Player Discussion: Vesalainen Thread

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yes, and then Maurice opted to not play Enstrom in some playoff games. Ugh.

The 2017 draft looks pretty terrible for the Jets...well, at this point. Let's hope Samberg is a legit above average 2nd pairing d-man and Ves can turn into a respectable 3rd line player. The rest of players from that draft may not be more than press box fodder/career AHLers/emergency call-ups. We are coming up the draft +6 year with this group.

It was one PO game, the last one. We were being unable to score any goals in that series. He was trying to do something (anything) to get some scoring going. something Enstrom wasn't helping with at that time.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Our defence today would be much better with Toby and Buff

Nope. They are both 37 years old and kind of beat up.
The Toby and Buff of 5 years ago, sure. (actually assume that is what you mean. )

 

[TS Quint]

These "fake stats" are tracked by the NHL too.

#1 Enstrom, #2 Joe Morrow.... Dustin Byfuglien #4. I don't think these numbers are proving much. If the stats dont lead to the results they aren't very good at anything but finding your preconceived notions.

Looks like I've gotten this thread off track. Apologies. If there is an Enstrom thread. I'd be happy to read more there.

Back on topic.....Ves sucks, don't know when the last time he was a good player on ANY team but it's been a while. If he is in the line up next year I consider it a failure of Chevy finding an actual NHL player for our bottom 6.

 

[snowkiddin]

Not sure what’s more concerning at this point, that he had three points in 50+ games in the NHL or that he’s not doing much better in the AHL - only two points in 13 games? Not acceptable.

Probably goes to Liiga next year, I guess.

 

[sipowicz]

Not sure what’s more concerning at this point, that he had three points in 50+ games in the NHL or that he’s not doing much better in the AHL - only two points in 13 games? Not acceptable.

Probably goes to Liiga next year, I guess.

What’s even more troubling is that the Jets kept playing him even though he clearly wasn’t an NHL level player, either bad coaching decision or forced to play him because of a bad management decision or both!

 

[Guffman]

Let’s remember that Enstrom had to be protected for the expansion draft but he waived that so the Jets could go 7-3-1. What I am not certain about is whether the Jets made any representations to him that they would try to protect him via a deal with Vegas.

If Enstrom didn’t waive, the Jets would have lost a forward… probably Armia if I recall correctly.

The Jets really were all in that year and we did have the most successful Jets season ever. We paid a future cost to maximize that year.

 

[TS Quint]

What’s even more troubling is that the Jets kept playing him even though he clearly wasn’t an NHL level player, either bad coaching decision or forced to play him because of a bad management decision or both!

Not a ton of choices. If it means more Reichel, Poganski, Eyssimont, Brooks, Suess, Nash I guess you keep rolling your former 1st rounder out until he's dead to the organization. There's not much of an upgrade available.

Why not Gus? Who flipping knows.

 

[DRW204]

Kristian Vesalainen Signs In SHL

Jets winger Kristian Vesalainen is expected to soon sign with Malmo of the SHL.

www.prohockeyrumors.com

Cites this as a source

Avslöjar: Malmö Redhawks värvar Kristian Vesalainen

Malmö förstärker truppen med tilltänkt spetskompetens. Tidigare Frölundajunioren Kristian Vesalainen, ska enligt SportExpressens uppgifter vara överens med Skåneklubben om ett kontrakt. – En spelare jag har koll på, säger sportchefen Björn Liljander.

www.expressen.se

 

[sipowicz]

Kristian Vesalainen Signs In SHL

Jets winger Kristian Vesalainen is expected to soon sign with Malmo of the SHL.

www.prohockeyrumors.com

Cites this as a source

Avslöjar: Malmö Redhawks värvar Kristian Vesalainen

Malmö förstärker truppen med tilltänkt spetskompetens. Tidigare Frölundajunioren Kristian Vesalainen, ska enligt SportExpressens uppgifter vara överens med Skåneklubben om ett kontrakt. – En spelare jag har koll på, säger sportchefen Björn Liljander.

www.expressen.se

Good riddance!

 

[BatVader]

Good riddance!

Jets killed any trade value he had by over playing him when he wasn’t working out, so he’s better off in Europe where he can try to get his game back together. Honestly, Ive been at a loss as to what we’d do with him Moving forward. This is the best option for everyone

 

[DRW204]

Jets killed any trade value he had by over playing him when he wasn’t working out, so he’s better off in Europe where he can try to get his game back together. Honestly, Ive been at a loss as to what we’d do with him Moving forward. This is the best option for everyone

Jets needed to see what they have him in him. he has not looked good, a v large % of it is on him, however i will say i think playing with a better play-making C could tell us a different story. but, i wouldn't play him over any winger in our top-6, where more of our playmaking Centers reside. on the other hand, sometimes it's better to deal a prospect prior to the public knowing he's potentially a bust while they still have some sort of name-value.

 

[ps241]

On the plus side I think KVes worked his ass off and followed the plan the org had laid out for him and that caught me by surprise. On The minus side its never come together for him. I am wondering if he just doesn’t processes the game fast enough? The skills he had at a younger age haven’t translated to the NHL. In fairness if you look at his draft the cluster of guys drafted in his zip code have also struggled for the most part.

 

[Upperdeckjet]

I'm guessing the Jets will still hold his rights for a number of years. At this point, all we can hope is that he finds his game, throws up some points and gives the Jets a trade piece with some value.

Time to move on for both sides.

 

[bustamente]

Really pulled for him but he was a major disappointment, maybe he works it out in Europe

 

[Neuf]

I for one am shocked that a player that went back to the KHL has regressed. Shocked.

Had a bad feeling since he left NA

 

[DannyGallivan]

Bye.

 

[Romang67]

Cautionary tale about high PP production vs 5v5 player, IMO.

 

[TS Quint]

Jets needed to see what they have him in him. he has not looked good, a v large % of it is on him, however i will say i think playing with a better play-making C could tell us a different story. but, i wouldn't play him over any winger in our top-6, where more of our playmaking Centers reside. on the other hand, sometimes it's better to deal a prospect prior to the public knowing he's potentially a bust while they still have some sort of name-value.

Pretty obvious he sucks, there was no trade value to begin with. When was the last time he was a much better than average in any league he has been in? He fell like a rock in his draft year on. Putting him in a top 6 on any NHL team isn’t even a discussion. He would have to play his way into a top 6 on the Moose if it wasn’t for his draft position.

 

[TS Quint]

On the plus side I think KVes worked his ass off and followed the plan the org had laid out for him and that caught me by surprise. On The minus side its never come together for him. I am wondering if he just doesn’t processes the game fast enough? The skills he had at a younger age haven’t translated to the NHL. In fairness if you look at his draft the cluster of guys drafted in his zip code have also struggled for the most part.

Followed the plan of the org? Highly doubtful. To begin with I seriously doubt the Jets wanted him to play in the KHL in 18/19. Or to play in 3 different leagues.

For a guy who seemed to have zero progression I dont know how you can be sure he worked his ass off either. He’s slow, and thinks slow. Apparently he has a great shot but he was never in the play so we will probably never know.

 

[Thechozen1]

You’d think maybe any of the cellar teams like Montreal, ASU, Seattle or even Philadelphia could take him on as a reclamation project for like a 3rd or 4th round pick.

Does he have an out clause if dealt and the acquiring team wants him in their system?

 

[ps241]

Followed the plan of the org? Highly doubtful. To begin with I seriously doubt the Jets wanted him to play in the KHL in 18/19. Or to play in 3 different leagues.

For a guy who seemed to have zero progression I dont know how you can be sure he worked his ass off either. He’s slow, and thinks slow. Apparently he has a great shot but he was never in the play so we will probably never know.

In 18-19 he was in his draft plus 2 season and he split time between the KHL and the Moose which are both good leagues. I do think he worked hard to learn the defensive side of the game the problem is the offense has never developed. He had a half season with the Moose when he was 19 which is young for the AHL and a full 60 games with the Moose when he was 20. They had him early enough and for long enough IMO.

I appreciate he listened to Vincent and worked to round out his game which is more than I can say for some other Jets. Too bad we drafted a kid who appears to have a low hockey IQ. You win some and you lose some.

 

[Boonk]

In 18-19 he was in his draft plus 2 season and he split time between the KHL and the Moose which are both good leagues. I do think he worked hard to learn the defensive side of the game the problem is the offense has never developed. He had a half season with the Moose when he was 19 which is young for the AHL and a full 60 games with the Moose when he was 20. They had him early enough and for long enough IMO.

I appreciate he listened to Vincent and worked to round out his game which is more than I can say for some other Jets. Too bad we drafted a kid who appears to have a low hockey IQ. You win some and you lose some.

It hurts tho, because guys like Robertson, Batherson, Swayman, Jokiharju and Oettinger were still on the board. We gave up the pick that turned into Suzuki ffs lol.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

It hurts tho, because guys like Robertson, Batherson, Swayman, Jokiharju and Oettinger were still on the board. We gave up the pick that turned into Suzuki ffs lol.

Yes it hurts. We can't afford first rd busts. A little disappointing we could take, if we had to.

 

[ps241]

It hurts tho, because guys like Robertson, Batherson, Swayman, Jokiharju and Oettinger were still on the board. We gave up the pick that turned into Suzuki ffs lol.

I hate that we had a swing and a miss. The Suzuki part is tough who knows if we would have drafted him or Liljegren but yea it would have been better than Ves. He is our first outright failure in the 1st round although Roslo and Stanley have had next to no impact on the Jets either. Roslo has at least found a home on a team in the NHL and Stan might still work one day but he is currently a dime a dozen type bottom pairing guy.

Having these three first round draft slots not work out for the Jets at least is contributing to our challenges.

 

[macmaroon]

You’d think maybe any of the cellar teams like Montreal, ASU, Seattle or even Philadelphia could take him on as a reclamation project for like a 3rd or 4th round pick.

Does he have an out clause if dealt and the acquiring team wants him in their system?

That's funny