Confirmed Trade: [VGK/NYI] Grabovski, Bischoff, 2017 1st (#15) & 2019 2nd to Vegas to select Berube

[Pumpkin Pal]

You do understand that if Snow had done nothing, the Islanders would still have lost only one unprotected player to Vegas....a mid-first and a second seems like steep price to pay for losing just one player.

Brock Nelson and Calvin de Haan are both worth more than #15 this year and a 2nd rounder in 2019. That's why this trade is good for the Isles.

If people don't agree with that then I guess there's no real point in talking about it, but most Isles' fans would like to see Snow go and yet 99% of Isles' fans like this trade. That should tell you something.

 

[Spectra]

You do understand that if Snow had done nothing, the Islanders would still have lost only one unprotected player to Vegas....a mid-first and a second seems like steep price to pay for losing just one player.

It isn't if that player is DeHaan, Strome or Nelson. And the Islanders do not know for sure which player Vegas will choose if they gamble and don't make a deal. And the 2019 2nd is almost moot, who knows what will happen before then, there may not even be an NHL for all we know. And a 2nd round pick has a very small chance to be a regular NHLer. Oh, and they shed $5 million in salary for added salary cap flexibility, not insignificant. Snow did very well.

 

[PAZ]

It isn't if that player is DeHaan, Strome or Nelson. And the Islanders do not know for sure which player Vegas will choose if they gamble and don't make a deal. And the 2019 2nd is almost moot, who knows what will happen before then, there may not even be an NHL for all we know. And a 2nd round pick has a very small chance to be a regular NHLer. Oh, and they shed $5 million in salary for added salary cap flexibility, not insignificant. Snow did very well.

This. Do people not realize how valuable cap space is?

Just last year Bolland costed Crouse. Bickell costed TT. McPhee got hosed on every single deal he took on bad contracts.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Islanders paid a great deal there.

 

[IslesNorway]

Great deal by Snow!! Those who think the Isles paid a hefty price have no idea about the Isles roster or plans.

Snow paid a 1st to make sure Vegas selects a nobody, an AHLer, then gave up a 2nd rounder to take the $5million owed to Grabovski freeing up much needed capspace, and freed up a contract spot giving away Bishoff, who'll never make the NHL.

Great work as they can now go after Duchene and Eberle after clearing cap space!

 

[Bronson]

Not sure why people think this is a worse deal than Minnesota's?

Tuch was picked at #18 in a strong draft and is probably equivalent to whatever Las Vegas can pick at #15 this draft.

Haula is a squad player (who could not fulfill his potential on a very deep Minnesota team) whereas Bischoff is a somewhat promising prospect who has a snowflakes chance in hell to leapfrog Quenneville, Pulock, Pelech and Graham on a really deep Islander's prospect list. I'd probably give the edge to the Islanders here as they did not give up a NHL player, but essentially neither team will suffer from this.

The remainder of the deal is giving up an UFA AHL goaltender and a second round pick to shed 5 million dollars in salary. A great deal imo.

 

[Barzallelujah]

I'm definitely not a big fan of Snow but I am more than satisfied with this.

 

[IslandersFan17]

One of the better tweets out there was...

"The last time snow went into a draft without a first rounder, he walked away with two."

 

[Isles Junkie]

Let's be real here, if Snow did nothing and lost one of Strome, Nelson or CdH the naysayers would be going LOL Snow is horrible, now he can't trade for Duchene, Eberle, Galchenyuk etc...If all he gave up was Grabovski and a 2022 4th round pick the naysayers would go LOL Snow is horrible, how can he trade a future asset like that.

Seriously, you'd be hard pressed to find many fans of Garth Snow amongst the Islanders fans here. The fact that the overwhelming majority of us are happy about this deal, should show you something.

The Isles gave up a 1st round pick here in a weak draft. That is IMO the ONLY valuable asset they gave up. Everything else is a long shot to have a regular role in the NHL moving forward. That's worth it to secure the players who have already established themselves as NHL regulars and gain 5 million in cap space.

Everyone is talking about LTIR, and I'll be honest I don't know. But if a player goes on LTIR, does that mean that their salary doesn't count against the cap? Regardless, Grabo is attempting to resume his career and if he gets medical clearance, the LGK will have to pay his salary and endure the expensive hit (which they probably need to get to the floor anyway)

 

[Trade]

Yup. When we have Duchene and Galcheyuk because Snow kept all his players to trade a few, we sure will!

And then you pissed the bed and woke up

 

[IslesNorway]

LTIR is virtual retirement isn't it? As long as He's no a and to play again some day they aren't gonna do that

 

[Paralyzer]

Let's be real here, if Snow did nothing and lost one of Strome, Nelson or CdH the naysayers would be going LOL Snow is horrible, now he can't trade for Duchene, Eberle, Galchenyuk etc...If all he gave up was Grabovski and a 2022 4th round pick the naysayers would go LOL Snow is horrible, how can he trade a future asset like that.

Seriously, you'd be hard pressed to find many fans of Garth Snow amongst the Islanders fans here. The fact that the overwhelming majority of us are happy about this deal, should show you something.

The Isles gave up a 1st round pick here in a weak draft. That is IMO the ONLY valuable asset they gave up. Everything else is a long shot to have a regular role in the NHL moving forward. That's worth it to secure the players who have already established themselves as NHL regulars and gain 5 million in cap space.

Everyone is talking about LTIR, and I'll be honest I don't know. But if a player goes on LTIR, does that mean that their salary doesn't count against the cap? Regardless, Grabo is attempting to resume his career and if he gets medical clearance, the LGK will have to pay his salary and endure the expensive hit (which they probably need to get to the floor anyway)

No LTIR still counts to the cap. All it does is gives the team a buffer to spend a little more to replace that player for however long he's off but the cap stays the same. So let's say Vegas gets to 72m with Grabo on LTIR, come summer time his cap will count against Vegas which will boost it up to 77m which would mean they would be over the cap. He still has to get paid regardless.

 

[isles31]

LTIR is virtual retirement isn't it? As long as He's no a and to play again some day they aren't gonna do that

I thought I saw Staple say you cant put a player on LTIR during the offseason, or something of that ilk, so this is even more important now.

 

[Disgraced Cosmonaut]

It's a fair deal. Works for both sides. Grabo is either trying to resurrect himself or he's covered by insurance, likely above 65%. He helps get to the floor in your inaugural year.
Bischoff is a nice but buried prospect. Could be Spurgeon but statistically that's not obvious.
The first is valuable but three years from NHL action; the second in 19 is 6+ years away.

The $5m cap savings is IMMEDIATE and very valuable to any team close to the ceiling.
NOT losing any of B Nelson, J Bailey, or CdH, alone is valuable. Sure you could've protected one instead of Pelech, but saving two from the draft (while keeping them as trade chips) is worth quite a bit. And it's worth it TODAY.
And protecting Strome or Hickey is worth less than the foregoing group, but still worth something (today).
And - arguably to an even lesser extent than that - protecting Jaro, Zeek, Clutter, and Kule, all real NHL caliber players - today - is worth a little too. (Hickey, Zeek or Clutter could captain an expansion club.)

 

[islesfan66]

They could have just protected De Haan and let Vegas take Pelech, Strome or Nelson.

id rather lose the 15th overall pick and 2nd in 2019 AND dump grabobski salary then losing one of strome nelson or to a lesser extent pelech

 

[PuckSeparator]

Wow... That is a steep price.

 

[Smif]

I'm definitely not a big fan of Snow but I am more than satisfied with this.

Even though he's the one that signed a bought out Grabo in the first place? Or has it been long enough that you don't care anymore?

 

[Smif]

id rather lose the 15th overall pick and 2nd in 2019 AND dump grabobski salary then losing one of strome nelson or to a lesser extent pelech

Don't you think you could've received a pretty good winger in return for that package tho?

 

[SI90]

Don't you think you could've received a pretty good winger in return for that package tho?

Yes but on top of that winger we would have lost likely Nelson or Pulock in the expansion draft.

For example

15th + Strome for top6 winger.

Lose Nelson or Pulock in the expansion draft.

Now the isles can choose the players they want to trade instead of being at the mercy of the expansion draft.

 

[Konk]

Wait....just earlier guys were saying the 2nd rounder was in essence for taking Grabs....so was cancelling that out.

So fine, you gave up a top 15 pick and a 2nd rounder, to protect your team and shed 5 million.
The Jets only dropped down 11 spots to protect their team

But Snow did what he thought was best for the team. Time will tell if it was a smart move or not.

Either way you look at it the Islanders were protecting a larger group of higher quality players and shedding more salary than Winnipeg.

 

[CodeE]

Protecting a lot more players, shedding salary to make a big splash via trade (especially considering it's not as easy as putting Grabo on LTIR and *poof* there goes his cap hit)... no surprise why Winnipeg didn't have to pay the prices the Islanders, Ducks, and BJs were forced to cough up.

Everyone's price is relatively balanced when you factor in exactly what perks they got for making the trade. Clarkson's contract is worse than Grabo's so Columbus had to give up Karlsson instead of a nobody like Berube.

 

[bleuetbio]

Great deal for both teams. Vegas will have a shot at Valimaki. Im sure that the Isles prefer to have De Haan in their team than Valimaki in their prospect pool

 

[Kevin27NYI]

Even though he's the one that signed a bought out Grabo in the first place? Or has it been long enough that you don't care anymore?

Grabovski was a good Islander, it isn't Garths fault he didn't keep his head up vs Scott and Nystrom.

 

[CodeE]

Love how the Grabovski thread is 199 replies saying it's the worst trade ever but the Clarkson thread is 33 replies that are mostly positive.

 

[seabass45]

Even though he's the one that signed a bought out Grabo in the first place? Or has it been long enough that you don't care anymore?

Grabbo was fine when he was in the lineup. There's nothing we can do about his concussion issues.