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Was Jim Rutherford the right hire for Vancouver?

Regarding Gillis, I was always puzzled when he hired torts. It just seemed so offside from his mindset. That hire had me wondering who was actually in charge and whether that hire came from ownership in response to some critiques that the team wasn't "tough enough"
Good point. The owner has a GM who builds out a club that gets very close to the Cup and wins two Presidents trophies. Then fires him when getting the club to that level took a ton of young assets/picks.
Imo the owner is instructing JR to do the same. Firsts (now and in the future) and top prospects are all in play.
 
Is the Canucks-needs-a-rebuild common orthodoxy in Vancouver though?

Cause from the outside looking in, what started off as a core group of Hughes, Pettersson, Horvat, Miller, Boeser, Demko seemed like a good enough base to do anything with. Just needed the right support cast which maybe a wheeling and dealing GM President combo could have sorted out in due time. It's not like you needed to tear it down and rebuild just so you could pull special talent of the draft like that that might be another Hughes or Pettersson...
Benning was so allergic to a rebuild that I think a lot of our fans just wanted to do exactly what Benning didn't do.

The core of Hughes/Pettersson/Miller/Demko/Hronek should've absolutely been enough to build around, but 3 of those players have fallen off a cliff, and I don't think it's possible to build a contender around them now. JR/Allvin haven't been perfect, but I don't think any GM could reasonably survive 3 of their 4 most important players just faceplanting.
 
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rutherford is okay at identifying the holes on a roster and aggressively filling them but he's awful at building value over the long term

there was an opportunity for vancouver to be good when they had the option to have horvat, miller, pettersson, hughes and demko all signed long term and they just needed to figure out a couple top 4 defenders but they've bled a ton of value in playing musical chairs over the last couple of years and their roster and talent level is awful now outside of hughes and maybe pettersson and demko (if they can regain their previous form). hronek, marcus pettersson, debrusk and garland are okay complimentary pieces but vancouver are relying on those guys to be among their top 5-7 players. that isn't gonna cut it
 
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Didn’t the owner fire Nonis for refusing to trade young guys (Kesler and Edler) for veterans? Then the owner fired Gillis for him suggesting the club needed to rebuild? Then Linden pushed out for the same. It’s a pattern with this owner and JR is following his orders from above. Trade young assets/picks for veterans. Try and win now.
The bloke that owns the team is such a cheap ass, they don’t even have their own practice facility. Only team in the league.
 
Regarding Gillis, I was always puzzled when he hired torts. It just seemed so offside from his mindset. That hire had me wondering who was actually in charge and whether that hire came from ownership in response to some critiques that the team wasn't "tough enough"
Yes Gillis wanted to hire someone boring in the Alain Vigneault mould... might have been John Stevens? But the Italian Aquilini family had dinner with the fiery Italian John Tortorella who momma Aquilini just loved, or something like that, and that was that.

Really though it's not a consistent trend and you can map out Vancouver ownership meddling through the years.

With Dave Nonis it should be pointed out that he was never ownership's guy, he's the guy that they inherited and Aquilini had been talking to and wanting to bring in Mike Gillis. Probably a big reason why the following Toronto Burke/Nonis/media was so hostile towards the Gillis Canucks. But anyways, yes Tampa was trading Brad Richards and with Vancouver on the bubble they demanded Ryan Kesler, Alex Edler, and Corey Schneider. Ownership said do the deal, Nonis said no, and he was fired. But like I said, it was coming anyways.

With Mike Gillis he got a whole lot of free reign right up to 2011. Then with the the expectations set sky high at Cup or bust, following with the team taking a step back over the next two seasons, that's when ownership started meddling. Tortorella was a forced hire, and Gillis had a Kesler to Anaheim for futures deal (the Anaheim GM in the summer said Vancouver wasn't going to get a better offer now) that ownership blocked. I think Gillis was told he'd have to acquire Nick Bonino in the deal and it fell apart.

Jim Benning doesn't really count, a lot of my own speculation from observation but he's pretty much a meddling owners dream GM. Highly incompetent, but more than happy to work with and welcome an unqaulified owners input in management. Probably a big reason why he was allowed to run the team for 8 years, when it was obvious at the end of the first season he was a terrible GM and should have been shot out of a cannon at any point after the end of his second season.

With current Canucks management I'd call it a TBD, but I'd say Rutherford and Allvin have full control... at least for now. I think it was a stipulation when Rutherford was hired. Really what's going on is through the first season and a half it was highly contentious among the Canucks fanbase whether the team should be trying to compete or if they should be selling and acquiring futures. As the only thing that seems to stick in peoples head is the most immediate season, the latter group went quiet during the 2023-24 season but is now out in full force after this past season.

They want the rebuild that should have happened when Benning took over but never did, and seem to conclude the only reason it isn't happening is ownership. But realistically it would be extremely rare for an actual NHL GM to go into rebuild with the Canucks roster of the past few seasons where no thanks to Benning you don't have the deep prospect pool but you do have some young elite talent to build around.
 
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Rutherford's record speaks for itself:

The core before and after he took over:

CategoryDecember 2021May 2025
Core ForwardsPettersson, Miller, HorvatPettersson, Debrusk, Garland
Core DefensemenHughes, Ekman-Larsson, MyersHughes, Hronek, M Pettersson
Starting GoalieThatcher DemkoDemko/ Lankinen
Head CoachBruce BoudreauPretty Vacant
Team CaptainBo HorvatQuinn Hughes


The draft picks they traded to create the current Canucks roster:

Player / PickDrafted ByPosition / RoundNHL Role / PotentialTrade Return
Vasily Podkolzin2019 (1st)RWTop-9 potential2025 4th-round pick (EDM)
Will Lockwood2016 (3rd)RWBottom-6 energyVitali Kravtsov (NYR)
Wyatt Kalynuk2017 (7th)LDAHL depthFuture considerations (NYR)
Hunter Brzustewicz2023 (3rd)RDHigh-end puck moverElias Lindholm trade (to CGY)
Joni Jurmo2020 (3rd)LDRaw, athletic defenderBo Horvat trade (to NYI)
Melvin Fernström2023 (6th)LWEuro development projectPart of J.T. Miller deal (to PIT)
2023 1st-round pickN/A1st RoundPremium draft capitalFilip Hronek trade (to DET)
2023 2nd-round pickN/A2nd RoundTop-60 prospectFilip Hronek trade (to DET)
2023 5th-round pickN/A5th RoundMid-depth pickEthan Bear, Lane Pederson (to CAR)
2024 1st-round pickN/A1st RoundTop-32 draft capitalElias Lindholm trade (to CGY)
2024 4th-round pickN/A4th RoundDepth prospectElias Lindholm trade (to CGY)
2024 5th-round pickN/A5th RoundDepth prospectSam Lafferty trade (to TOR)
2025 1st-round pickN/A1st Round (cond., PIT)High pick (top-13 prot.)Part of J.T. Miller trade (to PIT)
2025 3rd-round pickN/A3rd RoundMid-draft capitalCasey DeSmith trade (to MTL)
2025 4th-round pickN/A4th RoundDepth pickErik Brännström trade (to COL)
2026 3rd-round pickN/A3rd RoundDepth pickNikita Zadorov trade (to CGY)
2026 7th-round pickN/A7th RoundLate-round pickVitali Kravtsov trade (to NYR)
2027 2nd-round pickN/A2nd RoundValuable future capitalIlya Mikheyev & Lafferty dump (to CHI)

Four X 1st,
Two X 2nd,
Five X 3rd,
Two X 4th,
Two X 5th,
One X 6th,
Two X 7th.

Total 18 draft picks.


The worst is yet to come.
 
Demko’s health and Pettersson’s apparent lack of commitment this offseason is hard to pin on management. I guess they could’ve monitored Pettersson’s offseason more closely but if those two are healthy and play to their potential this is a playoff team no question. The Miller situation was handled horribly though. I still think management wanted to move Pettersson last trade deadline and ownership stepped in and nixed it.
They had years to ship Pettersson away to be someone else's problem before everyone realized he was damaged goods and they dismantled the team around him instead.
 
We’ll see what Hughes does, but it’s looking pretty clear they made a disastrous mistake keeping Pettersson over Miller when they could have flipped Pettersson for Necas and kept their roster intact (while gaining 5 million in cap). Potentially losing Hughes since he has no interest in a rebuild should be a fireable offense, that negates anything positive they’ve done
 
I don't think Rutherford was the right GM for any team anymore. Another case of hiring someone based on success from a decade+ prior. His experience would be valuable as some sort of advisor, but having guys like this call the shots isn't the answer.
 
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The biggest issue that this organization have had is that they could never let the players be the player they could have been and is micromanaging the team and any mistake from their talented player in their rookie year is staple to the bench or given a low minutes and is affecting them so much that their retention rate is so low creating some instability to the team. Leaking any of the issue to the media doesn't help much. I feel like the Canucks is the only team with so much drama from the top to the bottom during the good season and even bad seasons. Whenever they got good, there's drama and it's head-scratching goes from Neilson towel on the stick, Bure's contract being paid in Canadian dollars issue to Bertuzzi's suspension to Burrows-Auger incident or even biting incident to recent events drama between Pettersson-JT Miller, Bruce Boudreau firing. All of this events showed us that the city doesn't know how to react properly whenever they became a good team. That is my take on how they are being ran and I think that we do need a good ownership that knows how to conduct a good PR to the league.
 
The biggest issue that this organization have had is that they could never let the players be the player they could have been and is micromanaging the team and any mistake from their talented player in their rookie year is staple to the bench or given a low minutes and is affecting them so much that their retention rate is so low creating some instability to the team. Leaking any of the issue to the media doesn't help much.
I think underlying reason for the Franchise literally, crumbling before our eyes in real time, is their horrendous asset management and terrible drafting.

This directly relates to the quality of the product on the ice.

They are not good at their jobs and have been lurching forward and backward and forward and backward for the past decade.

I suppose the owner hires these guys and if you want a circus, hire a bunch of clowns.
 
Baloney?

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rutherford is okay at identifying the holes on a roster and aggressively filling them but he's awful at building value over the long term

there was an opportunity for vancouver to be good when they had the option to have horvat, miller, pettersson, hughes and demko all signed long term and they just needed to figure out a couple top 4 defenders but they've bled a ton of value in playing musical chairs over the last couple of years and their roster and talent level is awful now outside of hughes and maybe pettersson and demko (if they can regain their previous form). hronek, marcus pettersson, debrusk and garland are okay complimentary pieces but vancouver are relying on those guys to be among their top 5-7 players. that isn't gonna cut it
Yep it's a skillset that is really good when you have Crosby and Malkin to rely on but one that will bleed a middling to above average team like the Canucks dry. A whole lot of assets spent and the team is not really better or worse than it was when he took over, just different.
 
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Nope

Too old
Too senile
Has to take too many naps
Still lives on the east coast
Had an ego bigger than the whole outdoors
 
It’s well documented that there’s been ups and downs and drama since the Canucks hired Rutherford. He’s definitely made some Rutherfordesque trades. Is he really the style of manager that the team needed at the time? Or would it not have mattered.
They made the right choice just by firing Benning. Even a monkey was an upgrade on Benning and Weisebrod
 
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I don't think Rutherford was the right GM for any team anymore. Another case of hiring someone based on success from a decade+ prior. His experience would be valuable as some sort of advisor, but having guys like this call the shots isn't the answer.
He's not the GM. Allvin is the GM. Time has come for JR to not be involved in the GM related duties anymore. He's the president.

He came in as Interim GM to get the team on track after Benning firing which fans knew was likely given the moves Benning made in 2021.
 
The problem is that he keeps talking with the media, and when he talks that's where the problems begin. It's entertaining as heck for us fans, but there's a lot of things he said that should stay in-house.
 

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