Vilardi vs Turcotte

[Perennial]

I was more than a little surprised to see the Kings were interested in Danault given the talented young centers in their system...

With Danault signed long term, and with Kopitar still around for another 3 years, are Vilardi and/or Turcotte viewed as expendable?

If so, which one would you prefer to keep?

Which one has more trade value/upside?

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[Fishhead]

Trade Value - Turcotte
Offensive upside - Vilardi
Motor/Leadership/two way upside - Turcotte
Durability upside - Vilardi
Eating like a champion upside - Vilardi

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I was more than a little surprised to see the Kings were interested in Danault given the talented young centers in their system...

With Danault signed long term, and with Kopitar still around for another 3 years, are Vilardi and/or Turcotte viewed as expendable?

If so, which one would you prefer to keep?

Which one has more trade value/upside?

I'm sure for the right part anyone short of Clarke/Byfield is expendable, but I doubt either is going anywhere. Tough to answer right now though as Turcotte has yet to make his NHL debut. But most of us figured Vilardi was already moving to wing (he hasn't in camp) and that Turcotte could settle in at either spot so I don't think extra "C"s is an 'issue' where we need to move one.

I'm a ride or die turcotte guy though, if I had to pick one to keep, it would be Turc, and as you can see by the avatar that's not an easy/light choice I just think he will do so much more all-around whereas Vilardi appears to be settling in as a Corey Perry-style offensive specialist.

 

[kingsfan]

I'm curious how Vilardi has the durability upside when he missed like 18 months or whatever?

 

[King'sPawn]

Not sure either are "expendable." The idea is likely to move one of them to wing, where it's quite unclear.

 

[Choralone]

I'm curious how Vilardi has the durability upside when he missed like 18 months or whatever?

I'll field this. Villardi had the back, yes, but he seems to have come out the other side and doesn't seem to play an overly physical game which would add to the risk. Turcotte, on the other hand, seems to always be banged up, and though it always seems to be something new and not something nagging, his style makes me worried that he's always going to miss time here and there.

 

[Fishhead]

I'll field this. Villardi had the back, yes, but he seems to have come out the other side and doesn't seem to play an overly physical game which would add to the risk. Turcotte, on the other hand, seems to always be banged up, and though it always seems to be something new and not something nagging, his style makes me worried that he's always going to miss time here and there.

Yea that was my thoughts as well. If Vilardi wasn't fixed, he surely would have had back problems by now. He's been fine since he started back up. The vibe I get from Vilardi is he takes the being a professional part of a hockey player very seriously, doing all the strengthening exercises that were recommended. He certainly looks like he put in a lot of work over the summer.

I think it's too early to put the injury prone label on Turcotte, but he really does seem to pick up a lot of little injuries here and there. Perhaps they will go away as he fills out and gets stronger.

 

[bland]

I like Vilardi very much, but the numbers here are going to dictate that one of the centers will have to move on.

If Byfield goes to Ontario and pours it on, Vilardi - not Kopitar or Danault - is the one to give.

I could see the Kings asking Nashville to talk to Forsbergs agent about a contract extension before a big deal takes place involving Vilardi and Kempe among others.

 

[Fishhead]

I like Vilardi very much, but the numbers here are going to dictate that one of the centers will have to move on.

If Byfield goes to Ontario and pours it on, Vilardi - not Kopitar or Danault - is the one to give.

I could see the Kings asking Nashville to talk to Forsbergs agent about a contract extension before a big deal takes place involving Vilardi and Kempe among others.

I think Vilardi would be moved to wing before he is traded, I think his numbers would jump a bit. But if he goes I would rather it be for a defenseman.

 

[Telos]

I think one will be moved to the wing. If I had to choose between the two I would choose Turcotte. Vilardi has great skill, but Turcotte has a bit of skill himself piled onto leadership, determination, and a dash of grit. Although, if I had to guess which one would do better on the wing, I'd guess Turcotte.

 

[kinghock]

I was more than a little surprised to see the Kings were interested in Danault given the talented young centers in their system...

With Danault signed long term, and with Kopitar still around for another 3 years, are Vilardi and/or Turcotte viewed as expendable?

If so, which one would you prefer to keep?

Which one has more trade value/upside?

Perennial, after you will receive answers regarding value for different Kings players will you submit another horrible Kings proposal on main board?

Proposal: - It Was Only A Maatta Of Time: OTT + L.A. + DAL | HFBoards - NHL Message Board and Forum for National Hockey League (mandatory.com)

 

[Vino]

I could see the Kings asking Nashville to talk to Forsbergs agent about a contract extension before a big deal takes place involving Vilardi and Kempe among others.

Our biggest need is not Filip Forsberg, it's a youngish, true top4 Dman. I hope Blake is not that stupid, that waste assests to trade a forward like F. Forsberg.

 

[aceofpace]

I've always imagined Vilardi moving to wing someday to make room for Byfield and Turk.

 

[kilowatt]

I've always imagined Vilardi moving to wing someday to make room for Byfield and Turk.

Let's just smash em all into one line

Turcotte - Byfield - Vilardi

 

[Rorschach]

Two things I'd like to see extensively from our top center prospects before dealing them, including the big three (By, Turk, Gabe), but not limited to just them, are...first, how good are they at doing Danault things such as shadowing the other teams' top centers and how good are they in the faceoff circle. Both are extremely important to Kings-style possession hockey. They should be good at both to a certain degree to play Kings' hockey, as centers. Otherwise, just move them to wing and roll two/three centers per forward line. Naturally all our forwards need to be willing to play a lot of defense...any defensively inept players, no matter how good offensively, can be expendable for moving.

 

[teoberto]

Avs fan coming in peace: would you guys consider packaging both Vilardi and Turcotte for Girard + prospect (let’s say Kaut, former first round pick)? It may solve your issues about finding an offensive first line LD on a long term sweet deal while it will give the Avs options on on the 2nd/3rd line center positions for years to come

 

[King'sPawn]

Avs fan coming in peace: would you guys consider packaging both Vilardi and Turcotte for Girard + prospect (let’s say Kaut, former first round pick)? It may solve your issues about finding an offensive first line LD on a long term sweet deal while it will give the Avs options on on the 2nd/3rd line center positions for years to come

I wouldn't. Nothing against Girard, but there's still hope for Vilardi and Turcotte is turning it up.

 

[kinghock]

Avs fan coming in peace: would you guys consider packaging both Vilardi and Turcotte for Girard + prospect (let’s say Kaut, former first round pick)? It may solve your issues about finding an offensive first line LD on a long term sweet deal while it will give the Avs options on on the 2nd/3rd line center positions for years to come

I would not give either one of Vilardi or Turcotte for Girard.
We have our own Girard in Spence.
Be ready to trade B.Byram to Kings if you want to trade for Vilardi or Turcotte.

 

[Schrute farms]

I would not give either one of Vilardi or Turcotte for Girard.
We have our own Girard in Spence.
Be ready to trade B.Byram to Kings if you want to trade for Vilardi or Turcotte.

+1

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Vilardi OR Turcotte + 1st is a Byram package.

Vilardi for Sam Girard straight up would piss me off but makes more sense. maybe +/- a medium pick on either side but let's not pretend Girard has no warts either, everyone saw him getting dummied in the playoffs.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

Vilardi needs to move to wing immediately. I’m not sure he can drive a line. Vilardi seems to need players that suit him to create space because the league knows to press him.

I’m settling in on Vilardi struggling 6 out of 10 puck opportunities. 6 out of 10 times he will lose a battle but those 4 times are beautiful.

 

[Kurrilino]

With Danault signed long term, and with Kopitar still around for another 3 years, are Vilardi and/or Turcotte viewed as expendable?

None of them is expandable, Danauld will be the one passed down.
Why the hell did they chose him to sign is far beyond me anyways.

 

[kingsfan]

Girard is being severely undervalued in here. That said, our issues run deeper than just missing a Girard type and until Byfield is back and we can see what he'll actually do in real NHL games, I wouldn't want to pull the trigger on any deal. The one thing the Kings have on their hands in time, so I expect a Girard level deal to be at the draft.

 

[kilowatt]

Girard is being severely undervalued in here. That said, our issues run deeper than just missing a Girard type and until Byfield is back and we can see what he'll actually do in real NHL games, I wouldn't want to pull the trigger on any deal. The one thing the Kings have on their hands in time, so I expect a Girard level deal to be at the draft.

Is Girard a potential #1 defenseman?

 

[kingsfan]

Is Girard a potential #1 defenseman?

I'd classify him as a top-3 defenseman. Playing 21 minutes a night so far on a crowded (at the top) Colorado defense and had 23+ a night last year. To me, guys like Drew are number 1's, and I wouldn't put him on Drew's level.