Blue Jays Discussion: WAR! Huh! What is it good for? Quick looks at players' whole on-field contributions!

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TootooTrain

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Stroman's line so far: 3 IP, 4 R, 8 H, 3 BB, 5 K (81 pitches, 46 strikes). Seemed to have his command back in third, but got hit. #BlueJays
 

Woodman19

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The key was that he could get to 85 pitches without any aches or pains. I wouldn't put to much worry on stats as he could of been working on a pitch or two only.
 

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Not overly concerned with Stroman. It happens. A little bit concerning that it was against a crappy Nantucket and the walks are a bit concerning, but the K's are definitely a really good sign.
 

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8 hits + 3 walks in 3 innings in AAA? I wouldn't start him against the Yankees. He's coming off an injury and hasn't even performed average at triple A yet.

Also, is there any reason to start Martin over Navarro at this point? Martin isn't hitting and he's injured.
 

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meh. I'm not worried about his stats there. It's purely about his pitch count.

As others said, in this situation, he was likely looking to get comfortable in all his pitches, and do what he can that way.

He said he felt great, which is all we really needed.
 

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meh. I'm not worried about his stats there. It's purely about his pitch count.

As others said, in this situation, he was likely looking to get comfortable in all his pitches, and do what he can that way.

He said he felt great, which is all we really needed.

I wouldn't expect Stroman to say anything else. :laugh: His entire year was dedicated to rehabbing for this start - I don't see him saying "I felt terrible", even if he did. His location was terrible from what I've heard.

A better question is who do you feel better about starting in New York on Saturday - Buerhle or Stroman?

Personally, Buehrle. I'll always air on the side of caution - instead of putting Stroman back and getting him lit up. I would lower the expectations of Stroman and start him out of the pen.
 

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I wouldn't expect Stroman to say anything else. :laugh: His entire year was dedicated to rehabbing for this start - I don't see him saying "I felt terrible", even if he did. His location was terrible from what I've heard.

Only Stroman knows how he felt. No one else can say otherwise.

This was the first time he faced any sort of competition and scenarios like this all year, he was focusing on his arm, and his pitches.

This isn't about the stat line. He was able to go 85 pitches, and could have went more if things had went more his way.

That's the biggest thing we are looking for, how his strength is, whether there's any discomfort.


Id maybe give him another start at AAA, and push back his start until early next week, but other than that, there's no real concern here.
 

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Id maybe give him another start at AAA, and push back his start until early next week, but other than that, there's no real concern here.

That's going to be tough, considering AAA season is over.
 

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Personally, Buehrle. I'll always air on the side of caution - instead of putting Stroman back and getting him lit up. I would lower the expectations of Stroman and start him out of the pen.

Buerhle has awful numbers in New York though, so I wouldn't say it's being cautious .. If anything, at best, you're hoping that Buerhle earns no more than 3-4 runs ad the offense picks up the slack. Stroman is more of a boom/bust play - he could pitch great or he could implode.

It's a very tough call .. Can't say I'll be mad one way or the other with the decision

Another option would be to start Buerhle on Saturday with a very short leash - and have Stroman come in early if Buerhle struggles out of the gate.
 

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The key was that he could get to 85 pitches without any aches or pains. I wouldn't put to much worry on stats as he could of been working on a pitch or two only.

exactly, very likely they wanted him to throw specific pitches to get a read on how they were moving and his velocity
 

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Stroman starting against the Yankees
 

theaub

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Just a friendly reminder of Buehrle's stats in NYS

9 GS, 0-7, 6.22 ERA, 1.579 WHIP, 5.4 K/9, 2.5 BB/9, 2.3 HR/9
 

WTFMAN99

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Just a friendly reminder of Buehrle's stats in NYS

9 GS, 0-7, 6.22 ERA, 1.579 WHIP, 5.4 K/9, 2.5 BB/9, 2.3 HR/9

I'd chance Stroman at this point...since Buerhle's really shaky the last while.
 

Canada4Gold

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Frustrating day. I guess it was for the best that I didn't see the game today.

I think I start Stro Saturday, despte his struggles today. If you don't let him get a start you won't likely get him a start because he's not going back to face weaker hitters again in Lansing, and if he comes out of the pen for long he won't be stretched out.

He gave up a bunch of runners today and the walks are concerning, but 8 of the 11 guys that hit the ball got a hit. That's an astronomical BABIP, even if someone is just grooving meatballs down the middle, more than that will be hit to a fielder. So he was bad, but a little unlucky too I'd imagine.

Buehrle has been bad against New York in his career so it's not like he's that great of an option either. I'd go with Stro but have him on a short leash.
 

Eyedea

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Stroman pitched poorly today in Buffalo, so he may not be the answer either.

Well they certainly won't make it a "bullpen" day against the Yanks, but you make it so whoever goes out there will be on a short leash. I still bank on Stroman over Buehrle or Hutch though at Yankee Stadium.
 
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