2nd and 3rd round picks rarely turn into anything and we get a player that can play now... good deal!!
This is about making the team better. It is not about making one guy happy.
I wouldn't say they'd play in any team's top 6, but it's a line with the potential to be very good.It comes down to the same thing IMO... You make the team better, you show Hall and the rest of the league for that matter that we're going in the right direction. Making one guy happy would be for Shero to sign Hall's BFF's or something but we're adding legit talent here in Subban, Gusev, Hughes and Simmonds. That's almost an entire new line right there that would play on any of the 31 teams top #6.
You left out the part where this particular 27 year old has ZERO NHL experience
For those familiar with his KHL numbers I have a couple of questions:
1) Out of his 82pts last year why only 17 goals? Can he even be a 25 goal guy in the NHL?
2) Secondly, how many of his 65 assists were secondary assists?
2nd and 3rd round picks rarely turn into anything and we get a player that can play now... good deal!!
I disagree. Off the top of my head, in no particular order here are some 2nd/3rd rounders that you *might* have heard of...
Colton Parayko
Patrice Bergeron
Ryan O'Reilly
Nikita Kucherov
Brayden Point
Roman Josi
Alex Debrincat
PK Subban
James Neal
Duncan Keith
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While the percentages are lower for sure as you get into later rounds, I agree with you. It's still throwing darts, but the more darts you have, the better off you are in hitting the target. Heck, the Canes wouldn't be anywhere without 2nd and later round picks.
Guys Canes drafted in round 2+ on the team:
Aho: 2nd
Faulk: 2nd
McGinn: 2nd
Pesce: 3rd
Foegele: 3rd
Slavin: 4th
Wallmark: 4th
Guys Canes drafted in round 2+ that were traded for players currently on the team:
Rask: 2nd (traded for Neiderreiter)
Dumoulin: 2nd (traded for Staal).
That's a pretty big portion of their core that came from 2nd round and later.
I mean it pretty much had to when you factor in how awful our first round talent evaluations were for..... well a long timeThat's a pretty big portion of their core that came from 2nd round and later.
With how good Goose has looked so far I’d give up 2 2nd round picks. He looks better than a lot of 1st round picks. The gamble was he might not adapt to North American hockey but it’s looking like a pretty safe bet at this point.
Wasnt there a lot of hype on gusev? 2nd and 3rd seems like a steal from day one. I mean even if he doesnt pan out its not a huge loss.
Wasnt there a lot of hype on gusev? 2nd and 3rd seems like a steal from day one. I mean even if he doesnt pan out its not a huge loss.
I think the statistics are that
40% of 1st round picks
25% of 2nd round picks
15% of 3rd round picks
Under 10% of later picks
Will have NHL careers of over 200 games played. How Many Draft Picks Make It to the NHL?
So 0.25 * 200 games = 50 games
and 0.15 * 200 games = 30 games
The Devils traded roughly 80 expected games played for a potential star player they signed for two seasons (up to 164 regular season games).
No. That's not the ****ing stat... I included the link so you could read the model and understand how the data was gathered.
Instead, you took the numbers provided completely out of context and multiplied them together for reasons unknown.
Edit: The percentage is the number of players selected in the round that play 200+ NHL games. Just in case you fail to follow the link again and extrapolate even more incorrect data from your poor understanding of the figures presented.
The figures have nothing to do with expected games played. Other models crank out different percentages, because they use a lower games played threshold to establish their percentage - 50 GP is far less meaningful than 200 GP.
I disagree. Off the top of my head, in no particular order here are some 2nd/3rd rounders that you *might* have heard of...
Colton Parayko
Patrice Bergeron
Ryan O'Reilly
Nikita Kucherov
Brayden Point
Roman Josi
Alex Debrincat
PK Subban
James Neal
Duncan Keith
Plus god knows how many goalies. I'm sure if I looked it up, this list would be much longer just drawing from recent years, let alone going back further.
2nd/3rd rounders are projects that take a few years to get to the NHL, they're not insignificant players. St Louis doesn't win a cup without theirs. Arguably neither do Boston or Chicago, or at least they don't make multiple finals in the past decade.
If your goal is to improve right away, sure trading 2nds & 3rds is great, but there are plenty of quality guys those picks could take - the results won't show until closer to 2025 or so in impact roles.
I think the statistics are that
40% of 1st round picks
25% of 2nd round picks
15% of 3rd round picks
Under 10% of later picks
Will have NHL careers of over 200 games played. How Many Draft Picks Make It to the NHL?
I think it was a pretty good trade.
So 0.25 * 200 games = 50 games
and 0.15 * 200 games = 30 games
The Devils traded roughly 80 expected games played for a potential star player they signed for two seasons (up to 164 regular season games).