Friedman: Vince Dunn available, Blues looking for a first round pick
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I am not sold on Dunn enough to give up Schneider, or a first with the way our season is going. We could definitely use some help. We have Fox, Trouba, Miller, and Lindgren. Maybe a dman can make the jump next year, but we still probably need one.
If you are not sold on Dunn then go after dermot cheaper, not as good of a player and has very little offensive upside. The old saying you get what you paid for.
I'm pretty sure the Blues will need to free up some cap space for when Tarasenko is back. So a 1st or more likely a 2nd +prospect is what we would want in return with no salary coming back. I would also assume only teams that would plan on protecting him would trade for him unless he goes as a rental later in the season. So most likely I think bad teams like Detroit or others would be the most likely as maybe Dunn would be protected on those teams.
As others have said Krug and Perunovich make Dunn expendable.
As others have said Krug and Perunovich make Dunn expendable.
Are you sure about the cap? Thought Steen retiring wasenough to get everyone signed and ready.
HabsAddict
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The Habs can afford the assets and he may be dynamite with Romanov....but....
We are going to lose him in the expansion draft. Petry, Weber and....Dunn or Edmy or Chiarot. At this point, to us, Chiarot is more more valuable then Dunn.
Basically, Dunn becomes a rental. Not worth any major asset. Period.
BTW...this also the reason the Blues are trying to trade him. Get something now before losing him for nothing.
We are going to lose him in the expansion draft. Petry, Weber and....Dunn or Edmy or Chiarot. At this point, to us, Chiarot is more more valuable then Dunn.
Basically, Dunn becomes a rental. Not worth any major asset. Period.
BTW...this also the reason the Blues are trying to trade him. Get something now before losing him for nothing.
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HabsAddict
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Exactly.
Dunn isn't going to push into top 4 of any good teams and probably won't make it to the top 3 on the rest.
For us, a trade would have to be an upgrade to Chiarot. Not exactly a high bar, but still, not easy to replace a hard nosed LHD with a younger player making 3.5 million.
I think they were trying to motivate him. Let it out he could be traded may light a fire under him. The Blues are going to lose a good player regardless of what happens. Either Dunn or Mikkola or one Sanford, Sunny, Barbashev.
Unless it is something really solid, I would rather have the depth as we make a run at the cup then 2nd rounders in a draft where it will be more of a crap shoot.
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It may light of fire.....or blow it out. Nobody wants to play under threats.
I like Dunn and I think there is more to him with the right partner. Somebody like Petry or Weber can bring him to top 4, but, with expansion, he's a guaranteed expansion fodder. So basically a rental.
We have a slew of young prospects, from good to likely top 4, but then, we need them to graduate and help with the cap. So none available. Mete? Good but no upgrade to Dunn. Mete and a 3rd? Sure, for a rental. But not likely enough.
In a normal year, Bbinz would be all over this but not now...
Nobody wants garbage for thier young talent. A 3rd doesn't make up for the drop in talent from Dunn to Mette. Blues want a first if you don't want to pay the first then just don't respond. There are about 6 teams very interested and about 4 more kicking the tires.
Lol he is easily top 4 on a lot of teams. Thats why there are about 6 teams very interested and r more kicking the tires. Lol
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Don't know him as a player so just checked his stats. Usually as a player gets more experience in a league they put up higher numbers, not lower. Why didn't his stats go up in his last year of junior and why did they go down in his last full year with the Blues? Does he quickly reach a ceiling on a team and need a change to improve?
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His stats went down do to shortened season. Lol just stop. 1st is the price. Can't afford it then go home lol
as a fellow Blues fan I am gonna go ahead and recommend you lower your expectations slightly. He almost certainly is not worth a first, especially in the current market with the general cap crunch and expansion draft upcoming.
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No doubt they're interested in Dunn but Schneider probably isn't a guy they want to deal away for him. He was a big get for them at the draft and is someone they think has a 1-2 year path to the NHL. I know on the surface that seems like "oooh.. prospects" kind of talk but they had him pretty damn close to the top-10 on their board.
3 months ago they were potentially looking at Dunn as a guy they could try with Trouba to see if they work. Now Dunn could very well be viewed as just a really good upgrade on Jack Johnson given how well Miller and Lindgren have been playing for us. Hell, 3 months ago the Rangers could've been considering giving up a 1st for Dunn. Now that pick looks like it could very well be a top-10 selection. Crazy what a few months can do.
Didn't you make similar comments about Allen....
My expectations are this, unless someone offers a first or similar value that meets the teams needs, then they just keep him. I dont see army taking mette, another dman that will not make the team. Why would we take a lesser pick and player to get worse. Maybe we add something to get what we need. Who knows.
Couple of your writers decided that a first would be ok with all the prospects they have..also and attempt to not let Philly get him
Not my teams writers. But because they write it means what exactly?
Philly is in line to win, rangers aren’t there yet.
CaliforniaBlues310
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How about Dunn+Sanford(50% retained for cap reasons) for Mittlestadt+Jokiharju with picks from both sides to balance it out?
Casey needs a change of scenery, and the Sabres need another LHD who can play in the top 4. They also have a lot of RHD depth.
Sanford is a middle six guy that you guys could definitely use behind Hall/Skinner on the left side.
On the Blues side, they could definitely use an upgrade at 3RD and have plenty of LHD depth.
Mittlestadt would have a roster spot until Vladi gets back, but the Blues are pretty low on center prospects, and we need a guy we can send to the taxi squad without losing them on waivers. Next season he’d have the 3C spot to lose when Bozak is gone.
Sabres-
Hall-Eichel-Olofsson
Skinner-Staal-Reinhart
Sanford-Cozens-Thompson
Rieder-Eakin-Okposo
Sheahan, Lazar
Dahlin-Miller
Dunn-Ristolainen
McCabe-Montour
Irwin
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Schenn-O’Reilly-Perron
Schwartz-Thomas-Tarasenko
Hoffman-Bozak-Kyrou
Clifford-Barbashev-Sundqvist
Blais, Mittlestadt(first call up)
Krug-Parayko
Scandella-Faulk
Mikkola-Jokiharju
Gunnarsson, Bortuzzo
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