Prospect Info: Ville Koivunen

[OtherThingsILike]

I'm not sure if someone posted this and I just missed it, but I guess it also belongs here anyway:

 

[Honour Over Glory]

7 points in 8 games color me impressed

Colour me impressed he didn’t demote a rookie while playing well like he usually likes to do. For some “lessons” he thinks they need. He has a history of doing that shit.

 

[SEALBound]

I can only imagine how close ol Gurgsy came to cutting himself every time he got a point. That 7pts in 8gp is gonna be a haunting echo the entire summer for him.

 

[Gurglesons]

I can only imagine how close ol Gurgsy came to cutting himself every time he got a point. That 7pts in 8gp is gonna be a haunting echo the entire summer for him.

Good start in the NHL. Hopefully he can keep it up.

Still don’t see the long term role in him here. If Sullivan plays him top six and top PP, I’m sure he’ll produce.

I remember when Michael Bunting was incredible too.

 

[SEALBound]

Good start in the NHL. Hopefully he can keep it up.

Still don’t see the long term role in him here. If Sullivan plays him top six and top PP, I’m sure he’ll produce.

I remember when Michael Bunting was incredible too.

 

[Jesse]

I'm late to the party here but he was unbelievable tonight. I thought the AHL game would slow down for him post-demotion, I didn't know it'd crawl to molasses. He was toying with people tonight.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I can only imagine how close ol Gurgsy came to cutting himself every time he got a point. That 7pts in 8gp is gonna be a haunting echo the entire summer for him.

As someone who shit on the Guentzel trade, its fantastic to see Koivunen thrive early with the Pens. Virtually no adjustment period, which is just what we needed.

 

[Gurglesons]

As someone who shit on the Guentzel trade, its fantastic to see Koivunen thrive early with the Pens. Virtually no adjustment period, which is just what we needed.

One thing I think we need to examine even though I hate per 60. @AuroraBorealis surprised you haven't brought this up.

Koivunen in 8 games while averaging 14:46 at 5v5 (which is more than Bryan Rust did this season) produced at a 1.01 pt pace per 60. That's lower than DOC, Dewar, Hayes, Lizotte and Eller at 5v5 this season.

For reference last season Puustinen produced at a 2.03 pt pace per 60.

 

[wej20]

One thing I think we need to examine even though I hate per 60. @AuroraBorealis surprised you haven't brought this up.

Koivunen in 8 games while averaging 14:46 at 5v5 (which is more than Bryan Rust did this season) produced at a 1.01 pt pace per 60. That's lower than DOC, Dewar, Hayes, Lizotte and Eller at 5v5 this season.

For reference last season Puustinen produced at a 2.03 pt pace per 60.

I don't think we need to worry about that till next season. Big thing for me is can his smarts make up for his lack of foot speed. and will Sully give him actual rope next year for meaninful games.

 

[Peat]

One thing I think we need to examine even though I hate per 60. @AuroraBorealis surprised you haven't brought this up.

Koivunen in 8 games while averaging 14:46 at 5v5 (which is more than Bryan Rust did this season) produced at a 1.01 pt pace per 60. That's lower than DOC, Dewar, Hayes, Lizotte and Eller at 5v5 this season.

For reference last season Puustinen produced at a 2.03 pt pace per 60.

Given that's a sub-200 minute sample where the team's shooting percentage was at 2.74% when he was on ice, there's a pretty good chance that's just noise.

If the team scores the expected 6 goals (rounded down from 6.45) rather than the actual 2 they did have from that, then Koivunen probably has 4 points from that which doubles his p/60. Sure it'd be interesting to dig at the video and see why expected isn't becoming actuality there, but when the team is creating chances with him on ice and the dude has a history of production, I feel pretty relaxed about that being a problem that'll work itself out.

 

[Gurglesons]

Given that's a sub-200 minute sample where the team's shooting percentage was at 2.74% when he was on ice, there's a pretty good chance that's just noise.

If the team scores the expected 6 goals (rounded down from 6.45) rather than the actual 2 they did have from that, then Koivunen probably has 4 points from that which doubles his p/60. Sure it'd be interesting to dig at the video and see why expected isn't becoming actuality there, but when the team is creating chances with him on ice and the dude has a history of production, I feel pretty relaxed about that being a problem that'll work itself out.

the Pittsburgh Penguins. Noted for constantly producing at their expected goal rates…

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

One thing I think we need to examine even though I hate per 60. @AuroraBorealis surprised you haven't brought this up.

Koivunen in 8 games while averaging 14:46 at 5v5 (which is more than Bryan Rust did this season) produced at a 1.01 pt pace per 60. That's lower than DOC, Dewar, Hayes, Lizotte and Eller at 5v5 this season.

For reference last season Puustinen produced at a 2.03 pt pace per 60.

Yeah we're in the same boat re: per 60...I'm not really concerned about that.

Koivunen looks like he can hang. Smart passes in tight, finding ways to maintain possession, crafty...he looks more comfortable in the NHL than Puustinen ever did.

 

[Gurglesons]

I don't think we need to worry about that till next season. Big thing for me is can his smarts make up for his lack of foot speed. and will Sully give him actual rope next year for meaninful games.

More so pulled that data because Penguins pundits are trying to act like Koivunen’s trajectory is a top line PPG winger.

He’s a nice piece so far. He’s translated his production in the SHL to the AHL and NHL.

If Sullivan utilizes him correctly, he probably continues to produce. I don’t really have any issue with him being a mid 6 winger who helps continue to leverage the top PP.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yeah we're in the same boat re: per 60...I'm not really concerned about that.

Koivunen looks like he can hang. Smart passes in tight, finding ways to maintain possession, crafty...he looks more comfortable in the NHL than Puustinen ever did.

Puustinen looked great with Malkin in his first 10-15 games and was a revelation on the PP.

Then he got Sully’d. Will be interesting where Koivunen is to start next year when “we have the most competitive training camp we’ve ever seen” or whatever bullshit the media comes up with.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Puustinen looked great with Malkin in his first 10-15 games and was a revelation on the PP.

Then he got Sully’d. Will be interesting where Koivunen is to start next year when “we have the most competitive training camp we’ve ever seen” or whatever bullshit the media comes up with.

The proof will be in the pudding, for sure. McG and Koivunen look ready though, and the reviews even from Sully have been glowing. But we will see.

 

[Gurglesons]

The proof will be in the pudding, for sure. McG and Koivunen look ready though, and the reviews even from Sully have been glowing. But we will see.

Last time I got excited about a summer we signed Jarry, Graves and Eller to multi year deals.

Still, I have hope Dubas will decide to go at least one direction with this team..

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

Puustinen looked great with Malkin in his first 10-15 games and was a revelation on the PP.

Er, was he? He provided a different look with an additional RH trigger option, but VK is way more involved driving the flow.

 

[The Old Master]

I don't think we need to worry about that till next season. Big thing for me is can his smarts make up for his lack of foot speed. and will Sully give him actual rope next year for meaninful games

.get him a skating coach and let him train all summer. even if he only improves a little, it will be huge.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Still a good and useful stat, no matter how much it's memed here. Less useful in tiny sample sizes, just like all other stats. Koivunen played 8 games. Of course I didn't bring it up. He was compensating with PP work anyway.

Even-strength production relative to deployment matters greatly, and will always matter. Production wins games.

People here can fight that fact til the cows come home, but they're always gonna be wrong and sound stupid to me. So idc. Let them bitch about it the next 5 years too.

 

[Fordy]

koivunen is kessel ultra lite on the powerplay, and that’s enough for me to start trying to tune in every game again

 

[PamBallam]

You don't have to believe Koivunen is gonna be some 100+ pt top line winger to acknowledge he had an excellent rookie year in the AHL and looked fairly solid for a 21 year old playing his first 8 games in the NHL.