Post-Game Talk: #Warrior

[zlev]

Lindgren and Trouba just get pinned in their own zone and there is zero hope of the puck ever getting out and up the ice in a way where it doesn't get dumped right back in again. they cannot defend anyone, they cannot skate and they cannot move the puck. i would say that they should be given like 5 minutes of ice time per night but the problem is that the other non Miller/Fox pairing is just as bad except sometimes Mancini makes a nice play. Schneider has been absolutely terrible. Gus was lifting him up like Superman last season.

edit: I see people bitching about Fox in this thread lmao. he somehow had an 80%xGF in that game last night, I have no idea how that is even possible. I guess it just perfectly shows that this teams problem is it's 2nd and 3rd defensive pairs.

 

[chris kontos]

kings fan coming in peace
what the hell happened to zibanejad? i used to think he was a borderline great player but after last yrs playoffs and early this season the guy looks like he'd rather be behind a sound board. is he injured or is there some kind of conflict going on affecting his play?

 

[80s Kid]

kings fan coming in peace
what the hell happened to zibanejad? i used to think he was a borderline great player but after last yrs playoffs and early this season the guy looks like he'd rather be behind a sound board. is he injured or is there some kind of conflict going on affecting his play?

Opening up a can of worms with this question. Asking this fan base you're going to get a combination of:

-Not trying
-Head case
-Not enough meat
-Had a kid
-Too soft
-Needs to shave head
-Age-related decline

Did I miss anything?

My personal opinion is I don't know but it's definitely a problem that has been partially mitigated by the play of Chytil and his line.

 

[chris kontos]

Opening up a can of worms with this question. Asking this fan base you're going to get a combination of:

-Not trying
-Head case
-Not enough meat
-Had a kid
-Too soft
-Needs to shave head
-Age-related decline

Did I miss anything?

My personal opinion is I don't know but it's definitely a problem that has been partially mitigated by the play of Chytil and his line.

Thanks for the detailed response.
He dsmn sure looks like more red meat would help

 

[CLW]

Amid all this negativity, there is some truth to this post from the Sens board:

Sure, but does that make the Rangers genuine cup contenders? This is the President's Trophy team; we know they are good at picking up points during the regular season, but where is the evidence they are a significantly stronger team now than the one that flopped against the Panthers a few months ago? Saying we have holes, especially on D and tactical issues (e: transition), is not being negative, it's being truthful.

 

[hardnosed]

5v5:

Miller/Fox: shots 7-2, scoring chances 6-2, 79% xGF%, goals 1-0
Lindgren/Trouba: shots 2-12, scoring chances 2-11, 14% xGF%
Mancini/Schneider: shots 3-15, scoring chances 2-10, 14% xGF%

I love how you guys are patting yourselves on the back with the Miller/Fox %. These numbers are brutal for this team. It's why we look like we were pinned in our own zone for 2/3s of the game, because we were. 14% for 37 out of 60 minutes ( assuming no PPs) is a disaster. I was totally against Miller/Fox for 2 reasons. One was they only play 20-23 minutes a game. What happens with the other 37 minutes? We now know. Secondly, we have made Miller a complimentary player. His best attributes offensively are now non existent. No rushes, no open ice play. We know he stinks as a PP QB, so that offensive zone time at 5 on 5 really doesn't amount to much. And we all know, despite the numbers, he hasn't been good. Even he admitted that. Says he has to play better. So what do we do? Nobody wants to go back to 23/55, Miller/Trouba. What about this; leave Lindgren/Trouba as 3rd pair and penalty killers. Put Miller with Schneider. Free Miller. That leaves Fox. Put him with Jones and maybe we can get a replacement at the TDL.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

I love how you guys are patting yourselves on the back with the Miller/Fox %. These numbers are brutal for this team. It's why we look like we were pinned in our own zone for 2/3s of the game, because we were. 14% for 37 out of 60 minutes ( assuming no PPs) is a disaster. I was totally against Miller/Fox for 2 reasons. One was they only play 20-23 minutes a game. What happens with the other 37 minutes? We now know. Secondly, we have made Miller a complimentary player. His best attributes offensively are now non existent. No rushes, no open ice play. We know he stinks as a PP QB, so that offensive zone time at 5 on 5 really doesn't amount to much. And we all know, despite the numbers, he hasn't been good. Even he admitted that. Says he has to play better. So what do we do? Nobody wants to go back to 23/55, Miller/Trouba. What about this; leave Lindgren/Trouba as 3rd pair and penalty killers. Put Miller with Schneider. Free Miller. That leaves Fox. Put him with Jones and maybe we can get a replacement at the TDL.

It’s amazing that people will look at a defense pair putting up 70% xG on the season and think THIS is the problem. You should be looking at that and saying wow we’ve hacked hockey for about 20 minutes a game. How can we scrap together 2 mediocre pairs with the remaining guys and be the best team in the league

 

[DanielBrassard]

kings fan coming in peace
what the hell happened to zibanejad? i used to think he was a borderline great player but after last yrs playoffs and early this season the guy looks like he'd rather be behind a sound board. is he injured or is there some kind of conflict going on affecting his play?

He was never a great player at 5v5, but now it seems his physical skills are deteriorating rapidly to the point he’s not really an effective player anywhere on the ice. Perhaps some sort of self preservation going on, although he’s kinda always shied away from engaging in the dirty areas more often than not.

 

[hardnosed]

It’s amazing that people will look at a defense pair putting up 70% xG on the season and think THIS is the problem. You should be looking at that and saying wow we’ve hacked hockey for about 20 minutes a game. How can we scrap together 2 mediocre pairs with the remaining guys and be the best team in the league

Unfortunately we don't have the players available to us to fill those 37 minutes. Unless we get additional players from out of the blue, you can't continue throwing away 2/3s of the game. Seems to me, whoever plays with Fox, that pair will be well above average.

 

[Harbour Dog]

I love how you guys are patting yourselves on the back with the Miller/Fox %. These numbers are brutal for this team. It's why we look like we were pinned in our own zone for 2/3s of the game, because we were. 14% for 37 out of 60 minutes ( assuming no PPs) is a disaster. I was totally against Miller/Fox for 2 reasons. One was they only play 20-23 minutes a game. What happens with the other 37 minutes? We now know. Secondly, we have made Miller a complimentary player. His best attributes offensively are now non existent. No rushes, no open ice play. We know he stinks as a PP QB, so that offensive zone time at 5 on 5 really doesn't amount to much. And we all know, despite the numbers, he hasn't been good. Even he admitted that. Says he has to play better. So what do we do? Nobody wants to go back to 23/55, Miller/Trouba. What about this; leave Lindgren/Trouba as 3rd pair and penalty killers. Put Miller with Schneider. Free Miller. That leaves Fox. Put him with Jones and maybe we can get a replacement at the TDL.

Miller-Fox isn't annihilating the rest of the pairs. Lindgren's presence is doing that all on its own.

The bottom four was fine before. Not dominant, but fine.

 

[chris kontos]

You guys could probably get doughty for trouba from our crack gm rob blake

 

[hardnosed]

Miller-Fox isn't annihilating the rest of the pairs. Lindgren's presence is doing that all on its own.

The bottom four was fine before. Not dominant, but fine.

Well, you have to accept that Lindgren will be in the lineup. There's no other conclusion. They got this guy playing with a broken jaw and use him in every crucial spot with a lead. So, knowing that, you can't have him on one pair and Schneider/Mancini on another.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Well, you have to accept that Lindgren will be in the lineup. There's no other conclusion. They got this guy playing with a broken jaw and use him in every crucial spot with a lead. So, knowing that, you can't have him on one pair and Schneider/Mancini on another.

I don't have to accept that. He's a worse player than both Jones and Ruhwedel, and without having Fox to hide that, he's being exposed.

If his play stays as is, he's going to lose his starting spot to somebody, or get traded.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I don't have to accept that. He's a worse player than both Jones and Ruhwedel, and without having Fox to hide that, he's being exposed.

If his play stays as is, he's going to lose his starting spot to somebody, or get traded.

Based on what? Laviolette clearly loves him.

 

[hardnosed]

I don't have to accept that. He's a worse player than both Jones and Ruhwedel, and without having Fox to hide that, he's being exposed.

If his play stays as is, he's going to lose his starting spot to somebody, or get traded.

Agree to disagree. Keep believing what you want. The coaches' actions tell me otherwise.

Based on what? Laviolette clearly loves him.

Exactly.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Agree to disagree. Keep believing what you want. The coaches' actions tell me otherwise.


Exactly.

And that's the problem Laviolette is an idiot.

 

[hardnosed]

And that's the problem Laviolette is an idiot.

Haha. Don't know if he's an idiot, but for whatever reason, coaches get blind spots for certain players, usually the over achiever types. See it happening to my football team too.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Based on what? Laviolette clearly loves him.

I don't think he blindly does. His answers about Lindgren were cagey when he was getting ready to insert him back into the lineup. He never said anything about him inproving the lineup, just stuff about how he plays hard every night or other platitudes.

He knows he's dressing him because of the lockerroom, not because of his skills. At some point, that won't be enough. And if his level of play stays where it's at, something is going to have to give.

 

[hardnosed]

I don't think he blindly does. His answers about Lindgren were cagey when he was getting ready to insert him back into the lineup. He never said anything about him inproving the lineup, just stuff about how he plays hard every night or other platitudes.

He knows he's dressing him because of the lockerroom, not because of his skills. At some point, that won't be enough. And if his level of play stays where it's at, something is going to have to give.

If that were the case, he wouldn't be out there 6 on 5 in a 2 to 1 game. Talk to me when they aren't using him in those situations.

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

Unfortunately we don't have the players available to us to fill those 37 minutes. Unless we get additional players from out of the blue, you can't continue throwing away 2/3s of the game. Seems to me, whoever plays with Fox, that pair will be well above average.

Not playing Lindgren would be a good first step.

Well, you have to accept that Lindgren will be in the lineup. There's no other conclusion. They got this guy playing with a broken jaw and use him in every crucial spot with a lead. So, knowing that, you can't have him on one pair and Schneider/Mancini on another.

Never accept it!!!

Or maybe, yeah. This team has a moronic streak when it comes to defensemen.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I don't think he blindly does. His answers about Lindgren were cagey when he was getting ready to insert him back into the lineup. He never said anything about him inproving the lineup, just stuff about how he plays hard every night or other platitudes.

He knows he's dressing him because of the lockerroom, not because of his skills. At some point, that won't be enough. And if his level of play stays where it's at, something is going to have to give.

While I don't think a toxic lockerroom is a good thing falling over backwards to appease a popular player in the lockerroom is bad coaching. Players' incentives do not always match fans' incentives. Players care more if a player plays hard than if he's good. Let's be honest here for most players winning isn't the most important thing. Try hard bad players are more popular than try less hard good players. I bet Lindgren is more popular than Miller in the lineup. If Fox just played like he does defensively without the offense it would the case with him too.

 

[will1066]

kings fan coming in peace
what the hell happened to zibanejad? i used to think he was a borderline great player but after last yrs playoffs and early this season the guy looks like he'd rather be behind a sound board. is he injured or is there some kind of conflict going on affecting his play?

Thank you. We used to be proud of him and like to show him off to other teams in hopes one of them will take him.

 

[majordomo]

I don't have to accept that. He's a worse player than both Jones and Ruhwedel, and without having Fox to hide that, he's being exposed.

If his play stays as is, he's going to lose his starting spot to somebody, or get traded.

I don't think there's any doubt that Lindgren will be traded. Rangers are just hoping to build up his trade value so as not to lose him for nothing -- at least that's the way I see it.

 

[Harbour Dog]

If that were the case, he wouldn't be out there 6 on 5 in a 2 to 1 game. Talk to me when they aren't using him in those situations.

I mean, I probably won't . It doesn't bother me what you think; I get how you've gotten there from the historical context of the last few seasons.

But Lindgren isn't being paired with Fox anymore, and there is no way that anybody watching the game, or anybody in the lockerroom, can deny that his play has been abhorrent to this point. If this is what he's going to look like moving forward, then he's on borrowed time.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I don't think there's any doubt that Lindgren will be traded. Rangers are just hoping to build up his trade value so as not to lose him for nothing -- at least that's the way I see it.

I'm pretty confident this is something fans made up. Players that coaches think help their team win play. It's unfortunate that Lavi thinks Lindgren gives his team the best chance to win but he's not getting played to showcase him. And if he is it's stupid because he's not looking good out there.

I mean, I probably won't . It doesn't bother me what you think; I get how you've gotten there from the historical context of the last few seasons.

But Lindgren isn't being paired with Fox anymore, and there is no way that anybody watching the game, or anybody in the lockerroom, can deny that his play has been abhorrent to this point. If this is what he's going to look like moving forward, then he's on borrowed time.

Dude, he just got paired with Fox again. Lavi thinks he's good.