Victor Mancini 159th Overall 2022 by NYR

[Attack Vector]

This off-season Canucks roll with

Hughes-Hronek
Pettersson-Willander
E.Pettersson-Myers
Mancini

Demko
Lankinen

I don't think they could have constructed the back end as good as that. Now on to the forwards...

 

[StreetHawk]

This off-season Canucks roll with

Hughes-Hronek
Pettersson-Willander
E.Pettersson-Myers
Mancini

Demko
Lankinen

I don't think they could have constructed the back end as good as that. Now on to the forwards...

If the plan is to basically rotate the 3 kids where they all get into 60 games (cover for injuries) then you can roll with them. But probably need a veteran somewhere down in Abby to call up should any of the 4 vets go down.

 

[Jerry the great]

This off-season Canucks roll with

Hughes-Hronek
Pettersson-Willander
E.Pettersson-Myers
Mancini

Demko
Lankinen

I don't think they could have constructed the back end as good as that. Now on to the forwards...

No way they roll with 3 rookies and none of them should be the 7th guy when they're all waiver exempt and the farm team is an hour away.

Forbort and/or Juulsen will be back IMO, Foote love both of them.

 

[Jerry the great]

If the plan is to basically rotate the 3 kids where they all get into 60 games (cover for injuries) then you can roll with them. But probably need a veteran somewhere down in Abby to call up should any of the 4 vets go down.

I think they'll keep a couple veterans with Vancouver and shuttle the waiver exempt rookies up and down from Abby as needed.

 

[StreetHawk]

I think they'll keep a couple veterans with Vancouver and shuttle the waiver exempt rookies up and down from Abby as needed.

Not a big fan of calling kids up and down. Either good enough to stay or should be down in the A. A guy like Woo at this point in his career I could see going up and down but not someone you have higher expectations for.

 

[Jerry the great]

Not a big fan of calling kids up and down. Either good enough to stay or should be down in the A. A guy like Woo at this point in his career I could see going up and down but not someone you have higher expectations for.

As needed to fill in for injury. having them sit in the press is questionable for development and is inefficient from a cap perspective.

 

[Hoglander]

No need to sign a vet, except to warm the bench as a #7. The left side is full with Hughes/MP/EP2. The right side has only 1 spot open for Mancini/Willander. No need to block the youth that are ready to start making the transition to the NHL, and no need to waste the cap space.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Hughes-Hronek
Pettersson-Willander
Pettersson-Myers
Forbort-Mancini

 

[StreetHawk]

do not see forbort sticking around to be 7D. will get offers

 

[Jerry the great]

No need to sign a vet, except to warm the bench as a #7. The left side is full with Hughes/MP/EP2. The right side has only 1 spot open for Mancini/Willander. No need to block the youth that are ready to start making the transition to the NHL, and no need to waste the cap space.

I think the chances are very low that they'll roll with 2 rookies who have a combined total of 8 min of PK time between them....unless you think Quinn Hughes is going to start killing penalties? If it turns out that EP25 can kill penalties, that's a luxury...but it would be insane to count on it. same goes for Willander.

 

[M2Beezy]

Hughes-Hronek
Pettersson-Willander
Pettersson-Myers
Forbort-Mancini

Hughes Hronek
MP3 Juulsen
Forbort Myers
EP2 Mancini

 

[Hoglander]

I think the chances are very low that they'll roll with 2 rookies who have a combined total of 8 min of PK time between them....unless you think Quinn Hughes is going to start killing penalties? If it turns out that EP25 can kill penalties, that's a luxury...but it would be insane to count on it. same goes for Willander.

EP2 is strong defensively, and seeing as they didn't paper him to Abbottsford for the playoffs, the team views him as "graduated" to full time NHLer. MP and EP2 PKing on the left, Myers and Hronek PKing on the right side. Mancini is PKing in Abbottsford - whose PK has been excellent in the playoffs. Guy is being groomed for the role, and should be able to handle the odd PK shift. I think Willander will start in the AHL. I also think that it would be a mistake to block the youth over concerns about who would be your #5 Pker on D.

Honestly, I'm more worried about replacing Suter on the PK, as I feel he was our top PKing forward.

 

[Jerry the great]

EP2 is strong defensively, and seeing as they didn't paper him to Abbottsford for the playoffs, the team views him as "graduated" to full time NHLer. MP and EP2 PKing on the left, Myers and Hronek PKing on the right side. Mancini is PKing in Abbottsford - whose PK has been excellent in the playoffs. Guy is being groomed for the role, and should be able to handle the odd PK shift. I think Willander will start in the AHL. I also think that it would be a mistake to block the youth over concerns about who would be your #5 Pker on D.

Honestly, I'm more worried about replacing Suter on the PK, as I feel he was our top PKing forward.

EP25 is a good prospect and there are plenty of reasons to be optimistic about his future...but it would be dangerous to count on him to be more than a #6 with special teams responsibility. Management got burned expecting that from Carson Soucy last year and they won't go into the season without contingency plans again.

 

[wetcoast]

No way they roll with 3 rookies and none of them should be the 7th guy when they're all waiver exempt and the farm team is an hour away.

Forbort and/or Juulsen will be back IMO, Foote love both of them.

Agree with all of this but zero interest or need in Juulsen as they can pick up a bargain bin Damn later in the summer and frankly I think Willander and DPetey are ready for decent roles next season.

Mancini is still a project even at 22 with more wow he looks good,size skating, than actual ong term defensive accuim but who knows let it play out.

My bet is then when DPetey and Willander are at the same age as Mancini is now they will be much better and have a distinct career path than Mancini has now.

 

[alternate]

I guess you could rotate the 3 rooks, something like sit 2 games play 4 when everyone is healthy. Gets a bit awkward with 2 RHS. Or maybe just rotate those two on a pre-set schedule. There's value to watching NHL games, practicing vs NHLers, and getting time to work out.

But I'd rather one of Willander or Mancini was logging big all-situation minutes in Abby, especially if Manny is back. I'm expecting it to be Mancini. I think him getting 50+ games as a top pairing guy sprinkled with some injury call-ups would let him really develop his 2 way game.

Willander is just going to home run fit beside Hughes. We deserve it ffs.

 

[Hoglander]

EP25 is a good prospect and there are plenty of reasons to be optimistic about his future...but it would be dangerous to count on him to be more than a #6 with special teams responsibility. Management got burned expecting that from Carson Soucy last year and they won't go into the season without contingency plans again.

Soucy flopped this year, despite being a vet with PKing experience. Desharnais excelled on Edmontons PK before coming here, and that flopped too. Nothing is guaranteed, but EP2 outplayed vets and has earned his shot.

The contingency plan should be a #7 dman that can step in when/If they are needed, not blocking young players from playing just because they are young. Otherwise we may as well trade all the young dmen now because they'll never get the opportunity. I believe EP2 is ready. Mancini will be 23, and after these playoffs he should be ready to at least do spot duty on the PK. Willander is a high end prospect that might be Nhl ready right now. I'm not saying that they should just be gifted spots. but they need the opportunity. No point in wasting cap on depth dmen, if it isn't necessary

 

[alternate]

I do want to see a veteran added to take press box duties. Love to have Forbort back, but he played too well to take a 7 role. Still, a 4LD is a cheap and easy add that should be added. Forbort was one of our first signings in July1 and I'd expect a similar signing this year.

Don't want to add a RHS in front of Mancini/Willander though. EP25 can also play the right so short of a sweetheart no-brainer deal, no need to add NHL RD.

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

Yay but Troy Stetcher !!!

 

[VanJack]

No way they roll with 3 rookies and none of them should be the 7th guy when they're all waiver exempt and the farm team is an hour away.

Forbort and/or Juulsen will be back IMO, Foote love both of them.

Hmm.....entering the season with Mancini, EP25 and Wilander on the back end. Compare that to Forbort, Juulsen and Desharnais, who they started the season with a year ago.

I know you I'd vote for. They may be rookies, but talent wins in the end. Besides, what are Wilander, Mancini or EP25 going to accomplish with more playing time in Abbotsford?

Time to roll the dice with the rookies. Quinn Hughes and Filip Hronek will play 25-30 minutes a night anyway.

 

[alternate]

Hmm.....entering the season with Mancini, EP25 and Wilander on the back end. Compare that to Forbort, Juulsen and Desharnais, who they started the season with a year ago.

I know you I'd vote for. They may be rookies, but talent wins in the end. Besides, what are Wilander, Mancini or EP25 going to accomplish with more playing time in Abbotsford?

Time to roll the dice with the rookies. Quinn Hughes and Filip Hronek will play 25-30 minutes a night anyway.

Sure but where do you play them all when everyone is healthy? All 3 need reps. Better off playing in the Valley than sitting in the city.

 

[Nick Lang]

Soucy flopped this year, despite being a vet with PKing experience. Desharnais excelled on Edmontons PK before coming here, and that flopped too. Nothing is guaranteed, but EP2 outplayed vets and has earned his shot.

The contingency plan should be a #7 dman that can step in when/If they are needed, not blocking young players from playing just because they are young. Otherwise we may as well trade all the young dmen now because they'll never get the opportunity. I believe EP2 is ready. Mancini will be 23, and after these playoffs he should be ready to at least do spot duty on the PK. Willander is a high end prospect that might be Nhl ready right now. I'm not saying that they should just be gifted spots. but they need the opportunity. No point in wasting cap on depth dmen, if it isn't necessary

You only have one problem with your plan. You have to plan for the season and before you can actually go test these guys out in real situations. You're gambling that these guys are all ready. If you decided to go with those 3 guys and they struggle out of the gate, season could be over before it starts.

I for one wouldn't be penciling either Mancini or Willander in anywhere just yet. Mancini has good flashes but he also struggled quite a bit with net front coverage and situational awareness in his own end, looking completely lost at times. He appears to be making strides in the AHL but the NHL is completely different, especially as a fulltime gig. Allvin also mentioned that Willander will dictate where Willander starts. He may simply not be ready, hopefully he is but his profile isn't exactly as a guaranteed fulltime NHLer either (right off the bat anyway).

If all you have is a half assed #7 that has to play all year we are looking at another long season. I'm not sure Allvin or Foote will want to risk that. Even if you sign a decent #5/#6 player there should be decent reps to go around for two of those players. The way I see it EP25 is on the team and both Mancini and Willander should have to earn it. I agree generally with what you're saying, it's just tricky getting that right mix with unknown rookies.

 

[arttk]

Hmm.....entering the season with Mancini, EP25 and Wilander on the back end. Compare that to Forbort, Juulsen and Desharnais, who they started the season with a year ago.

I know you I'd vote for. They may be rookies, but talent wins in the end. Besides, what are Wilander, Mancini or EP25 going to accomplish with more playing time in Abbotsford?

Time to roll the dice with the rookies. Quinn Hughes and Filip Hronek will play 25-30 minutes a night anyway.

DP- probably nothing..
Mancini - he still needs more work when it comes to defensive details
Willander - he wasn't used to drive offense from the back in BU so giving him like 30 games to be the primary offense driver from the backend could unlock a higher ceiling

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

He looks like an excellent pickup. Would go a long way towards making the Miller trade salvageable.

 

[Regal]

You only have one problem with your plan. You have to plan for the season and before you can actually go test these guys out in real situations. You're gambling that these guys are all ready. If you decided to go with those 3 guys and they struggle out of the gate, season could be over before it starts.

I for one wouldn't be penciling either Mancini or Willander in anywhere just yet. Mancini has good flashes but he also struggled quite a bit with net front coverage and situational awareness in his own end, looking completely lost at times. He appears to be making strides in the AHL but the NHL is completely different, especially as a fulltime gig. Allvin also mentioned that Willander will dictate where Willander starts. He may simply not be ready, hopefully he is but his profile isn't exactly as a guaranteed fulltime NHLer either (right off the bat anyway).

If all you have is a half assed #7 that has to play all year we are looking at another long season. I'm not sure Allvin or Foote will want to risk that. Even if you sign a decent #5/#6 player there should be decent reps to go around for two of those players. The way I see it EP25 is on the team and both Mancini and Willander should have to earn it. I agree generally with what you're saying, it's just tricky getting that right mix with unknown rookies.

I think the problem is a decent 5/6 might be that much more expensive than a 7, and if the young guys are ready, then that’s money that could be spent elsewhere in the lineup. I generally agree with the idea of playing it safe with this stuff, but at least going into this year, MP is unlikely to see the regression we saw with Soucy that was partly to blame for killing this year. I think it really depends on what happens with the forwards and the money left over.

 

[Blue and Green]

He will turn 23 on Monday and wasn't really ready for the NHL this season; both of his teams got crushed in the play when he was on the ice. Right now he is a good AHL player with some interesting tools. With a bit more time he could be a viable NHL defenceman somewhere in the 5-8 range. Projecting more than that is a low-probability reach for a guy of his age.