Was Mike Gartner underrated?

[Yozhik v tumane]

How many other players have their career rank in a major category (goals - 8th all time) higher than all but one single season finish (5th, 9th, 9th, 9th, 10th are best finishes).

That would have to be extremely rare and make a clear comparable difficult.

Had a look at Dave Andreychuk. Currently sits at 15th in goals scored all-time, however he retired 11th. Has seasons finishing 4th, 9th and 12th in league goal scoring, so he clears it.

Edit: Shanahan, Selänne, Jagr and Ovechkin are the players who’ve surpassed Andreychuk since.

 

[sr edler]

None of that is relevant to his consistency in goal scoring.

Gartner has more 40 goal seasons, than Bure has 20 goal seasons for comparison.

Bure's got point scoring finishes that reads 2nd, 3rd, 5th and 7th, in the league, two of those while missing a bunch of games. I don't know what Gartner's best point scoring finish is, but apparently his best goal scoring finishes are 5th, 9th, 9th, 9th and 10th? Bure's 1st, 1st, 1st. He also had a 1st in the best-on-best 1998 Olympics, voted best forward. He scored 16 (1st) in the playoffs once, where he also had a 16-game point streak which is the longest of all-time outside of Gartner's high-flying 80s (only behind Trottier and MacInnis).

I don't know why we're even doing this, comparing Bure and Gartner, outside of wasting this site's precious bandwidth (perhaps forcing yet another one of its many software updates?). vadim asked up-thread "why señor?" and I agree with him. This is a highly pointless discussion because Gartner vs Pacioretty really is a much more valid comparison.

 

[MadLuke]

Did not follow the plot but is seem to be that some strawman is going on.

Has anyone suggested that through their respective career Bure was more consistant at scoring a total amount of goal during that season ?

Gartner could be a top 3 most consistent goal scorer of all time (with Bossy and few that would compete), about all is season are around 35 adjusted goals +/- 8 type except the last one and a lock-out year.

I doubt there some people the other side of that debate.

 

[sr edler]

At least no-one's called Gartner "the Ned Flanders of hockey" in the thread yet, which happened in OP's prior Gartner thread here on HOH, some 2+ years ago.

How good was Mike Gartner?

 

[Gorskyontario]

Bure's got point scoring finishes that reads 2nd, 3rd, 5th and 7th, in the league, two of those while missing a bunch of games. I don't know what Gartner's best point scoring finish is, but apparently his best goal scoring finishes are 5th, 9th, 9th, 9th and 10th? Bure's 1st, 1st, 1st. He also had a 1st in the best-on-best 1998 Olympics, voted best forward. He scored 16 (1st) in the playoffs once, where he also had a 16-game point streak which is the longest of all-time outside of Gartner's high-flying 80s (only behind Trottier and MacInnis).

I don't know why we're even doing this, comparing Bure and Gartner, outside of wasting this site's precious bandwidth (perhaps forcing yet another one of its many software updates?). vadim asked up-thread "why señor?" and I agree with him. This is a highly pointless discussion because Gartner vs Pacioretty really is a much more valid comparison.

If Pavel Bure was so good, why did he peak at 110 points in similarly high scoring era as Gartner?

 

[CTHabsfan]

Mike Gartner was a very good hockey player who didn't play on very good teams. He only played 122 playoff games in 19 seasons.

 

[sr edler]

If Pavel Bure was so good, why did he peak at 110 points in similarly high scoring era as Gartner?

You're doing the classic mainboard mistake of focusing on totals, instead of looking at scoring clips and surroundings. In 92–93 (110 points) he scored at a 1.32 clip but next season he had 107 points in 76 games, which is a 1.40 clip. This is also the season no-one scored as much as Bure from the turn of the new year and the end of the season.

Also, ironically enough, when Bure had his 107-point season in 93–94 the closest teammate (Geoff Courtnall, same guy Gartner couldn't separate himself from scoring wise during his last season with WSH) had 70 points, which is a 37 point gap. When Gartner scored 102 points the closest teammate (Bobby Carpenter) had 7 fewer points, and 3 more goals. So who really played with better line-mates. Bure for half of that season carried around Gino Odjick on his line.