Series Talk: WCQF Dallas Stars (C2) vs Colorado Avalanche (C3) | Series tied 0-0

Who Wins the Series?

  • DAL in 4

    Votes: 5 3.2%
  • DAL in 5

    Votes: 5 3.2%
  • DAL in 6

    Votes: 7 4.5%
  • DAL in 7

    Votes: 3 1.9%
  • COL in 4

    Votes: 8 5.1%
  • COL in 5

    Votes: 34 21.7%
  • COL in 6

    Votes: 81 51.6%
  • COL in 7

    Votes: 14 8.9%

  • Total voters
    157
  • Poll closed .
Again with the exaggerations

Is...is the exaggeration in the room with us now?

Is it DeBoer owning Bednar or more like every time we played Dallas in the playoffs we’ve had key players out of the lineup?
DeBoer has been successful at stymieing the Avs' style of play, no matter where he's coached. Bednar's "counter" has basically been to tell his players to work harder.

The point of my post, which was pretty clear, was to not look past them just because of this. They still have to play the games, and DeBoer has a 100% playoff record against Bednar.
 
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Is it DeBoer owning Bednar or more like every time we played Dallas in the playoffs we’ve had key players out of the lineup?
Definitely DeBoer, he did it 3 times with 3 different teams. His gameplan with Dallas last year was a carbon copy of the Vegas series (leave no space to the D to neuter the Avs transition).
 
Man, that absolutely sucks that Robertson went out with some sort of injury, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here...DeBoer has continually made Bednar his bitch, in every playoff series.
...while never facing adversity.

I thought I would add those words to make your statement at least somewhat true. You are welcome.
 
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Is...is the exaggeration in the room with us now?


DeBoer has been successful at stymieing the Avs' style of play, no matter where he's coached. Bednar's "counter" has basically been to tell his players to work harder.

The point of my post, which was pretty clear, was to not look past them just because of this. They still have to play the games, and DeBoer has a 100% playoff record against Bednar.
To my recollection, every time we’ve faced DeBoer’s team in the playoffs, we’ve just had roster disadvantage, but all the games and the series have been close. This year we finally have the roster to beat them, and if Dallas doesn’t have Heiskanen and Robertson, we’ll have the advantage for a change. If we lose to them this year, then I’ll say DeBoer definitely owns Bednar
 
Is...is the exaggeration in the room with us now?


DeBoer has been successful at stymieing the Avs' style of play, no matter where he's coached. Bednar's "counter" has basically been to tell his players to work harder.

The point of my post, which was pretty clear, was to not look past them just because of this. They still have to play the games, and DeBoer has a 100% playoff record against Bednar.
You both make good points.

Yes, when you think about it - those series were always very close :

2019 vs San Jose -> we lost in 7 games (Landeskog off-sides baloney) but we just didn't really have the team to win it all. We had a great top line and a bunch of 'meh' for the rest of the forward group. When you're icing Compher, Soderberg, Jost, Kerfoot, Nieto, Derrick Brassard (our big TDL acquisition), Sven AngryGhetto, Gabriel Bourque and Colin Wilson just goes to show how bad the forward group was apart from the top line. When most or all of those guys go on to be 3rd or 4th line players or out of the league completely, it goes to show that you can't win without at least a decent 2nd line. On defense we had an 'ok' group : Barrie, Sammy G, EJ, Cole, Zadorov, Nemeth (with Makar making his debut in the playoffs) and Grubauer played all 12 games. Team needed better players especially on the 2nd line but also on the 3rd and 4th lines as well. One line team - easy to defend against.

2021 vs vegas -> unfortunately, the Avs were missing Kadri which probably would have made a pretty big difference when you consider the replacements (Compher/Jost/Soderberg). When you look back at that Avs team and compare it to this one - it's not close - there were a lot of holes in terms of depth and quality. (We had guys like Soderberg, Nemeth and Sampa Ranta playing games in the playoffs) Apart from that, it's hard to forget monumental mistakes by guys like Graves that cost us Game #5 and crap play by Grubauer that cost us Game #6. Again, without Kadri - the 2nd line became Burakovsky-Compher-Donskoi (Nuke not yet established) and that scares no one. One line team - easy to defend against.

2024 vs Dallass -> it's all fresh in our minds but we know what happened - in Game #2 that f***ing piece of shit jamie benn waited until Toews' head was down and headshotted him causing injury with OF COURSE no penalty or suspension (big f***ing surprise - f*** you parros you stupid piece of shit). So we lost a top pairing D-Man to injury. Then before Game #3 - on the very same day that the Avs announced that Drouin would be coming back from injury so that we'd finally have a decent Top-6 - we lost Nuke... again at the worst possible time. That 1st period in Game #3 was some of the worst playoff hockey I've seen from this team in a long time - it was as if they stopped believing they could win. Even then, we still took them to Game #6 and double OT but that Avs team last year - seemed defeated the moment it was announced Nuke was gone.

So yeah, he's been successful at stymying the Avs and Bednar's system but there is certainly some context there.

All-in-all, when you take everything into consideration - there has to be at the very least some belief that crybaby deboer has some pretty strong insights as to how to play the Avs - especially when you consider that each time he's beaten us, his teams have gone on to get beaten themselves afterwards. There is clearly some sort of 'matchup / style of play' that he gets his players on board with to limit us in what we do best.

At the same time, whenever I see that stars team play against a team like Edmonton, they always seem to have trouble with them - for whatever reason. It's Bednar's job to figure-it-the-f***-out and see what the loilers were doing that made it so hard on them and apply some of those strategies.

I think it's a bit overblown if you leave out all the context but there is no excuse this time - this Avs team is the best we've had since the 2022 team.
 
Is...is the exaggeration in the room with us now?


DeBoer has been successful at stymieing the Avs' style of play, no matter where he's coached. Bednar's "counter" has basically been to tell his players to work harder.

The point of my post, which was pretty clear, was to not look past them just because of this. They still have to play the games, and DeBoer has a 100% playoff record against Bednar.
As always, context matters. A blanket statement like the one you made removes all context.
 
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It’s not really DeBoer Avs can’t beat, it’s simply Avs couldn’t match the Stars depth in the playoffs. Last year we thought guys like Trenin, Duhaime would be upgrades but they had no impact for us.

We still couldn’t decide who should play center, while Dallas has always had a deep roster, and even then, it was close series, it’s not like we got blown out. Not even gonna mention the bubble series when we were down to 3rd string goalie, and even then we almost beat them
 
If the Avs lose to this:

Lindell-Ceci
Harley-Lyubushkin
Smith
-Dumba

I doubt Bednar ever gets past DeBoer.
This won't prevent the forecheck on our defense.

We'll see if our dmen can skate with the puck or not. If they can't it doesn't really matter who plays D on the Stars.

Bednar has one game plan and it involves the defense skating with the puck. If they can't do it everything collapses.
 
This won't prevent the forecheck on our defense.

We'll see if our dmen can skate with the puck or not. If they can't it doesn't really matter who plays D on the Stars.

Bednar has one game plan and it involves the defense skating with the puck. If they can't do it everything collapses.
Oh it absolutely matters who plays defense on the Stars. Like you always say, fans know a team better than any. Go look at Stars GDTs. All their defensemen do for 75% of the game is flip pucks to center and turn it over because they can't pass and can't skate out of traffic.

There's a reason the Stars have gotten their shit pushed in analytically for the last three and a half months. Yeah, they've been scoring goals to offset the problem but we know playoffs are a different animal, and usually analytically average/poor teams do not have success. Well, Dallas per/60 at 5v5 since January 1st:

Corsi %: 26th
Scoring Chances Against: 27th
High Danger Chances Against: 22nd
xGA: 29th

This is a bad, bad, bad defensive hockey team.
 
This won't prevent the forecheck on our defense.

We'll see if our dmen can skate with the puck or not. If they can't it doesn't really matter who plays D on the Stars.

Bednar has one game plan and it involves the defense skating with the puck. If they can't do it everything collapses.

You mean we can't make a simple adjustment and bring 1-2 forwards low for an easy breakout of 10-15 foot passes instead of our D trying to skate or make 70 foot passes through 2-3 forechecking forwards!?!
 
Oh it absolutely matters who plays defense on the Stars. Like you always say, fans know a team better than any. Go look at Stars GDTs. All their defensemen do for 75% of the game is flip pucks to center and turn it over because they can't pass and can't skate out of traffic.

There's a reason the Stars have gotten their shit pushed in analytically for the last three and a half months. Yeah, they've been scoring goals to offset the problem but we know playoffs are a different animal, and usually analytically average/poor teams do not have success. Well, Dallas per/60 at 5v5 since January 1st:

Corsi %: 26th
Scoring Chances Against: 27th
High Danger Chances Against: 22nd
xGA: 29th

This is a bad, bad, bad defensive hockey team.
Ok but what does any of this have to do with DeBoer's teams preventing our defensemen from skating?

What works against the Avs doesn't work against every team. No other team use their dmen like we do, that's why we can have several small dmen at the same time while other teams don't want that.
 
I think Tampa wins the battle of Florida this season, back to back cup runs and injury question marks against a team with as much experience as the Bolts? That's a tough draw in the first round.
Kucherov by himself is a real game changer. 3 point game here, 3 point game there. I think Florida and Tampa will go to 7 game series and it will be close.
 

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