Obviously you are entitled to have this opinion but it doesn't really make the most sense because teams have inquired about what it would cost to get him in a trade. If he wasn't an asset at this point teams looking to win would not be contacting the Blues.
Rumor: Vladimir Tarasenko requests a trade
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Obviously you are entitled to have this opinion but it doesn't really make the most sense because teams have inquired about what it would cost to get him in a trade. If he wasn't an asset at this point teams looking to win would not be contacting the Blues.
They might also be inquiring into what St. Louis is willing to do to make it work.
Eggtimer
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At zero retention and 9.5 million in actual money coming off a season where revenues were almost non existent , I would say that his value is not as good as it would usually be. I don’t think he has no value as he has a cache of previous elite production and that alone should make him have some value. Worth increases as the retention increases of course but by no means is value of a former 35-40 G player in is prime.
You said he's not an asset. Why would a team wanting to win want to make anything work with a player who is not an asset?
Perhaps you're confused what an asset is... I dunno
According to Webster it's "someone or something that provides a benefit"
I'm just trying to get a clearer picture into what you're trying to say. You are under the impression Tarasenko is not "someone or something that provides a benefit" to a winning team yet they are calling the Blues to see what St. Louis is willing to do to make it work. Is that your final answer?
Hahaha whatever you say man.
Tarasenko at full cap hit is a negative asset. Does that help with the semantics?
Someone might trade for him but they are sending a crap contract back or you are retaining a bunch of money.
This is a Russian on his last legs making way too much money. He was once great. Now he is a body check away from ltir
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He has 2 years left on his contract and is finally healthy and will be 30 in December.
He still has a few more productive years left. He’s not a negative, just a decent risk.
It’s not semantics. Why would a team wanting to win (not a rebuilding team) want to trade for a negative asset?
This is the part of the conversation in which you have not tried to explain. Don’t worry about salary retention or details of the trade. Simply explain why a team in a win now mode would ever want a player on their team who is a negative asset.
Forge
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What is the word with regards to possibly leaving him exposed to Seattle? Is that a thing that will happen?
Andy Strickland said today the Blues would not want to give him away without receiving assets.
Army won't pay Seattle. My guess if he is protected then he has a deal after draft if he isn't protected then seatle takes him but army won't give up assets and I bet if he can't find a suitor then tarasenko will be a blue until other wise. This shtick that tarasenko has negative value is hf bs
Forge
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Agreed.
I also feel weirdly that no matter what the eventual compensation is, I'm going to be like, "yeah, okay...that makes sense" and it doesn't matter if it's like two third round picks or a late first and an okay prospect.
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Seems like a huge risk. Seems like a good candidate to be dealt for conditional picks based on performance and GP
Coming off his surgery he had 14pts 24 games that equates in a full season that's 14 goals 48 points. On his real span in two years just imagine what he will do this year.
As long as we can still do that, I approve of this idea. Same for Eichel. Teams with damaged players need to get full value, but the acquiring team can't take on all the risk.
Conditional assets is the best way for two teams to balance the risk of a transaction like this.
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I'm pretty sure they only banned conditional picks based on re-signing
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I could see that working for both teams but based on all we have heard Tank wants to go to east coast of US or one of Florida teams. He might expand beyond that, but he has to be okay with going to Montreal for it to happen and I don't think he is at this point.
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not sure how it works with 'conditions' these days, but I would agree with this. would seem fairer for both sides
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man.. have liked that kid for awhile.. shame how his career has gone... he shoulda been a star by now
Because teams in win now mode don’t have $7.5 in cap space to take a risk on a guy who hasn’t been healthy in a very long time.
If you are going to take a risk like that and give up assets, the cap hit better be low.
There is no risk with out possible reward and the reward on taraenko is higher than any player currently. He just player 31 games. He has gone through physicals and all his medical records have been made available. He is good to go. In his first 24 games he was .56 ppg. Wich would have paced him for 48 points. So no he has had 31 games. At this point over 10 high double digits which I assum meant like 16 18 teams are interested. I am sure some offer will be made or he will be exposed or traded to Seattle. Whom has to hit the floor.
With our coach locker room and media. I think he would probably like Here and probably thrive. Berube demands alot and will fight for his players. He is well respected. The locker has a lot of leadership. The media isn't crazy here neither are fans. I really think he could thrice here
I tried to walk you through your own thoughts and clearly it's not working.
You claimed Tarasenko is not an asset. The fact is no team in a win now mode is going to acquire a player who they feel can't improve their chances of winning. There's no amount of salary retention to turn a player from a non-asset to an asset.
Florida isn't going to say well we don't like Tarasenko and think there's no possible way he can help us win more than our current roster but,,,,, if only the Blues could retain 4 million dollars that would turn him into a player we really think is an asset. It doesn't work like that.
Teams can and do retain salary from time to time but it doesn't magically make a player better.
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