It’s well documented that there’s been ups and downs and drama since the Canucks hired Rutherford. He’s definitely made some Rutherfordesque trades. Is he really the style of manager that the team needed at the time? Or would it not have mattered.
Was Jim Rutherford the right hire for Vancouver?
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M2Beezy
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Its entertaining thats for sure. And not in the car is spectacularly speeding on fire into a wall which was Bennings brand of entertainment
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Considering Ownership refused to do a rebuild, bringing in rutherford on paper made a ton of sense.
The biggest issue with Jim is that while we love that he is overly honest, it get's the team into bad PR situations (Think Bruce) and it causes havoc (Think Hughes).
His job also was to help bring in a practice facility, which we still don't have.
Overall, it was tracking well with trades mostly, but this past season ruined pretty much all of the goodwill, so for that ill say no.
The biggest issue with Jim is that while we love that he is overly honest, it get's the team into bad PR situations (Think Bruce) and it causes havoc (Think Hughes).
His job also was to help bring in a practice facility, which we still don't have.
Overall, it was tracking well with trades mostly, but this past season ruined pretty much all of the goodwill, so for that ill say no.
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Openly seeing the damage he did prior in Pittsburgh? No, he was far from the right hire.
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He is not the GM. He is charge of Hockey operations. Now I maybe splitting hairs here but the GM is the guy on charge of the team, trades and final say in drafting
Hansen
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Overall it has been a drastic uptick in competence over our last management (maybe the lowest bar the league has seen).
The inability to control the drama has been incredibly disappointing, and even moreso it seems that JR and Allvin stoke the fire on the drama. Whenever negotiations or dialogue isn't going their way it starts leaking to the media that the player/person at hand "is a distraction" and that its impacting the team. Pretty pathetic.
The inability to control the drama has been incredibly disappointing, and even moreso it seems that JR and Allvin stoke the fire on the drama. Whenever negotiations or dialogue isn't going their way it starts leaking to the media that the player/person at hand "is a distraction" and that its impacting the team. Pretty pathetic.
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He does more of the GM duties than Allvin does
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Based on what I've seen, Vancouver has always been poorly managed.
It's one of the few organizations that needs a complete inspection and clean up. I think once they get it together they could be a consistent playoff team, maybe cup champions. But to my understanding the Canucks never had good ownership let alone management. Everybody likes to crap on them, but I personally believe they need to be fixed.
It's one of the few organizations that needs a complete inspection and clean up. I think once they get it together they could be a consistent playoff team, maybe cup champions. But to my understanding the Canucks never had good ownership let alone management. Everybody likes to crap on them, but I personally believe they need to be fixed.
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The management team has been pretty bad as a whole. The plan seems to be sign as many bottom 6 /bottom pairing guys as possible and see who sticks. All while allowing a toxic environment to fester and even stoking the drama with poorly thought out public interviews.
Came here to say something like this.
Ownership and lack of patience is the biggest problem along with not knowing what type of team or direction they are taking.
The past 10 years has always seemed like lets just get into the playoffs and hope more than an actual plan that was well constructed.
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I was very against the hire and Im still not thrilled. But rejecting Horvats demand for 8.5 and then picking Stevie Y's pockets and getting Hronek was one of the best trades Vancouver has ever done. There has been some other good deals. So I have to give them that.
Then there was Bruce gate and Rutherford being a complete moron in the media to this day. He thinks he's still in Carolina. He also almost traded away Petterson for Marty Necas which would have been the worst trade in franchise history.
Alos, dog whistling and joking about Hughs wanting to leave is the height of stupidity.
I which Jim would just go away and let Patrick Alvin do the job
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I’ve said this from the beginning: I never liked him.He wanted the President’s role, and Franky handed it to him. On paper, Alvin is the General Manager, but for some reason, I’ve always felt Alvin is just a proxy—with Rutherford actually calling the shots. Yes, I’m aware Rutherford holds a higher position, but it still feels like he’s pulling the strings behind the scenes. So no, my stance hasn’t changed since the day we hired him. I didn’t like him then, and I don’t like him now.Is he respected? Absolutely. But I’m still baffled that Francesco wanted him in this role. To me, Rutherford seems too outdated for the job. The moment he traded for Erik Gudbranson was when I realized he’s no longer fit to be a GM. How could someone in his position not have known Gudbranson’s glaring issues before making that move? It’s indefensible.
I’m still miffed at the stupid trade Benning made for Gudbrandon
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No! JR is no different than Benning. Nonis stood up to the owner and got fired. Gillis did too. Benning did whatever the owner directed and got a long tenure for doing so. I thought JR would be strong and tell the owner to take a hike. Clearly that view was wrong. JR is just another yes man to an owner. Yes men get hired again in the league. No men (Nonis and Gillis, regardless of proven competence) never get another nhl job. The old boys club,
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I think he’s done a poor job considering he inherited Pettersson, Miller, Hughes and Demko. Those players alone should be foundational enough pieces to construct a good roster around. I’m not impressed.
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JR if he was just doing the role he was hired for he’d be fine but he’s literally the shadow Gm while Allvin just gets the title, until JR gets them both fired.
Or knowing JR he will just randomly quit when he realizes he’s about to get canned.
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Demko’s health and Pettersson’s apparent lack of commitment this offseason is hard to pin on management. I guess they could’ve monitored Pettersson’s offseason more closely but if those two are healthy and play to their potential this is a playoff team no question. The Miller situation was handled horribly though. I still think management wanted to move Pettersson last trade deadline and ownership stepped in and nixed it.
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Demko is severely damaged goods, that one is hard to say as a positive. If Demko didn’t have an injury he can’t fix surgically, it’d be different.
The faults I’d give JR is not fixing the D in the off season, they wanted Marcus a while and waited too long and wasted too much time before they traded for him. Signed options that weren’t good and then let an issue fester for too long. It’s not like it wasn’t common knowledge for him with Miller vs Horvat and then Miller vs Pettersson.
He likely set the team back 5+ years this year.
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Demko is never going to be healthy. He will always have that injury he can’t fix and it’s just a matter of when it will get bad enough to where he has to sit out and it’s not a workload issue either. It can be just a random game where he hasn’t played for 3 games or a game or whatever.
Pettersson is a veteran player, to show up not in shape because of a tendinitis issue in his knee (common for a lot of players) is just the most piss poor excuse to have for him. He didn’t show up, it’s been a playoffs and a full season of it. If he doesn’t this next season, not moving him before Miller will be another stain for JR.
Jumptheshark
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Cool you work for the canucks and know the in and outs of the day to day operations
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You don’t need to work for the Canucks to see how the management is structured. You’ll find very few fans with a differing opinion on that.
