Post-Game Talk: #VegasStronger - Golden Knights 3, Jets 2 (OT)

[CaptainChef]

Do people realize that in OT it is not always easy for players to change, especially D.

Have you never watched to see how it happens that Buff & Wheels are so often getting stranded? Everyone else is responsible enough to realize that its the appropriate time to come off the ice they do. Those two too frequently put themselves above those limitations. Its not that they are too slow or too important to make a change when everyone else has, too often they simply CHOOSE to stay out there until they're way too beat to make a hasty retreat. For a C & main A to do this repeatedly is inexcusable; for coaches to continue to utilize them in those situations is equally so.

 

[surixon]

I don't blame Buff for not getting off on the first shift. I do however think Maurice could improve at managing his bench in OT. He seems rigid in rolling through lines no matter the circumtances. Given Buff and Wheelers age and the fact that they where out for an extended shift he should know by now that they need longer to recharge. Given that the other two combinations had short shifts he should have opted to put one of them out instead of going back to Wheeler and Buff imo. That way it would allow them some more time to recharge and you still have them as an option for the last minute of OT if needed.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

So yeah don't worry, I sleep well already.

I am happy about this.

Do you think that Buf is responsible in terms of his ice time in OT? Do you think that he is our best D option for the 3v3 OT? Do you think we should even use a D in 3v3 OT?

 

[Aavco Cup]

Wasn't exaggerating, was estimating. I half heartedly looked for the information last night and wasn't able to find it. In any case though long OT shifts are a recurring theme with Buff that should be addressed. I know he wants to be "the guy" but he's hurting the team in my opinion.

Perhaps it is but I don't think last night is one of those times TBH. He was heading to change at one point but the puck got turned over, he circled back and he chose to defend rather than leave a 2 on 1 for the Knights. I could only imagine the outrage on here if he had continued with the change.

I still don't know how he "chose" to be on the ice for his second shift. I didn't like the way you phrased your post suggestin he stayed on the ice for 3 minutes

 

[Gm0ney]

Jets OT record this season is 1-7-4 (2-2 in the 4 that made it to shootout). That's garbage for a team with this much talent and with the goaltending the Jets have been getting.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Have you never watched to see how it happens that Buff & Wheels are so often getting stranded? Everyone else is responsible enough to realize that its the appropriate time to come off the ice they do. Those two too frequently put themselves above those limitations. Its not that they are too slow or too important to make a change when everyone else has, too often they simply CHOOSE to stay out there until they're way too beat to make a hasty retreat. For a C & main A to do this repeatedly is inexcusable; for coaches to continue to utilize them in those situations is equally so.

I have watched every minute of every game.

I did not see things this way. I did not see either player "choose" to play a long shift in last nights game.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Jets OT record this season is 1-7-4 (2-2 in the 4 that made it to shootout). That's garbage for a team with this much talent and with the goaltending the Jets have been getting.

It's unlucky

 

[sipowicz]

It's unlucky

Nah, it's more than badluck, 3 v 3 is like the flip of a coin the team that starts with possession has a big advantage, a lot of teams looked like they had set plays for 3 v 3, the Jets don't aside for the win when Buff drove around the net and set up little in the slot, except it was more of a defensive breakdown by the other team really.

 

[Atoyot]

Perhaps it is but I don't think last night is one of those times TBH. He was heading to change at one point but the puck got turned over, he circled back and he chose to defend rather than leave a 2 on 1 for the Knights. I could only imagine the outrage on here if he had continued with the change.

I still don't know how he "chose" to be on the ice for his second shift. I didn't like the way you phrased your post suggestin he stayed on the ice for 3 minutes

Fair enough, rereading it it definitely reads like I'm saying he stayed out for 3 minutes straight, though it wasn't my intention.

As for it being his choice, after a shift like he had with a very short break the coach usually asks if you're good to go. In any case doesn't really matter. Love Buff just don't understand the coach's decision to play him so much in OT.

 

[Aavco Cup]

3v3 GF-GA

2017-18
Wheeler 0-1
Byfuglien 1-3
Little 1-2
Ehlers 1-2
Laine 0-3
Myers 0-2
Connor 0-1
Perreault 0-1

2016-17
Byfuglien 3-1
Wheeler 2-2
Scheifele 2-1
Laine 2-1
Little 1-0
Ehlers 1-1
Perreault 0-2
Trouba 0-2
Enstrom 1-1
Burmistrov 1-0
Armia 0-1

Random randomness

BSSS (beware small sample size)

 

[Howard Chuck]

Score more often

Fair enough

 

[CaptainChef]

I think Morrissey missing a wide open net cost us points last night

and so this absolves Buff for his irresponsible behaviour then............

 

[Garbox]

Oh man frustrating game. I thought overall the Jets were better however. We should have been up 3-2 or 3-1 at the end of regulation. I don't think we stole a point at all.

Fleury is really good on the PK. He has the cojones to challenge the shooters beautifully.

First line had a really strong first period. That shift with 2min of constant pressure with a Laine bomb from the slot transitioning to a smooth line change was really cool. Then it looked like they completely lost respect for the opponent or something. Maurice should have slammed Wheeler's and Laine's heads together after that shorty. Really bad two periods from Wheels and Laine, but in the grand scheme of things we have to remember that players have off-games.

Vegas is so tenacious as a team. You can just see that they don't let up, at all.

This has to be the funniest PGT I've ever read. Oh man a good laugh feels good.

Oh, and Buff is electin to take low-% shots again on the PP when the other option is a Laine one-timer. When you are down a goal that kind of stuff is not needed. I wish the coaching staff would fix that.

Few posters have said that Laine screwed up on that shortie, but am I missing something here? I didn't see the game, only highlight from Don't tell me the score, but I watched that goal multiple times because of those opinions and didn't see Laine doing anything wrong on that one. He was on his spot on in the left boards waiting for Buff to get the puck to O zone (or someone else), but Buff lost control and Vegas cleared the puck. Wheeler caught it and others were coming down to make what seemed like a set play for breakout. Wheeler chose not to go all the way down behind their own goal, but start the breakout. At that point he had a chance to pass to Laine, who was heading in to their end. It would have been a bit risky pass though, 'cause Wheels didn't have full awareness of where the opposing players were. The other option was to try passing up his boards where Connor(?) was. This of course would've had it's risks also. So he started to turn around and saw Vegas player coming in. Instead of continuing towards boards or his own end he decided to try to deke and came to stall doing it. Got checked and we know the rest.
So I don't know who to blame, Wheeler made a bad choice, but they were all playing about exactly how they were supposed to (at least that's how it seemed). I'd bet they have still done that exact same situation many times before and Wheeler (or whoever got the puck) has made the breakout pass from there. I'm just saying that the least to blame is Laine (or Roslo or Connor).

And that second goal from Vegas... Neal should be a lumberjack or something. There's no way he was trying to play the puck on that one. No matter if he hit Helle's head (which he did) or just upper body, that's at least a goalie interference, I'd say a slashing.

Always nice to see Finns playing well in the NHL, and even better when they're "Porians", but I would've been fine with Haula not scoring in this one.

 

[Aavco Cup]

and so this absolves Buff for his irresponsible behaviour then............

You call it irresponsible behaviour. I don't agree. i suspect the coaching staff doesn't agre with you either

 

[Aavco Cup]

Few posters have said that Laine screwed up on that shortie, but am I missing something here? I didn't see the game, only highlight from Don't tell me the score, but I watched that goal multiple times because of those opinions and didn't see Laine doing anything wrong on that one. He was on his spot on in the left boards waiting for Buff to get the puck to O zone (or someone else), but Buff lost control and Vegas cleared the puck. Wheeler caught it and others were coming down to make what seemed like a set play for breakout. Wheeler chose not to go all the way down behind their own goal, but start the breakout. At that point he had a chance to pass to Laine, who was heading in to their end. It would have been a bit risky pass though, 'cause Wheels didn't have full awareness of where the opposing players were. The other option was to try passing up his boards where Connor(?) was. This of course would've had it's risks also. So he started to turn around and saw Vegas player coming in. Instead of continuing towards boards or his own end he decided to try to deke and came to stall doing it. Got checked and we know the rest.
So I don't know who to blame, Wheeler made a bad choice, but they were all playing about exactly how they were supposed to (at least that's how it seemed). I'd bet they have still done that exact same situation many times before and Wheeler (or whoever got the puck) has made the breakout pass from there. I'm just saying that the least to blame is Laine (or Roslo or Connor).

And that second goal from Vegas... Neal should be a lumberjack or something. There's no way he was trying to play the puck on that one. No matter if he hit Helle's head (which he did) or just upper body, that's at least a goalie interference, I'd say a slashing.

Always nice to see Finn's playing well in the NHL, and even better when they're "Porians", but I would've been fine with Haula not scoring in this one.

All six players on the ice for that PP deserve shame on that goal. That was one of the worst PP displays I've ever seen in the 2.0 era

 

[Howard Chuck]

All six players on the ice for that PP deserve shame on that goal. That was one of the worst PP displays I've ever seen in the 2.0 era

I agree

 

[Maukkis]

Few posters have said that Laine screwed up on that shortie, but am I missing something here? I didn't see the game, only highlight from Don't tell me the score, but I watched that goal multiple times because of those opinions and didn't see Laine doing anything wrong on that one. He was on his spot on in the left boards waiting for Buff to get the puck to O zone (or someone else), but Buff lost control and Vegas cleared the puck. Wheeler caught it and others were coming down to make what seemed like a set play for breakout. Wheeler chose not to go all the way down behind their own goal, but start the breakout. At that point he had a chance to pass to Laine, who was heading in to their end. It would have been a bit risky pass though, 'cause Wheels didn't have full awareness of where the opposing players were. The other option was to try passing up his boards where Connor(?) was. This of course would've had it's risks also. So he started to turn around and saw Vegas player coming in. Instead of continuing towards boards or his own end he decided to try to deke and came to stall doing it. Got checked and we know the rest.
So I don't know who to blame, Wheeler made a bad choice, but they were all playing about exactly how they were supposed to (at least that's how it seemed). I'd bet they have still done that exact same situation many times before and Wheeler (or whoever got the puck) has made the breakout pass from there. I'm just saying that the least to blame is Laine (or Roslo or Connor).

And that second goal from Vegas... Neal should be a lumberjack or something. There's no way he was trying to play the puck on that one. No matter if he hit Helle's head (which he did) or just upper body, that's at least a goalie interference, I'd say a slashing.

Always nice to see Finns playing well in the NHL, and even better when they're "Porians", but I would've been fine with Haula not scoring in this one.

Laine was the one who initially turned the puck over after it was cleared to our zone. While it did not directly lead to a goal, it was still a horrific turnover in the defensive zone.

I'll say it again - the whole unit deserves blame for that atrocity.

 

[Garbox]

All six players on the ice for that PP deserve shame on that goal. That was one of the worst PP displays I've ever seen in the 2.0 era

As I said I didn't see the game, only the highlights, but somehow I can believe that the whole PP was garbage, this kinda blunts often come after poor plays prior them. But about that final play that led to that shortie, I think that other players were just reacting on Wheeler's play as they were taught. Had Wheeler continued behind their own goal, I don't see Laine and Roslo turning around for breakout but continue towards their own end also.

 

[Gm0ney]

Anyone have the fancy stats? Did we win the Corsi wars?

The Jets did, in fact, win the 5v5 adjCorsi (52.87) and xGF (53.87) last night.

I couldn't find xGF from last year's games, so I just used Corsica's adjCorsi to track the Jets Corsi performance since the beginning of the 2016-17 season.

This season starts at Game 83. Last night was game 134 (the labels only show the odd numbered games - but it's in the chart, I promise).

 

[Garbox]

Laine was the one who initially turned the puck over after it was cleared to our zone. While it did not directly lead to a goal, it was still a horrific turnover in the defensive zone.

I'll say it again - the whole unit deserves blame for that atrocity.

You must be talking about some other event, 'cause after Buff lost the puck, Laine didn't even touch it.

 

[Aavco Cup]

As I said I didn't see the game, only the highlights, but somehow I can believe that the whole PP was garbage, this kinda blunts often come after poor plays prior them. But about that final play that led to that shortie, I think that other players were just reacting on Wheeler's play as they were taught. Had Wheeler continued behind their own goal, I don't see Laine and Roslo turning around for breakout but continue towards their own end also.

Believe me every player was awful at some point

 

[Board Bard]

You call it irresponsible behaviour. I don't agree. i suspect the coaching staff doesn't agre with you either

All that does is identify the coaching staff as irresponsible.

 

[Maukkis]

You must be talking about some other event, 'cause after Buff lost the puck, Laine didn't even touch it.

"the one who initially turned the puck over after it was cleared to our zone"
The PP started with Vegas winning the faceoff in their end, and they cleared the puck. Laine retrieves the puck, and proceeds to hand-gift it to the forechecker. It was the first of many turnovers on that play.

 

[Garbox]

"the one who initially turned the puck over after it was cleared to our zone"
The PP started with Vegas winning the faceoff in their end, and they cleared the puck. Laine retrieves the puck, and proceeds to hand-gift it to the forechecker. It was the first of many turnovers on that play.

Ok, this is exactly what wasn't in those highlights. Some other situation was (in the 3rd I think), where Laine was totally undressed in his own blueline causing a breakaway.
So they were all bad on (that) PP, but that shortie wasn't on Laine, Roslo or Connor (it can be debated if Buff gets some blame for losing the puck, but even after that they gained control and could've kept it). I know that sometimes you can point out some goal starting from some specific error earlier, but in this case, not in my opinion. BUT it doesn't mean they played well otherwise.

 

[grieves]

All six players on the ice for that PP deserve shame on that goal. That was one of the worst PP displays I've ever seen in the 2.0 era

Yup, this. My initial thought was that they lost respect for the opponent after a really strong first period. Can't do that against Vegas. That team is ready to pounce on anything you give them.

It doesn't really matter who ends up making the "final mistake" in a game with this much variance.

The earlier PP was a complete contrast to that one. Basically almost 100% o-zone possession.