Player Discussion Vitali Kravtsov - ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

VanJack

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What are you talking about? The discussion (which you raised) is whether Kravtsov can "refine" his two-way 200 foot game. Tocchet can "co-exist" with any player. The fact that he can "co-exist" with a player is irrelevant to the discussion as it doesn't mean Kravtsov can/has refined his two-way 200foot game and that Tocchet will play/utilize such player.
Granted it was only a limited sample size, but in his brief stint with the Canucks his defensive game wasn't all that bad. It was offense, where he delivered almost nothing.

And clearly he didn't want to play another season in the AHL. So he went back to Russia where he could earn more money. But maybe with the benefit of more pro experience in the KHL, he can 'improve', 'develop', or 'refine' his two-way game?

We're arguing about 'semantics' here.
 

RobertKron

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Granted it was only a limited sample size, but in his brief stint with the Canucks his defensive game wasn't all that bad. It was offense, where he delivered almost nothing.

And clearly he didn't want to play another season in the AHL. So he went back to Russia where he could earn more money. But maybe with the benefit of more pro experience in the KHL, he can 'improve', 'develop', or 'refine' his two-way game?

We're arguing about 'semantics' here.

What part of this argument was semantic, exactly?
 

Lindgren

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The difference between 'refine', 'develop' or 'improve'. A dictionary might help.
Many probably don't know that a dictionary is a book (or an on-line equivalent) that lists words alphabetically and provides definitions and etymologies. The Oxford (commonly referred to as the OED) lists definitions chronologically, from the first known use of a word to its most current. Most others list the definitions in order of contemporary frequency.
 

RobertKron

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The difference between 'refine', 'develop' or 'improve'. A dictionary might help.
But you're the only one who has introduced these terms (uh, and I'm pretty sure you first introduced two of them in the paragraph immediately above your claim that the argument was about semantics). Did you quote @F A N by accident, and you were actually for some reason telling us that you're currently locked in the throes of a semantic argument with yourself?

@F A N and @Lindgren were very clearly disagreeing with the premise of your statement rather than your chosen terminology.
 
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VanJack

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But you're the only one who has introduced these terms (uh, and I'm pretty sure you first introduced two of them in the paragraph immediately above your claim that the argument was about semantics). Did you quote @F A N by accident, and you were actually for some reason telling us that you're currently locked in the throes of a semantic argument with yourself?

@F A N and @Lindgren were very clearly disagreeing with the premise of your statement rather than your chosen terminology.
We need to reach an accommodation. I'll stop reading your posts if you stop reading mine.

If the purpose of this forum is to share 'hockey' opinions, then forcing people to actually read these exchanges is a waste of everyone's time.

But since this is supposed to be a discussion about Kravtsov's game, I understand what thoughtful posters are saying. It's unlikely he'll ever 'refine' his game to return to the NHL.

But the career of Valeri Nichushkin might offer glimmer of hope. He was a high draft pick of Dallas (10th overall in 2013). And after his career fell off a cliff with the Stars, he went back to KHL and played two seasons. And they were pretty underwhelming--24 points in 2016-17; and 27 points in 2017-18.

But he came back to the NHL and has had a pretty solid seven-year career with Colorado. So Kravtsov (9th overall by the Rangers in 2018) still may offer some hope. And the Canucks still own his rights.
 

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