Confirmed with Link: Walman and a 2nd Round Pick traded to SJ

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Help me understand why GMs have to be totally disclose and divulge their plans and thoughts on players before trading them. Other than injuries, why do GMs have to discuss with other GMs why they’re trading players or their locker room fits or issues? Isn’t that what scouts are for? Couldn’t that open up GMs to being accused of “blackballing “ players?

Imagine if your ability to do your job relied upon dealing with the same 31 people and companies and that's it. There is never an option to go anywhere else.

They may not get into the in-depth nitty gritty about a player but if a GM trades a problematic player and misleads the other GM, that's not gonna be good for business going forward. Not only with the GM he screwed over but all the other ones that will hear about it.

 

[izlez]

There aren't many secrets to hide anymore. Think about all of the players, coaches, managers, team personnel, agents, advisors, etc. that have come in contact with this kid since he was 18. I would agree that some have more tolerance for certain behavior than others or believe that a player has the ability to change in a different environment. Those, however, are situations where known risk is being assumed. My money says the book was out on Walman, It was just a question of whether someone else was going to put up with what Detroit would not.

For the record I think the exact same thing was true of Vrana and that the Wings knew what they were getting into when they took him back.

Doesn't everyone knowing everything about him since he was 18 take us back to re-signing him being a mistake?

 

[OldnotDeadWings]

Doesn't everyone knowing everything about him since he was 18 take us back to re-signing him being a mistake?

No, for reasons stated in previous posts. The GM only interested in doing something that has no risk is going to end up doing nothing.

 

[sepster]

Doesn't everyone knowing everything about him since he was 18 take us back to re-signing him being a mistake?

Not necessarily.

Yzerman could very well have told Walman he likes his ability and what he can bring to the team, but you have these issues that need to be worked out. Walman then tells Mr. Yzerman that he understands and is on board and all in.
Yzerman is willing to take that chance because, if it works out, the payoff is well worth it.
Then, in reality, Walman doesn't follow through on his end. Yzerman thinks, "that sonovabirtch hood-winked me!!" and ships him out.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Doesn't everyone knowing everything about him since he was 18 take us back to re-signing him being a mistake?

Yzerman has been trying to improve the team through all methods available, which includes taking relatively low risk gambles on players with some question marks.

 

[Retire91]

Don't. I'm not in the US.

Yes, but he failed to see it before he gave him a raise. That happened. Are we not at the point where we can bitch about what Yzerman did yet?

The whinging is more like its over as if this were a trend. Every GM is going to have off decisions here and there. If you built a house, would there not be a single thing that went wrong? The level of whining is not in correlation with the things that have not gone right IMO

I choose not to gripe about the GM that has made the team better every single season he has been here. There is a simple explanation, singing him felt to Yzerman like the right thing for the organization at the time, trading him felt like the right thing for the organization at the time. There is a difference between incompetency and things that just didn't work out. I like a GM that takes calculated risks and moves on when they don't work out.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Doesn't everyone knowing everything about him since he was 18 take us back to re-signing him being a mistake?

It certainly adds to the risk of re-signing him. I won't fight you on that.

 

[Our Lady Peace]

With the way we talk about Walman, it feels like we traded Lucas Raymond and a 1st for the corpse of Corey Perry lmfao

I feel like we would be complaining about Walman's own shortcomings like we do with all of our other defenseman not named Moritz or Simon...

Can't wait until this saga dies

 

[Konnan511]

Imagine if your ability to do your job relied upon dealing with the same 31 people and companies and that's it. There is never an option to go anywhere else.

They may not get into the in-depth nitty gritty about a player but if a GM trades a problematic player and misleads the other GM, that's not gonna be good for business going forward. Not only with the GM he screwed over but all the other ones that will hear about it.

Did you say Griddy?

 

[Peter Tosh]

Would be interesting to learn more about what the flaws are and how they effect the team. Seems like he’s got a special personality and really likes attention

 

[Juha]

Oh, I don't know why but, I am strangely enough getting a ”Franzen vs Hossa” vibe from all of this. Like this could go on for the next decade. ”Where did Yzerman go wrong with the rebuild? -Well remember the Walman trade, that was the start of it...” etc...





P.S. Mind you, I am not saying that people shouldn't discuss this, far from it. I am just personally on some level weirdly amused by all of this. Yes, I know. I am weird.