Confirmed with Link: Walman and a 2nd Round Pick traded to SJ

The Zermanator

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  • Warsofsky didn't want to divulge details, but said about the scratch: "No one is bigger than the team. We're about the team, and getting better as an organization, our culture, our standards, is really all I can say to that."

Can the Walman issue be put to rest now? That's two teams now where there are similar whispers that he's not committed and invested in the success of the team. Yzerman wanted to get rid of a locker room cancer (who's on-ice play wasn't much better) and he found a way to do it by making a lateral move rather than being forced to take a step back to get rid of him. Considering the team is full of young, impressionable players, with more on the way, I'd say that was a very sensible decision. Good riddance and move on.
 

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Sorry, one SJ scratch is not enough to justify what Steve did. Maybe Walman is locker room poison I don't know, but I don't believe we had to make the move we did to get rid of him. I am ready to move on about this however.
 

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Can the Walman issue be put to rest now? That's two teams now where there are similar whispers that he's not committed and invested in the success of the team. Yzerman wanted to get rid of a locker room cancer (who's on-ice play wasn't much better) and he found a way to do it by making a lateral move rather than being forced to take a step back to get rid of him. Considering the team is full of young, impressionable players, with more on the way, I'd say that was a very sensible decision. Good riddance and move on.

I’m honestly over it, but I don’t know what you mean “lateral move rather than taking a step back”. How is losing a 2nd round pick lateral?

We don’t know exactly what went on behind the scenes, but he could have shopped him saying “he just doesn’t fit our vision. Want him for a 3rd? Ok fine we’ll settle for a 5th”. The guy may have some warts, but they weren’t very public and we didn’t have to let the whole world know he was a bad cancer before getting rid of him
 

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I’m honestly over it, but I don’t know what you mean “lateral move rather than taking a step back”. How is losing a 2nd round pick lateral?

We don’t know exactly what went on behind the scenes, but he could have shopped him saying “he just doesn’t fit our vision. Want him for a 3rd? Ok fine we’ll settle for a 5th”. The guy may have some warts, but they weren’t very public and we didn’t have to let the whole world know he was a bad cancer before getting rid of him
You don't get far in the NHL by screwing over other GMs. Everyone talked about Stevie "fleecing" other GMs, but what they gave him were flawed players at a discount whether it be Vrana, Walman, Husso, Ned, Fabbri, Leddy, etc. It's not like selling a used car, you only have 31 trading partners and ALL of them talk to each other. Get a reputation as a guy that sells damaged good at a premium, and you get no trading partners. Good example is McPhee, he had such a bad reputation that other GMs would only talk to him if he overpaid, like Erat or Tats.

Walman has issues. Stevie sold him to the one team that needed him despite his personality flaws. Stevie threw the 2nd in because a buyout is definitely a possibility. You need to look at the whole picture and not just Walman's on ice performance. He's actually beyond ADA territory for healthy scratch, Walman didn't even last ONE MONTH.

I questioned the trade as well, but given the new data, I am on Stevie's side with it. Sometimes when you get new information, you have to digest it and change your mind.
 

The Zermanator

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I’m honestly over it, but I don’t know what you mean “lateral move rather than taking a step back”. How is losing a 2nd round pick lateral?

Because on the morning of June 25th, Detroit's organizational assets included Walman and Gibson. On the evening of June 25th, Detroit had the exact same assets, minus Walman and with Kiiskinen instead of Gibson. Dropped Walman and all it cost was a lateral move from Gibson to Kiiskinen.

The level of attachment around here to this 2nd round pick we had for all of 20 minutes is downright bizarre. Here's the plain, obvious truth: we were never meant to have that pick. He wanted to get rid of Walman, he found out what it would cost, and he found a way to do it without having to take any steps back as an organization. He clearly already knew that 2nd round pick was destined for San Jose when he acquired it from Nashville, it was never intended to be ours. Therefore we didn't 'lose' anything.

We don’t know exactly what went on behind the scenes, but he could have shopped him saying “he just doesn’t fit our vision. Want him for a 3rd? Ok fine we’ll settle for a 5th”. The guy may have some warts, but they weren’t very public and we didn’t have to let the whole world know he was a bad cancer before getting rid of him

I said this in a previous comment at some point, paraphrasing here: The simplest explanation is that people around here need to consider the possibility they were wrong about Walman's trade value.

Other NHL teams aren't stupid. They have scouts and the decision-makers also pay attention to what's happening around the league. The undefined background issues are only one part of the problem, his on-ice play was the other one. He was not good in Detroit in 2023/24, simple as that. In fact he was quite bad, notwithstanding a few flashy goals.

At a time when cap space was at a major premium, that not only limited which teams could even fit him under the cap, but also which teams would even see value in him with his contract relative to his performance. 2 years at 3.4M for a defensive chaos agent is not a "how much are you willing to pay me" situation, it's a "how much will it cost to take him off my hands" situation. Yzerman had to pay to get rid of Walman for the same reason he would need to pay to get rid of Holl. They had/have negative value relative to their cap hits.

And like @Gniwder said, there are consequences for dishonest, underhanded tactics. No other GM would want to deal in good faith with Yzerman if they had no confidence he'd do the same.
 

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Only took four and a half months for it to become obvious to hopefully everyone now that Yzerman knew what he was doing all along. The really savvy aspect of all this is the Gibson trade. I wouldn't be surp;rised to find out the Walman plus a 2nd rounder agreement was settled days before it was announced, the Wings wantiing some time to come up with another second round pick. Nashville obviously liked Gibson a lot to give up a pick they could have used to try to draft a better prospect, and the Wings must have done a deep dive into their prospect list to find the guy they wanted most. There were some complaints about the Gibson pick -- he's purely a defensive type -- but he proved to have pretty good value. Walman wasn't wanted, Gibson likely never needed with Seider/ASP/AlJo ahead of him, and the result is almost $7M in Cap space over two years and an interestng new winger prospect.

Almost sounds like a trade win instead of a debacle.
 
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He re upped the guy and then paid to get rid of him. Others are allowed their opinion that the guy wouldn't clear waivers. GM's make mistakes..even ours.
 

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I’m honestly over it, but I don’t know what you mean “lateral move rather than taking a step back”. How is losing a 2nd round pick lateral?

We don’t know exactly what went on behind the scenes, but he could have shopped him saying “he just doesn’t fit our vision. Want him for a 3rd? Ok fine we’ll settle for a 5th”. The guy may have some warts, but they weren’t very public and we didn’t have to let the whole world know he was a bad cancer before getting rid of him

And what should he have answered when the other GM asked "Ive seen your defensive corps. What do you mean he doesn't 'fit your vision?'"

It's a tightknit GM community. It's not going to bode well in future negotiations if a GM isn't relatively honest about a player they're trading.
 

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We live in an age where people will triple down on their own bias rather than take in new information.

Yzerman is a seasoned and savvy GM, there was a reason he paid to "git rid of" Walman
 
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We live in an age where people will triple down on their own bias rather than take in new information.

Yzerman is a seasoned and savvy GM, there was a reason he paid to "git rid of" Walman

Don't. I'm not in the US.

Yes, but he failed to see it before he gave him a raise. That happened. Are we not at the point where we can bitch about what Yzerman did yet?
 

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Yes, but he failed to see it before he gave him a raise. That happened. Are we not at the point where we can bitch about what Yzerman did yet?
so your whining about yzerman not being able to predict what improper , according to nhl culture at least , off ice habits a player may assume ????? youve a ridiculous/worthless veiwpoint on the matter that shouldnt be taken seriously . its more like you just have a need to bitch about something
 
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Yes, but he failed to see it before he gave him a raise. That happened. Are we not at the point where we can bitch about what Yzerman did yet?

Sometimes personality issues with prospects don't manifest itself until that prospect become a full time NHLer. Heck, I've seen similar issues when contract worker get hired on full time. It's not just a NHL thing. People can hide issues. If you took a ski lesson from me, you'd swear I'm the nicest guy in the world, lol.

The trend with Walman is that the better he does on the ice, the bigger his off ice issue becomes. Maybe one day we'll find out what the issue actually is, but it's a moot point now, at least for us.
 

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