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Blue Jays Discussion: Vladdy has signed 14 yr/500mil
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I'm not sure what that's supposed to indicate. Yes, if the team hangs onto Bichette and Nimmala comes up and can rake then yeah you absolutely look at putting him at short and Bichette at 2nd. That probably should be how it goes.
My thing is that there was suggestion that Nimmala's presence in the system makes the decision on what to do with Bichette. Specifically that it makes it easier to let him walk because there's reinforcements coming.
My counterpoint is that we still don't really know what Nimmala will be. Plenty of prospects look great in A-ball then flame out somewhere between there and the bigs. There might only be 2 stops between Vancouver and Toronto, but it's not a given that Nimmala continues to hit for power and keeps his strikeouts down all the way up, and lots of guys are totally fine until they hit the wall in AA (where there is supposed to be a big jump in going from single A or high A to AA because it's often a separator level for pitchers) or AAA. So deciding that Nimmala makes Bichette expendable is basically asking for Nimmala to struggle at one of his next couple of stops. And then what? You've let Bichette go on the promise of a kid who won't be what he was supposed to be and the team is left with nothing.
I think you make the decision about Bichette on its own merits. If he's willing to stay for a fair price and on the understanding that he could be moved to 2nd if someone displaces him, perfect. If he asks for too much and/or refuses to consider how his future might shift away from being an everyday shortstop with the insistence of being paid like one, you move on. Nimmala is not now a factor in that calculus and cannot be until he is basically knocking on the door of the majors.
The main reason Yesavage was sent to Dunedin was the weather in the Vancouver league the weather can be bad early on, so they wanted to get hima consistent routine and starts.
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This team sucks. Time to retool around Vlad. Trade Bo, Bassitt, Gausman for prospects. Dump Springer's contract before he gets injured.
Pretty good day for the whole system, Jays on down: 5-0 sweep, 48runs, 14runs allowed.
AAA BUFF: This is the kinda game I expected more of when I blathered on about the AAA offence during the off-season. 17 runs. 7 guys had multi hit games. Homers from Wagner, Roden, Robertson, OMart. Joey Loperfido 2-4 with a 2b, bb and 2sb’s. Roden had 4 hits, a 3b shy of the cycle, 5ribbies. Bullpen day….two good performances, 1 okay, one meh. Musta been a fun one.
A+ VAN: Grant Rogers great start again, another pitching promotion candidate. 5ip, 6bb+h, 0 er, 7ks. C Aaron Parker in beast mode led the offence: 3-5, hr, 3b and hr, 4ribbies. 2-run shots for Sean Keys and Eddie Michelleti. Adrian Pinto 2hits and 2sbs.
A DUN: Same story, predictable strong start for Khal Stephen: 5.2ip, 3h, 0bb, 1er, 5ks. Balanced offence put up 9 runs on 16hits. Manuel Beltre swiped a pair of bags.
A FCL: the closest one of the day. More rehab outings. Landon Maroudis made a triumphant return to the hill with 3 shutout innings and 3ks. Ryan Burr pitched a scoreless frame. Erik Swanson, on the other hand did not record an out against four batters, giving up a homer and 4runs/2earned.
So, back to action this week: McIllvain, Maroudis, Burr and Swanson. Good sign.
AAA BUFF: This is the kinda game I expected more of when I blathered on about the AAA offence during the off-season. 17 runs. 7 guys had multi hit games. Homers from Wagner, Roden, Robertson, OMart. Joey Loperfido 2-4 with a 2b, bb and 2sb’s. Roden had 4 hits, a 3b shy of the cycle, 5ribbies. Bullpen day….two good performances, 1 okay, one meh. Musta been a fun one.
A+ VAN: Grant Rogers great start again, another pitching promotion candidate. 5ip, 6bb+h, 0 er, 7ks. C Aaron Parker in beast mode led the offence: 3-5, hr, 3b and hr, 4ribbies. 2-run shots for Sean Keys and Eddie Michelleti. Adrian Pinto 2hits and 2sbs.
A DUN: Same story, predictable strong start for Khal Stephen: 5.2ip, 3h, 0bb, 1er, 5ks. Balanced offence put up 9 runs on 16hits. Manuel Beltre swiped a pair of bags.
A FCL: the closest one of the day. More rehab outings. Landon Maroudis made a triumphant return to the hill with 3 shutout innings and 3ks. Ryan Burr pitched a scoreless frame. Erik Swanson, on the other hand did not record an out against four batters, giving up a homer and 4runs/2earned.
So, back to action this week: McIllvain, Maroudis, Burr and Swanson. Good sign.
Loperfido is starting to hit well.
I've said this before, but there are a lot of good pitching prospects at the lower level. After drafting and developing very few good pitching prospects, it looks like they have made good progress.
Carson Messina pitched the other day at the FCL. Hopefully, King starts pitching at the FCL soon. Both guys have good upside.
Yup, ops up over 750. Still striking out a lot, somewhere around 30%.
He’s a talented toolsy guy. If he gets that figured out, that’s a player.
Blue Jays’ Bo Bichette refining defence that could shape his potential free agency
"I'm making some improvements on how to get my range back, and I've made some good adjustments," the Blue Jays shortstop said.
www.nytimes.com
One of the biggest indicators of defensive range is pure foot speed. That’s a hard one to train and doesn’t improve with age. When Bichette broke into the big leagues as a 21-year-old, he ranked in the 83rd percentile, per Baseball Savant’s sprint speed (28.4 feet per second). Last year, as Bichette battled through multiple calf injuries, he sat in the 49th percentile (27.3). In 2025, Toronto’s shortstop is down to the 28th percentile (26.2).
That trend, on top of the offensive outlier that was Bichette’s 2024 season, is what makes the shortstop’s potential free agency this winter — or trade deadline market — so interesting. If the Blue Jays fail to extend Bichette, he’ll enter the market as a 27-year-old free agent with All-Star upside and three years with MVP votes.
But what is his defensive future? Bichette is likely to move off shortstop eventually, wherever he ends up this offseason. That move could come in three years or, for some teams, as soon as next season. It could come sooner if he’s traded.
There are certainly teams for which Bichette will be an obvious shortstop option, including the Blue Jays. The Milwaukee Brewers rank last in baseball with minus-1.5 wins above average from the position and have plenty of money coming off the books. The Atlanta Braves haven’t finished higher than 20th in shortstop wins above average since 2022. If you expand to teams that could use a second baseman, though, Bichette’s potential market opens even more.
“I know there are teams that have shortstops that wouldn’t move,” Bichette said. “But I’m just focused on what I can do right now to help my team win, whatever way I can.”
Getting back to his place as an offensive weapon is the biggest task for Bichette this season. After a brutal 2024, he has seen his elite contact return, his strikeout rate drop and his power begin to flash, with a streak-snapping home run on the weekend. If the Blue Jays shortstop can remind baseball he’s a threat at the plate, teams will find a place for him in the field. The question is where.
Since April 22nd, his K rate is just 18%. Smaller sample size, but he seems to be making progress.
Blue Jays’ Bo Bichette refining defence that could shape his potential free agency
"I'm making some improvements on how to get my range back, and I've made some good adjustments," the Blue Jays shortstop said.
One of the biggest indicators of defensive range is pure foot speed. That’s a hard one to train and doesn’t improve with age. When Bichette broke into the big leagues as a 21-year-old, he ranked in the 83rd percentile, per Baseball Savant’s sprint speed (28.4 feet per second). Last year, as Bichette battled through multiple calf injuries, he sat in the 49th percentile (27.3). In 2025, Toronto’s shortstop is down to the 28th percentile (26.2).
That trend, on top of the offensive outlier that was Bichette’s 2024 season, is what makes the shortstop’s potential free agency this winter — or trade deadline market — so interesting. If the Blue Jays fail to extend Bichette, he’ll enter the market as a 27-year-old free agent with All-Star upside and three years with MVP votes.
But what is his defensive future? Bichette is likely to move off shortstop eventually, wherever he ends up this offseason. That move could come in three years or, for some teams, as soon as next season. It could come sooner if he’s traded.
There are certainly teams for which Bichette will be an obvious shortstop option, including the Blue Jays. The Milwaukee Brewers rank last in baseball with minus-1.5 wins above average from the position and have plenty of money coming off the books. The Atlanta Braves haven’t finished higher than 20th in shortstop wins above average since 2022. If you expand to teams that could use a second baseman, though, Bichette’s potential market opens even more.
“I know there are teams that have shortstops that wouldn’t move,” Bichette said. “But I’m just focused on what I can do right now to help my team win, whatever way I can.”
Getting back to his place as an offensive weapon is the biggest task for Bichette this season. After a brutal 2024, he has seen his elite contact return, his strikeout rate drop and his power begin to flash, with a streak-snapping home run on the weekend. If the Blue Jays shortstop can remind baseball he’s a threat at the plate, teams will find a place for him in the field. The question is where.
Everything about Bichette just feels less explosive than it did circa 2021.
The speed is down, the power is down. Looks thicker and heavier. Those huge cuts he used to always take have mostly disappeared. He knows how to hit and can spray balls all over the field for a good average but at this point he seems to be trending very pointedly toward being a 2-3 WAR 2B rather than the superstar SS he looked to be earlier in his career.
At this point signing him to the contract he's going to want seems suspect.
And, most importantly, my wife’s crush on him has dissipated and shifted to Barger.
I thought i was the only one that noticed this.
When they showed close ups of him for the first time during the season i was like "...Was Bo always that pudgy or are the uniforms screwing with my eyes?"
I will contend that it could very well be his ankle injury made it harder for him to stay/get into a more optimal playing shape, but that combined with everything else isn't exactly a great look for a guy likely expecting 250+ million on his next deal.
I don't know if it's being out of shape or just that his body has naturally changed as he's moved toward his late 20s. He was probably the skinniest player in MLB when he first came up (and it was crazy how much power he could generate by uncoiling that skinny frame) but he was never still going to be built like that when he was 30. He looks to have added more muscle but lost explosiveness - something that happens to a lot of hockey players between age 20 and 30 as well.
King pitched today. He is someone who could jump up on the prospect rankings quite a bit.
Since RJ Schreck returned on April 29th, he has a wRC of 234 and an ISO of .472!
I expect him to get called up to Buffalo soon.
I expect him to get called up to Buffalo soon.
Holy shit the Rockies are ass lmao
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And their top pick in 2024 is off to a great start to his pro career...
Not to say that Condon didn't have absolute boom/bust potential but if I were a prospect that's probably the one org I might actually refuse to join.
Minus 134 run differential, and the next worst team is the Orioles, which are at -69.
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Not really surprising considering the season they are having
3-2 day on the farm yesterday.
AAA BUF came up short in a pitching duel. Lazaro Estrada spun 4 scoreless innings with 5ks. Rakin’ Roden 3-4, Babe swiped two bags. Will Wagner pulled, maybe hurt?
AA NH split a double dip. Ryan Watson struggled in the opener taking the L. Aforementioned RJ Schreck hit a bomb.
Won the second game handily, both Yohendrick Pinango and RJ Schreck had 3 hits, Schreck another bomb. Cade Doughty hitting, ops of .835. Bullpen start was a success, led by Michael Dominguez (remember him?). No earned runs between the three pitchers.
A+ VAN lost a snug one. Jackson Wentworth struggled. Nimmala hit his 7th.
A DUN got a gem from Gilberto Batista, 5 shutout innings, 5bb+h, 9ks for the W. Manuel Beltre 2-4, 2 steals, 2 runs, and Devonte Brown 2-3 with all 3 ribbies.
A FCL lost it late. SP Silvano Hecchevaria tossed 4 fine innings, followed by Johnny Kings swell debut: 2 scoreless innings, 3k’s. David Beckles 3-3, ops 1.220. Offence swiped 6 bags.
AAA BUF came up short in a pitching duel. Lazaro Estrada spun 4 scoreless innings with 5ks. Rakin’ Roden 3-4, Babe swiped two bags. Will Wagner pulled, maybe hurt?
AA NH split a double dip. Ryan Watson struggled in the opener taking the L. Aforementioned RJ Schreck hit a bomb.
Won the second game handily, both Yohendrick Pinango and RJ Schreck had 3 hits, Schreck another bomb. Cade Doughty hitting, ops of .835. Bullpen start was a success, led by Michael Dominguez (remember him?). No earned runs between the three pitchers.
A+ VAN lost a snug one. Jackson Wentworth struggled. Nimmala hit his 7th.
A DUN got a gem from Gilberto Batista, 5 shutout innings, 5bb+h, 9ks for the W. Manuel Beltre 2-4, 2 steals, 2 runs, and Devonte Brown 2-3 with all 3 ribbies.
A FCL lost it late. SP Silvano Hecchevaria tossed 4 fine innings, followed by Johnny Kings swell debut: 2 scoreless innings, 3k’s. David Beckles 3-3, ops 1.220. Offence swiped 6 bags.
Watts-Brown is a pitcher to keep an eye on. Last year, his control was an issue, walking 5+ batters per 9 innings. This year it is 2.78.
His strikeout rate is over 15.00 per 9, which is crazy for a starter.
He is repeating high A, but if he falters as a starter, he would likely make an excellent reliever.
Had his best start this year with 6 innings pitched, 10k and only 2 hits and no walks.
A lot of us have shit on the organization for not developing pitchers but there is a lot of promise at the lower levels in regards to pitching. This doesn't include Bloss, Tiedemann, and Barriera(wouldn't surprise me to see him pitch in a FCL this week).
It will be interesting to see what the Jays do at the draft.
Overall, it has been a solid start for the Jays' farm system. For me, the biggest disappointment has been Charles McAdoo.
His strikeout rate is over 15.00 per 9, which is crazy for a starter.
He is repeating high A, but if he falters as a starter, he would likely make an excellent reliever.
Had his best start this year with 6 innings pitched, 10k and only 2 hits and no walks.
A lot of us have shit on the organization for not developing pitchers but there is a lot of promise at the lower levels in regards to pitching. This doesn't include Bloss, Tiedemann, and Barriera(wouldn't surprise me to see him pitch in a FCL this week).
It will be interesting to see what the Jays do at the draft.
Overall, it has been a solid start for the Jays' farm system. For me, the biggest disappointment has been Charles McAdoo.
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