 months. It seems like RT isn't putting guys in a position to succeed. The mental lapses yesterday were owned by many players, not just one or two, the team was way off. Now Colorado was partly do for a breakout, but I just don't think the team was ready, that is coaching and the mental part of preparation. To top it off, RT sort of passes the buck, that is a lack of leadership as a coach.
I mean, just look at Craig Morgan’s post-game article yesterday (I believe it’s available even if you’re not subscribed). I’ve been reading him for years and I don’t think I’ve ever seen him so critical of the team‘s veteran core and their propensity towards not giving a shit, especially towards OEL.
He still started it off with this gem:
He's easily duped. I'm hoping whomever is in charge once this ends is smarter than that.
Craig does a nice job of reporting what he is told. Its not very objective though. Think about this:
A. Do we have poor leadership from our veteran players?
B. Or maybe the vets don't really buy in to RT?
You guys all blamed Tip, but I thought he got the most our of his players, our roster is much better now. I have never felt that way with RT. Players come to AZ and their number go down, players go elsewhere and their number go up. The effort to me seems ok, the execution is night and day from game to game, and not just this series. I think this is a coaching problem mostly.
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I think we're overlooking one thing when talking about our vets - look at their trophies (in a happy McConnell voice)!
Bona-fide Stanley cup winners!
Bona-fide Stanley cup winners!
Tocchet isnt on the ice, the players are. But I just dont buy that argument. You can clearly see the Colorado players generally hit the ice on a mission with clear instructions. They target specific Coyotes - Hall rarely escapes their attentions. Their moves are rehearsed and executed with click-clack speed. In contrast our players don't get instructions and try to make plays on the fly which mostly fail and confidence drops. The players that have surprised like Oesterle have done so because there was a vacuum. Coaching has a huge amount to do with that. Tocchet passes the buck to the veterans and I find that pathetic. "I don't know" is an unacceptable thing to say in any profession. He doesn't even seem to realise that because he keeps saying it. He's the definition of an ex-player wanting to be mates with his players and re-live his playing days again through them and be reassured by the veterans he defers to and respects names like Housley over Allen.
The one good thing is that the level of skill has improved and we should see Hayton, Jenik, Maccelli and Soderstrom stepping up soon. It's so much easier to improve grittiness, experience and competitiveness than it is to add skill.
The one good thing is that the level of skill has improved and we should see Hayton, Jenik, Maccelli and Soderstrom stepping up soon. It's so much easier to improve grittiness, experience and competitiveness than it is to add skill.
I agree with most of what you are saying, but athletes are competitive and don't like to be embarrassed except for our group this series. All of us can only assume what the problem is, but I sure would like to be a fly on the wall. We all know one thing for sure and that changes have to be made with coaching and roster. I also heard yesterday that most teams are going to cut payroll because the revenue's will not be there next year to support the cap. I would think we will also, if we can. With many vets only having one year left on their deal, it might help us.
I think you are right in that athletes are competitive by nature. I suspect we will see that today. Guys will play as hard as they can, leave it on the ice as they say, win or lose.I agree with most of what you are saying, but athletes are competitive and don't like to be embarrassed except for our group this series. All of us can only assume what the problem is, but I sure would like to be a fly on the wall. We all know one thing for sure and that changes have to be made with coaching and roster. I also heard yesterday that most teams are going to cut payroll because the revenue's will not be there next year to support the cap. I would think we will also, if we can. With many vets only having one year left on their deal, it might help us.
I see effort from the players, I don't think its that they don't care. Execution is all over the place, good sometimes, lacking other times, big spread. I think it is coaching, not getting the message through to players or players aren't buying into the strategy or RT. So much of this is mental at this point. The way to solve it is leadership, that starts with the head coach. It trickles down from there on the ice.
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Need to surround the Haytons/Jeniks/Maccellis/Kellers/Scmaltzs with all guys that play like Raffi Torres
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Is there a mean SOB in the AHL we can trade a late round pick for to throw on the fourth line? Something in the mold of a Torres, Matt Cook or Jarkko Ruutu type ahole that's not going to eat a lot of minutes but the other bench knows is there. I know Ruttu and Cook were turtles but they were huge distractions.
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The answer is Josh Anderson. CBJ hasn't played him too much this season.
That said, he did sustain an injury and maybe he's not going to be the same player, that's why they don't play him. But if he's fine, just too far down the depth chart, then I'd love to bring Anderson in. Send Vinnie and something else to make it happen.
That said, he did sustain an injury and maybe he's not going to be the same player, that's why they don't play him. But if he's fine, just too far down the depth chart, then I'd love to bring Anderson in. Send Vinnie and something else to make it happen.
