Vezina Trophy Tournament (1992-Present) Final Matchup: 2015 Carey Price vs 1999 Hasek

Which Vezina Trophy Winner Had the Better Season?


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League average save percentage in:

2014-15: .915 (Price +.18)
1998-99: .908 (Hasek + .29!)

Price had a great year, but I think it’s overrated due to league average save percentage being the highest since the 60’s). His GSAA was under 40 while Hasek’s was over 50.

The real final was Hasek 98 vs Hasek 99.
 
This one is really close to me. I would have voted Hasek 98#1 (surprised 99 beat it out).

I wonder if people are voting Hasek just because it's Hasek, and it means he has to be better. I think the seasons are quite close.
 
Why were the Vezina votes so split back then? I find it odd considering Hasek's stats. Joseph had more 1st place votes and Dafoe had as many as Hasek,

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Why were the Vezina votes so split back then? I find it odd considering Hasek's stats. Joseph had more 1st place votes and Dafoe had as many as Hasek,

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I think it was mostly due to voter fatigue mixed with new storylines and perhaps some voters thinking they would shift their higher Vezina vote for Hasek over to just the Hart.

Hasek already did the borderline impossible by winning the Hart and Pearson the previous two years, so even though he was even better, he was not only competing against the field, but his own elite standards and the perception of, “yeah but we’ve seen this already the past couple of years.”

We see it a lot in sports. The NBA leaps to mind with players like Jokic and Nash missing out on three straight MVPs, despite outperforming their prior two. With a position specific award like the Vezina, perhaps voters wanted to spread the wealth a little more, thinking Hasek would win no matter what, as he ended up doing.

We should also consider that Dafoe played especially well down the stretch for the Bruins and helped propel them into the playoffs. Maybe out-dueling Hasek in the final game of the season to win in OT to avoid the 103 point Senators in the first round made a voter or two extra enthusiastic.

While there were a number of other reasons Toronto made a big jump in the standings, Cujo was the main reason why. 1998-1999 was his first season with them. His numbers don’t exactly scream Vezina runner-up, but that’s where perception can come into play.
 
I think it was mostly due to voter fatigue mixed with new storylines and perhaps some voters thinking they would shift their higher Vezina vote for Hasek over to just the Hart.

Hasek already did the borderline impossible by winning the Hart and Pearson the previous two years, so even though he was even better, he was not only competing against the field, but his own elite standards and the perception of, “yeah but we’ve seen this already the past couple of years.”

We see it a lot in sports. The NBA leaps to mind with players like Jokic and Nash missing out on three straight MVPs, despite outperforming their prior two. With a position specific award like the Vezina, perhaps voters wanted to spread the wealth a little more, thinking Hasek would win no matter what, as he ended up doing.

We should also consider that Dafoe played especially well down the stretch for the Bruins and helped propel them into the playoffs. Maybe out-dueling Hasek in the final game of the season to win in OT to avoid the 103 point Senators in the first round made a voter or two extra enthusiastic.

While there were a number of other reasons Toronto made a big jump in the standings, Cujo was the main reason why. 1998-1999 was his first season with them. His numbers don’t exactly scream Vezina runner-up, but that’s where perception can come into play.
I agree with this (there was voter fatigue in 1999), but it's not the entire story.

Hasek missed an entire month of the regular season due to an injury (I think it was a groin injury, but I'm not positive). The Sabres did just fine without him (they had a 56.4% win percentage up to February 17th, and a 52.2% win percentage from Feb 18th to March 18th). Before someone suggests that the Sabres' offense may have stepped up, the opposite was true - they actually scored fewer goals per game during the period when Hasek was injured (2.42 goals per game compared to 2.69 GPG before).

Plus, Jagr had a historically great year (127 points on a terrible team during a very low-scoring season). Adjusted for the scoring environment, it's not far off McDavid's 2023 campaign. (I'd rank it roughly on par with Sakic in 2001, and Ovechkin in 2008). No forward had an all-time great season in 1997 or 1998. This wouldn't have affected the Vezina of course, but it probably explains why he got so many fewer first place voters for the Hart (50/54 in 1997, 43/54 in 1998, then just 4/56 in 1999 - Jagr received 51).

Ultimately, on a per-game basis, Hasek was probably at his absolute peak in 1999. But he did worse in Hart and Vezina voting due to three factors - voter fatigue, the Sabres doing fine while he missed a full month, and Jagr having a historically great season.
 
I think it was mostly due to voter fatigue mixed with new storylines and perhaps some voters thinking they would shift their higher Vezina vote for Hasek over to just the Hart.

Hasek already did the borderline impossible by winning the Hart and Pearson the previous two years, so even though he was even better, he was not only competing against the field, but his own elite standards and the perception of, “yeah but we’ve seen this already the past couple of years.”

We see it a lot in sports. The NBA leaps to mind with players like Jokic and Nash missing out on three straight MVPs, despite outperforming their prior two. With a position specific award like the Vezina, perhaps voters wanted to spread the wealth a little more, thinking Hasek would win no matter what, as he ended up doing.

We should also consider that Dafoe played especially well down the stretch for the Bruins and helped propel them into the playoffs. Maybe out-dueling Hasek in the final game of the season to win in OT to avoid the 103 point Senators in the first round made a voter or two extra enthusiastic.

While there were a number of other reasons Toronto made a big jump in the standings, Cujo was the main reason why. 1998-1999 was his first season with them. His numbers don’t exactly scream Vezina runner-up, but that’s where perception can come into play.
The nuance to mention here is that different people vote for the Hart and Vezina, so I’m not sure there could be vote shifting in that way. However, there must have been fatigue after Hasek led the league in save percentage for the sixth straight season.

The All Star vote gives a more reasonable picture and it was 1) Hasek 2) Dafoe. CuJo was 4th and although stats don’t tell the whole story, a GM would never vote for a guy with a (.910, 2.56) ahead of a guy with a (.937, 1.87) today.

Either way, Hasek’s 99, 98, 97 and even earlier seasons like 94 were worthy of being considered the best Vezina campaign.
 
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