Victor Mancini 159th Overall 2022 by NYR
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No, I haven't watched any full games in the playoffs. Just highlights. I'm just going off what I saw him doing in the regular season. He's a late bloomer so he can still make strides but I'm not counting on it.
I don't imagine that it would be wise to peg him at 2nd pair right now. Which is why I don't think it makes sense to think about move TW. Only have Hronek and Myers (2 more seasons or just 1 before you can trade him). Best to think of Mancini as 3D option and if he does perform well, that gives you options.
Need to see it at the NHL level. Just never know.
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Sorry, I should have asked differently. In 2-3 years could he slot in to 2RD. Is that potential there?
Hughes - Willander
DPete - Mancini
In 2027'ish. Would be nice to use Hronek and MP29 as trade bait if the youngster could fill those roles
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He can't make strides at 22. Of course he can't. This is is good as he will ever be. Let's see how he finishes up this season. I also agree Wilander is the better prospect but this kid may well end up being a solid middle pair guy down the road. Bit too soon to pigeon hole him imho.
Always possible, but never know. Not confident enough right now to move TW until we actually see it. Because, once Myers goes, it's Hronek, with Mancini, McWard, Woo, and Alcos as RHD in the system.
If he can develop into that, then yes, Hronek and M. Pete can be moved. Hronek and MP each have 3 more years of a NMC. So once, TW comes off his ELC, they would have options.
Mancini just tuned 23 yesterday. At 23, d-men are barely scratching the surface of their potential. It simply takes them a lot longer than it does younger forwards.
So I guess when comes to assessing Mancini, you're either an optimism or a pessimist. Either you believe he'll be a lot better by the time he's 26 or 27: or you believe he's already plateaued as a 7-8 d-man in the NHL.
So I guess when comes to assessing Mancini, you're either an optimism or a pessimist. Either you believe he'll be a lot better by the time he's 26 or 27: or you believe he's already plateaued as a 7-8 d-man in the NHL.
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Ya, wasn't it some hockey legend that said something about it taking dmen 300 games before they get gud?
Seriously though, it was only his 1st year of pro and he got a good number of NHL games in. That is a really encouraging sign.
Seriously though, it was only his 1st year of pro and he got a good number of NHL games in. That is a really encouraging sign.
Well for some kind of context, Kevin Bieksa was already 23 when he broke in with the Canucks; and Ohlund and Edler were both just 21.
Did they improve much between the ages of 21-23 and by the time they were 26-27? Ya' think?
I suppose it's possible that Mancini is an outlier in terms of the normal development of NHL d-man and doesn't improve much. But you'd have to pretty down on him not to believe that he won't be considerably better after he's been in the league three or four seasons. I mean he has all the tools......all he lacks is experience.
And for Canuck fans, it has to give you great encouragement that two more Swedish d-man--EP25 and Wilander--could make their full-time debuts in the NHL as 21-year-olds like Ohlund and Edler before them.
Hmm.....one guy drafted in the first round and another drafted in the third round. Is it possible they can replicate the careers to two of the most impactful d-men ever to pull on a Canucks sweater?
Guy is on fire in the Calder Cup playoffs. His skillet screams NHL defenseman to me. The only question is if he has the hockey sense for top 4 or if he’ll just be a great #5. D-Petey is a mean Mofo and perfect to help inspire the same in his future partner Mancini.
Needs to get to 300 games, IIRC
(not saying he wont get better!) Edit AND someone beat me to it
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i need a new skillet. have been looking for an enamel one with a lid that i can do the whole nine yards in. maybe i need one that screams.
'Canucks Conversation' with Abby forward Phil Di Giuseppe is up on the Canucks Army site. And he's a huge fan of Victor Mancini, and not just because they have Italian surnames.
Says he's rarely seen a d-men of that size with his skating ability, and agility to beat the forecheck and skate the puck out of trouble. Adds that he has all the tools to be a great NHL d-man.
Mancini has been in full 'beast mode' in these Calder Cup playoffs so far. And what you have to love is his willingness to take off with the puck at any time. And when he's in full stride and determined to take it to the net--how do you stop a guy like that?
As other posters have warned though, sometimes this might get him into trouble at the NHL level. But at times, his swashbuckling soirees up the ice are reminiscent of Ed Jovanovski in his prime. You really gotta' love it.
Impact NHL d-men come from just about anywhere in the draft.....and sometimes you just have to get lucky. Mancini was a fifth round draft pick of the Rangers (159th overall in 2022). Already you'd have to say he's far exceeded that rather pedestrian draft pedigree.
It would be ironic if, after all the hand-wringing about the trade of fan favorite and franchise icon J.T. Miller--that the most consequential player in the deal ended up being Victor Mancini.
Says he's rarely seen a d-men of that size with his skating ability, and agility to beat the forecheck and skate the puck out of trouble. Adds that he has all the tools to be a great NHL d-man.
Mancini has been in full 'beast mode' in these Calder Cup playoffs so far. And what you have to love is his willingness to take off with the puck at any time. And when he's in full stride and determined to take it to the net--how do you stop a guy like that?
As other posters have warned though, sometimes this might get him into trouble at the NHL level. But at times, his swashbuckling soirees up the ice are reminiscent of Ed Jovanovski in his prime. You really gotta' love it.
Impact NHL d-men come from just about anywhere in the draft.....and sometimes you just have to get lucky. Mancini was a fifth round draft pick of the Rangers (159th overall in 2022). Already you'd have to say he's far exceeded that rather pedestrian draft pedigree.
It would be ironic if, after all the hand-wringing about the trade of fan favorite and franchise icon J.T. Miller--that the most consequential player in the deal ended up being Victor Mancini.
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Yeah I remember that, Quinn looked pissed and put his whole body into the beaver tails after that.
Some interesting tidbits from this older Athletic article on Mancini (a really good read about the players hockey journey and his family)
- Going into this past training camp with the Rangers he wasn’t even ranked on the Rangers list of top prospects by two separate Athletic writers.
- He wanted to play for the U.S. National Team Development Program in Ann Arbor, but was cut from the Under-17 team, the U-18 team, and the U-20 team because his skating was considered a weakness!
- He speaks some Swedish (which can’t hurt playing for the Canucks).
- his d-pairing partner in Frolunda was 6’6” Simon Edvinsson (that’s a lot of size in one pairing)
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- Going into this past training camp with the Rangers he wasn’t even ranked on the Rangers list of top prospects by two separate Athletic writers.
- He wanted to play for the U.S. National Team Development Program in Ann Arbor, but was cut from the Under-17 team, the U-18 team, and the U-20 team because his skating was considered a weakness!
- He speaks some Swedish (which can’t hurt playing for the Canucks).
- his d-pairing partner in Frolunda was 6’6” Simon Edvinsson (that’s a lot of size in one pairing)
Victor Mancini’s unlikely NHL path: Doubts, disappointments and a Rangers prospect with ‘all the tools’
Mancini has become a surprise success story after going undrafted twice: “When this kid puts his mind to something, don’t bet against him.”
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Regarding the discussion of age vs. development on Mancini, I think you can certainly have a general view of where a prospect is relative to their age and whether they're progressing at the required level or not, but you also can't put everyone in the same box and you have to be aware of outliers with weird/late/ripper development curves.
And Mancini definitely looks like an outlier in terms of going from a late round non-productive NCAA depth prospect last year to a guy flashing massive tools/skills in the NHL/AHL this year.
There are obviously still some rough edges but he isn't the same thing as other high picks of the same age who might be putting up similar numbers/look similar on paper but are on much flatter development curves.
And Mancini definitely looks like an outlier in terms of going from a late round non-productive NCAA depth prospect last year to a guy flashing massive tools/skills in the NHL/AHL this year.
There are obviously still some rough edges but he isn't the same thing as other high picks of the same age who might be putting up similar numbers/look similar on paper but are on much flatter development curves.
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Yeah, another guy with a late sharp development curve.
My favourite example of this is how when we signed Zack MacEwen in 2017, Canucks Army put out an article ripping that signing to shreds as a guaranteed flop. Basically they put every overage CHL player from the previous 10 years or whatever onto a graph of age vs. production and the graph said it was pretty much a guarantee that he was a total bust. But the problem was that MacEwen was a 6'4 guy who could skate and was playing low-level midget hockey in the Maritimes in his draft+1 so had a crazy development curve to get to where he was in his draft+3 ... and they were comparing him to a whole bunch of 5'10 kids who couldn't skate and were in their 5th year of junior as an overage. MacEwen just wasn't the same thing, and promptly continued his sharp development curve and was playing NHL games 2 years later.
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